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How you win in IR Casino ?

sg4dlive

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How you win in IR Casino ? Share your strategy, money management, emotion control plus what game you play. Hope it helps all who need experts guidance with this thread ! Please contribute your experience and maybe we have a good winning formula to focus on. Many thanks.
 

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Basic things I do before entering casinos:

(1) Good sleep & good rest the previous night. Don't go in casinos when you feel tired from work.

(2) Good bath - feel flesh

(3) Bring in a strong capital for a kill - no point bringing a couple hundred dollars there.
If your capital is low & weak, the chances is likely you will lose.

(4) Look for a table with less gamblers & be patient.

(5) If you are in a winning flow carry on betting, if not don't bet every hand change tables if necessary.
 
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sg4dlive

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I personally like to go alone with clear mind and that's important where you have good sleep and bring fresh "mind" with you !

When you said "Strong Capital", how much you will bring and for each bet, what is the amount you play ?



Basic things I do before entering casinos:

(1) Good sleep & good rest the previous night. Don't go in casinos when you feel tired from work.

(2) Good bath - feel flesh

(3) Bring in a strong capital for a kill - no point bringing a couple hundred dollars there.
If your capital is low & weak, the chances is likely you will lose.

(4) Look for a table with less gamblers & be patient.

(5) If you are in a winning flow carry on betting, if not don't bet every hand change tables if necessary.
 

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I personally like to go alone with clear mind and that's important where you have good sleep and bring fresh "mind" with you !

When you said "Strong Capital", how much you will bring and for each bet, what is the amount you play ?

For example, if you decide to bring $2,000 cash to casino then change the all cash into chips immediately rather than change $500 first if lose then change $500 later. Personally I think this is an unlucky way of gambling.

Normally I play in Baccarat tables with min $100 or $200.

Strong Capital would mean an amount of money that you bring in & feel that you are in the casino for a fight or a kill.
The higher your confidence level the better your winning chances. So results will be bright for you :biggrin:

If only bring a couple hundred of dollars and play like scare to lose mentality.
It is likely that you lose the couple hundred of dollars and keep going to ATM again & again :(
 

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You can enforce discipline by

1) Decide how much you want to gamble (e.g. $5000)

2) Upon entering the casino, change the entire amount into nn chips. This will allow you to max out on discounts (e.g. 1% extra) and freebies (food vouchers, hotel rooms etc).

3) Play at your table game using ONLY nn chips.

4) When the nn chips run out, exchange your cash chips and GO HOME.

This simple system will ensure that you do not over gamble when your luck is down in hope that you can recover your losses.

If your luck is good, the nn chips will not be depleted so you stay longer and gamble more to make the most of your good luck.
 

sg4dlive

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What do you mean by nn chips ? This is applicable in RSW and MBS if I exchange 5000 on any table ?


You can enforce discipline by

1) Decide how much you want to gamble (e.g. $5000)

2) Upon entering the casino, change the entire amount into nn chips. This will allow you to max out on discounts (e.g. 1% extra) and freebies (food vouchers, hotel rooms etc).

3) Play at your table game using ONLY nn chips.

4) When the nn chips run out, exchange your cash chips and GO HOME.

This simple system will ensure that you do not over gamble when your luck is down in hope that you can recover your losses.

If your luck is good, the nn chips will not be depleted so you stay longer and gamble more to make the most of your good luck.
 

aurvandil

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What do you mean by nn chips ? This is applicable in RSW and MBS if I exchange 5000 on any table ?

NN chips refer to non-negotiable gambling chips.
This means that after you change them, you can only use them to gamble.
You cannot change them back to cash.

Mature casinos will usually give you good packages if you buy nn chips.
As an example, the Long Jie gambling ship will give you 1% extra (i.e. buy $100, get $101). Also if you buy large amounts, they will give you freebies along with the chips.

http://www.soonsoon.com/index.php?page=services

Genting Malaysia also has nn chip deals. The best deal is usually during the gala nights held during the low season. By changing just RM3,000 you get a holiday package for 2 worth about $500. For more details, you can check out this url:

http://www.rwgenting.com/en/casino/events/2010/2010_premium_pgm_vivanight.htm

For the genting package, you need to be a Silver card member to get it. This is easy to get as anyone from Singapore with a platinium credit card will qualify.

For RWS and MBS, these currently do not have any nn package of note.
If you add in the $100 levy, this makes these 2 casinos really poor places to gamble.
 

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What happens then if for some reason or other, you have to stop gambling at that casino and would have no more use for those chips?
Is there any way you can encash them, even at a discount?
I'm thinking of a scenario where a gambler goes on a long winning streak, accumulates a lot of nn chips and for some reason, suddenly has to stop gambling at that casino.
 

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What happens then if for some reason or other, you have to stop gambling at that casino and would have no more use for those chips?
Is there any way you can encash them, even at a discount?
I'm thinking of a scenario where a gambler goes on a long winning streak, accumulates a lot of nn chips and for some reason, suddenly has to stop gambling at that casino.

When you win, you get paid in cash chips. The idea is to keep all cash chips you win and use only nn chips which you bought at a discount.

Also in all things, it is a good idea to know the pace and speed you use chips.

For example, if you are playing no comission baccarat, the average number of hands you can play in 1 hour is an amazing 250 in Vegas. Assuming a more modest pace of 125 an hour, this translates to you betting $12.5k in 1 hour if you are playing $100 per hand and every single hand the dealer deals.

A ratio to change is 1/3 of the time you want to play. This means that if you intend to play for 6 hours, you should be changing a mind blowing 2x$12.5k = $25k in chips.

Depending on your luck, it should take you 3 to 6 hours to deplete all the nn chips.

You than convert the cash chips to cash and tally up how much you have won/lost for the night.
 

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What happens then if for some reason or other, you have to stop gambling at that casino and would have no more use for those chips?
Is there any way you can encash them, even at a discount?
I'm thinking of a scenario where a gambler goes on a long winning streak, accumulates a lot of nn chips and for some reason, suddenly has to stop gambling at that casino.

Why do casinos like giving nn chips?
Because they want you to GAMBLE more.

These chips will not be accepted by cage cashier, only tables. So in order to get cash chips, you have to bet with these nn chips and win, you get cash chips, but they will not exchange your nn chips into cash chips.
So probably once you got rid of all your nn chips, you see your cash chips you know where you stand. Casinos play on this psychology to want people to bet more. 99.99% of those who have nn chips will play until they finish their nn chips.

You can encash them with other gamblers who will buy from you at a discount.
 

aurvandil

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For example, if you are playing no comission baccarat, the average number of hands you can play in 1 hour is an amazing 250 in Vegas. Assuming a more modest pace of 125 an hour, this translates to you betting $12.5k in 1 hour if you are playing $100 per hand and every single hand the dealer deals.

Got a querry on where I got the number of hands per hour from. You can check out this article which gives a good summary of the hands per hour based on play in Vegas.

http://grochowski.casinocitytimes.com/article/time-is-money-in-the-casino-part-1-24291
 

sg4dlive

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Any other winning strategy for Roulette, barcarrat and BlackJack ?

Sometime What I did for Roulette is to bet on 2nd 12 and 3rd 12 together, chances of hitting is higher...I play using such tactic when I enter Casino or leaving Casino but play less then 10 round.. Chances of winning some money is higher...but Somehow is just doesn't work if you continue playing...That's my experience..
 

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Any other winning strategy for Roulette, barcarrat and BlackJack ?

Sometime What I did for Roulette is to bet on 2nd 12 and 3rd 12 together, chances of hitting is higher...I play using such tactic when I enter Casino or leaving Casino but play less then 10 round.. Chances of winning some money is higher...but Somehow is just doesn't work if you continue playing...That's my experience..

In advantage play terms, you are exploiting the power of variance.

All casino games have a house edge. This means that if you play with them long term, you will 100% lose.

If however you only play 5 to 10 games, the variance makes this house edge meaningless.

A good way to explot this is as follows.

Suppose you buy the Genting gala package for RM 3088. You get RM 3000 in nn chips, free Highlands room (if you book early) and 8 course gala dinner.

Instead of sitting inside the casino all night and losing slowly, you split the nn chips into bets of RM 1,000 each.

You go to a crowded no comission b6 baccarat table. Betting player on no comission b6 baccarat has the best odds/variance payoff for the tabe games.

You stand at the table until you feel confident that Player will win.

You then bet RM 1,000 per bet.

If you win, you keep the cash chips.

If you lose, you play until you got no more nn chips. On average, you will play between 5 too 10 games before the nn chips are depleted.

You then walk away and enjoy the rest of your holiday at Genting.

This type of advantage play technique is called comp hustling. It is very difficult for the casino to detect but you should of course be discreet if you are doing it. Don't do stupid things like brag about it loudly at the table in front of the pit boss. For thiis reason, it is also not a good idea to do this at the comission baccarat tables as these are found only in the high limit section and casino security is a lot stricter.

If you get caught, they will quietly blacklist you and refuse to sell you any more packages. They will also cancel whatever Genting points you might have accumulated.
 
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sg4dlive

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Thanks for the info ! Since nn chips are not applicable in MBS and RWs at this moment, think best to focus on game strategy...

Any other type of winning strategy where you have higher percentage of winning few games and make some money for a certain type of game ? Ex. 2nd 12 plus 3rd 12..in Roulette..
 

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Thanks for the info ! Since nn chips are not applicable in MBS and RWs at this moment, think best to focus on game strategy...

Any other type of winning strategy where you have higher percentage of winning few games and make some money for a certain type of game ? Ex. 2nd 12 plus 3rd 12..in Roulette..

Play roulette ...bet by sectors give you a better chances of winning :p
 

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Can make money or not as you used the word "pray" ? Kindly of like tick kum..

Can, but you must be hardworking to observe dealers who spin the ball.

In genting, I was introduced to this uncle who has been a regular for 8 years and he can tell me off this dealer spin which sector. He can get it right at least 6-7 times out of 10. Of course, some of these dealers he has seen them in action for long periods already. This is also why, dealers often have to switch around tables and type of games.

Right now in local casinos, I don't think you can find such dealers because mostly are not experienced.
 
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