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HITLER: His Dark Charisma

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HITLER: His Dark Charisma.

Adolf Hitler was an unlikely leader but he still formed a connection with millions of German people, generating a level of charismatic attraction that was almost without parallel. It is a stark warning for the modern day, says historian Laurence Rees.

At the heart of the story of Adolf Hitler is one gigantic, mysterious question: how was it possible that a character as strange and personally inadequate as Hitler ever gained power in a sophisticated country at the heart of Europe, and was then loved by millions of people?

The answer to this vital question is to be found not just in the historical circumstances of the time - in particular the defeat of Germany in World War I and the depression of the early 1930s - but in the nature of Hitler's leadership.

It's this aspect of the story that makes this history particularly relevant to our lives today.

THE EARLY LIFE OF ADOLF HITLER

Hitler: From failed artist to dictator

Hitler was the archetypal "charismatic leader". He was not a "normal" politician - someone who promises policies like lower taxes and better health care - but a quasi-religious leader who offered almost spiritual goals of redemption and salvation. He was driven forward by a sense of personal destiny he called "providence".

Before WWI he was a nobody, an oddball who could not form intimate relationships, was unable to debate intellectually and was filled with hatred and prejudice.

But when Hitler spoke in the Munich beer halls in the aftermath of Germany's defeat in WWI, suddenly his weaknesses were perceived as strengths.

His hatred chimed with the feelings of thousands of Germans who felt humiliated by the terms of the Versailles treaty and sought a scapegoat for the loss of the war. His inability to debate was taken as strength of character and his refusal to make small talk was considered the mark of a "great man" who lived apart from the crowd.

More than anything, it was the fact that Hitler found that he could make a connection with his audience that was the basis of all his future success. And many called this connection "charisma".

"The man gave off such a charisma that people believed whatever he said," says Emil Klein, who heard Hitler speak in the 1920s.

But Hitler did not "hypnotise" his audience. Not everyone felt this charismatic connection, you had to be predisposed to believe what Hitler was saying to experience it. Many people who heard Hitler speak at this time thought he was an idiot.

"I immediately disliked him because of his scratchy voice," says Herbert Richter, a German veteran of WWI who encountered Hitler in Munich in the early 1920s.

"He shouted out really, really simple political ideas. I thought he wasn't quite normal."

In the good economic times, during the mid-to-late twenties in Germany, Hitler was thought charismatic by only a bunch of fanatics. So much so that in the 1928 election the Nazis polled only 2.6% of the vote.

Yet less than five years later Hitler was chancellor of Germany and leader of the most popular political party in the country.

What changed was the economic situation. In the wake of the Wall Street Crash of 1929 there was mass unemployment in Germany and banks crashed.

"The people were really hungry," says Jutta Ruediger, who started to support the Nazis around this time. "It was very, very hard. And in that context, Hitler with his statements seemed to be the bringer of salvation."

She looked at Hitler and suddenly felt a connection with him.

"I myself had the feeling that here was a man who did not think about himself and his own advantage, but solely about the good of the German people."

Hitler told millions of Germans that they were Aryans and therefore "special" and racially "better" people than everyone else, something that helped cement the charismatic connection between leader and led.

He did not hide his hatred, his contempt for democracy or his belief in the use of violence to further political ends from the electorate. But, crucially, he spoke out only against carefully defined enemies like Communists and Jews.

Since the majority of ordinary Germans were not in these groups, as long as they embraced the new world of Nazism, they were relatively free from persecution - at least until the war started to go badly for the Germans.

This history matters to us today. Not because history offers "lessons" - how can it since the past can never repeat itself exactly? But because history can contain warnings.

In an economic crisis millions of people suddenly decided to turn to an unconventional leader they thought had "charisma" because he connected with their fears, hopes and latent desire to blame others for their predicament. And the end result was disastrous for tens of millions of people.

It's bleakly ironic that German Chancellor Angela Merkel was greeted in Athens recently with swastika banners carried by angry Greeks protesting at what they see as German interference in their country.

Ironic because it is in Greece itself - amid terrible economic crisis - that we see the sudden rise of a political movement like the Golden Dawn that glories in its intolerance and desire to persecute minorities.

And it is led by a man who has claimed there were no gas chambers in Auschwitz. Can there be a bigger warning than that?


ABOUT ADOLF HITLER:

Hitler was born 20 April 1889 in Braunau-am-Inn
Left school at 16 with no qualifications and struggled to make a living as a painter in Vienna
Enlisted in the German army during WWI, where he was wounded and decorated
Joined the fascist German Workers' Party in 1919
By 1921 was the leader of what was now the Nazi Party
In the 1932 elections the Nazis became the largest party in the German parliament
Invasion of Poland in September 1939 began WWII
Committed suicide in Berlin on 30 April 1945
 

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Hitler was a profoundly lazy man who rarely got out of bed before midday, and preferred to leave affairs of state to sort themselves out. He subscribed fervently to the doctrine of survival of the fittest as applied to all social and political matters, and actively encouraged in-fighting among his subordinates. The result was an organisational vacuum at the centre of state, which super-ambitious ball-carriers were only too eager to fill, often acting on nothing more than the Fuhrer's off-the-cuff remarks.

One small example is revealing: after reading a letter from the father of a disabled child, Hitler agreed that it would be best for the boy to die. From this single statement arose a nationwide policy of euthanasia for all disabled children, carried out willingly and without compulsion by the doctors and "carers" themselves. It needed nothing more than the Fuhrer's nod.

The message is clear and shocking: it happened in Germany, it could happen anywhere.
 

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sound like 毛泽东 to me.

They all have one thing in common, they cause thousands of people to die, including their own, they have no regard let alone love for human lives, it's all about power or money or both.

They are good public speakers and once the masses subscribe to their bull shit, it is very powerful and usually follow by death. In a society where there are economic hardship, empty stomach and in justice, these are perfect ingredients for a dictator.

Greece is one example where it is easy for the next Hitler to rise.
Iceland on the other hand, did something different after their economic crumble, the majority of the people are smart enough to find a different solution.

In SG, it is impossible to have a Hitler, we don't have a single race, most of our stomach are always full, our worries are HDB and COE prices. LKY did use fear and Bogeyman to galvanise his support, it worked in the 60s but to the youth of today who like to flip middle finger and post it on line, fear is something that is outdated, wealth is use instead, with your 1/2 million dollars pigeon hole, no one dare to rock the boat. At least this is better then worry about being send to the gas chamber because you are a liability to society.
 

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If you google on Hitler, you may find he makes quotes that were most normal and exemplary, yet he turns out bad. So, you can't tell by the mustache if the guy is good or bad.
 

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If one read from main stream media then hitler is a real tyrant.
There is another alternative view of hitler (check out David Irving) and you can see that he was actually well respected even by many statesman. They hid a lot of good stuff of this man.
The Arabs have a legion fighting for Hitler in the Middle East. Anwar Sadat actually fought for Hitler as well.
 

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If one read from main stream media then hitler is a real tyrant.
There is another alternative view of hitler (check out David Irving) and you can see that he was actually well respected even by many statesman. They hid a lot of good stuff of this man.
The Arabs have a legion fighting for Hitler in the Middle East. Anwar Sadat actually fought for Hitler as well.


Its no wonder Mein Kampf is a best seller among Muslim in the middle east even today.
 

HTOLAS

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You've raised a very good point here. In retrospect, when you can see what the man did, you can pass judgment on him and on those who supported him. When you're in the middle of it though, with limited information, you would not have known how evil he was.

And that is a lesson for many of us, even today.

If one read from main stream media then hitler is a real tyrant.
There is another alternative view of hitler (check out David Irving) and you can see that he was actually well respected even by many statesman. They hid a lot of good stuff of this man.
The Arabs have a legion fighting for Hitler in the Middle East. Anwar Sadat actually fought for Hitler as well.
 

jubilee1919

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If one read from main stream media then hitler is a real tyrant.
There is another alternative view of hitler (check out David Irving) and you can see that he was actually well respected even by many statesman. They hid a lot of good stuff of this man.
The Arabs have a legion fighting for Hitler in the Middle East. Anwar Sadat actually fought for Hitler as well.

So what was the good stuff? Will that exonerate all the evil things he did?
 

hairylee

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You've raised a very good point here. In retrospect, when you can see what the man did, you can pass judgment on him and on those who supported him. When you're in the middle of it though, with limited information, you would not have known how evil he was.

And that is a lesson for many of us, even today.

In retrospect, I believe the evil one was Winston Churchill. A half Jew. Ironically, he was my hero during those "limited information" period and Hitler was the evil to me.
 
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jubilee1919

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In retrospect, I believe the evil one was Winston Churchill. A half Jew. Ironically, he was my hero during those "limited information" period and Hitler was the evil to me.

From historical records, his "Jew" ancestry was never recorded officially. Even if it was true, the Jew blood is very very thin as it will be many generations removed. So what has his Jewishness got to do with him being evil? What evil deeds had he committed? Sorry for asking as I had never came across any stories about it.
 

HTOLAS

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Both Hitler and Stalin were evil by any standards. Worst of all, they operated in systems where there were hardly any checks on them. Opposition meant almost certain death. There is perhaps some justice in the way both men died. Hitler shot himself.

Stalin's death was probably more ironic. He apparently choked on his own vomit after suffering a heart attack in his own room. No one had come to his aid and his body was also left unattended for a long time because he had instructed that no one was to disturb him until he came out of his room. No one dared disobey him.

As for Churchill - he was an imperialist and would surely have had a dictatorial bent save for the fact that the system he operated in would have prevented that. Just think - he got voted out of office immediately after the war.

Hitler? What's Hitler compared to Stalin? Nothing.

In retrospect, I believe the evil one was Winston Churchill. A half Jew. Ironically, he was my hero during those "limited information" period and Hitler was the evil to me.
 
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