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Govt desperately trying to convince Sinkies not to opt out from HOTA

LITTLEREDDOT

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I think HOTA needs a review urgently.

First, an independent party must be present to ascertain death before organ harvesting. Having two doctors from the hospital is insufficient and subject to conflict of interest, especially when local doctors are so tightly knitted and small community. And the process of checking for brain dead video recorded to be kept as evidence as well as keep the doctors on their toes.

Second, the full battery of test must be performed for potential donors, that must be over and above the minimum requirement in developed countries.

Third to provide concert evidence that organ harvesting must be done within 24 hours, and to weigh the hurt to the grieving family. Why not 48 or 72 hours if life support is provided?

Forth, to ban transplant of any organs harvested under HOTA to any foreigners, even if this means throwing away the organ. HOTA organs should only be for locals and SPR who agreed to stay on HOTA.

Fully agree.
 

enterprise2

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The Straits Times
www.straitstimes.com
Published on Mar 26, 2013


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[h=1]Brain-death diagnosis based on stringent clinical criteria: MOH[/h][h=2][/h]THE Sunday Times reported on the case of Ms Suzanne Chin, who recovered from a coma ("Back from the dead: 'I have been blessed with a second chance'"; Sunday).

We are happy that Ms Chin has made a recovery. However, we are not able to comment on the case as we do not have access to specific information on her medical treatment in Hong Kong and what exactly was diagnosed and communicated to her family.

Brain death is diagnosed only when there is catastrophic brain injury. When brain death has occurred, blood flow and oxygen delivery to the brain ceases irreversibly and all brain functions are lost and will never return again.

Brain death is determined according to strict clinical criteria.

Once diagnosed, it is recognised both medically and legally in Singapore as death of the person.
This definition is similar to those used in countries such as Australia, Canada, Denmark, Britain and the United States.
Brain death implies the irreversible cessation of consciousness, loss of capacity to breathe and other brain stem functions, and is accepted as the termination of a human's life; correspondingly, the diagnosis of brain death is very important.
The neurological criteria for diagnosing brain death in Singapore are based on current best medical evidence and knowledge, and are similar to those adopted by countries such as the US, Australia, and Britain.
In Singapore, all criteria have to be fully met for the diagnosis of brain death, including absence of pupillary response to light, absence of corneal reflex and absence of respiratory drive or spontaneous breathing, to cite a few; and when one or more of these tests cannot be done, additional tests to demonstrate the absence of brain circulation need to be performed.
In addition, two doctors are required to certify brain death, at least one of whom has to be independent and not involved in the care of the patient.
Doctors accredited to perform brain-death certification in our hospitals are specialists who have had appropriate training to certify brain death.
We would like to reassure the public of the highest standard of medical practice in our hospitals, and that correctly diagnosed brain death is not a reversible medical condition.
Kwek Tong Kiat (Clinical Associate Professor)
Senior Consultant,
Ministry of Health, Hospital Services Division
Head and Senior Consultant
Dept of Anaesthesiology, Intensive Care and Pain Medicine
Tan Tock Seng Hospital
Lee Heow Yong (Dr)
Acting Director/Hospital Services Division, Health Services Group
Ministry of Health
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Lets not politicise this ok. I am ok with HOTA. When I die, my organs live on....
 

eatshitndie

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There will be people who will buy your lanjiao. Not for organ transplant, but for culinary reasons.They will price the delicacy at between $50 to $100.

goes well with merlot when thinly sliced and sautéed with bacon and pepper. chez penis special. :biggrin:
 

Glaringly

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With Hota and organs for free.

You can imagine whenever a severely injuried accident victim arrived at the hospital. The doctors there will be frantically taking the blood type and checking against their list of would be recipients.

You can further imagine they will ring up the nurses and ask... victim brain dead already? :biggrin:
 

watchman8

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Lets not politicise this ok. I am ok with HOTA. When I die, my organs live on....
First, will you be happy if your organs are harvested before you are truly dead?

Second, are you happy that foreigners can live and work in Singapore, and enjoy the full range of HOTA organs but they don't need to be subjected to HOTA?
 

watchman8

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With Hota and organs for free.

You can imagine whenever a severely injuried accident victim arrived at the hospital. The doctors there will be frantically taking the blood type and checking against their list of would be recipients.

You can further imagine they will ring up the nurses and ask... victim brain dead already? :biggrin:
Especially when the doctor for the recipient patient is a very senior doctor who can influence the promotion of the more junior doctors who are assigned to determine if the patient is brain dead.
 

halsey02

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Thought you got free milo and biscuits? Plus if you are lucky a young sweet nurse will rub her boobs against your arm when she insert the needle.

Mine wasn't that good, the Milo was too sweet, the biscuit was too soft & the YOUNG SWEET THING, was 'over the hill & far away", unless you are in masochism, then that will be your cup of tea. I was there for good intention, receive nothing in return:smile:
 

laksaboy

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I remember the propaganda bullshit ads on tv when HOTA was first implemented, with some old man saying that HOTA makes him feel good as he knows he'll be saving lives.
 

enterprise2

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First, will you be happy if your organs are harvested before you are truly dead?

Second, are you happy that foreigners can live and work in Singapore, and enjoy the full range of HOTA organs but they don't need to be subjected to HOTA?

Well I am ok with MOH definition in today's paper. Seem quite clear no way u can come back from that state. As for foreigners....as mentioned I rather not politicize this. If there is a life that can benefit...so be it.....after all I am gone already!
 

laksaboy

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I'm sure the doctors are all saints and look beyond the money incentive. No need any check and balance :rolleyes:

Many doctors have already been bribed by the pharmaceutical companies. Just take a look at the GPs and family doctors in your neighbourhood. Prominent ads are put up for flu vaccines, especially just before the school starts (create fear in parents to make them fork out money to get their kids vaccinated). Some doctors may be very eager to push antidepressants or a certain brand of drugs onto the patients.
 

escher

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it's all about money ... transplant surgery and post transplant follow up care are highly profitable...

I would have opted in should I be in other countries.

In Stinkapore, where my harvested organs will bring in $$$$$$ into LKY coffers, I rather want the worms to get at it or be cremated.

I HAVE OPTED OUT OF HOTA SO BASTARD LKY WILL NOT GET A FUCKING CENT FROM MY ORGANS
 

laksaboy

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If there is a life that can benefit...so be it.....after all I am gone already!

It's never about saving lives. It's about catering to the burgeoning needs of medical tourism.

Your organs are worth a lot of money on the black market. You think organ transactions don't happen in Singapore? That's what they said for match-fixing too. :rolleyes:
 

maxxi

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''You can imagine whenever a severely injuried accident victim arrived at the hospital. The doctors there will be frantically taking the blood type and checking against their list of would be recipients''.


How much attention is put into trying to save patient?
 

Narong Wongwan

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I remember the propaganda bullshit ads on tv when HOTA was first implemented, with some old man saying that HOTA makes him feel good as he knows he'll be saving lives.

I remembered back then when i got my organ donor card.......it was opt in system back then........like a blood donor i felt so 'noble' machiam just did a good deed.

But in typical PAP fashion......they can turn charity into money making machinery for themselves......i have stopped donating blood and will opt out of this HOTA scam. Dun let Pappies killl you to make a fast buck!
 
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