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God is just a symbolic concept. Stop fighting over it.

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To settle the ongoing "region vs atheist" wars going on. I present. this video. God is just a symbolic concept! Skip to 3:30. Mind you, the person is termed the last western heretic. He is also an ordained minister at the Presbytarian church so he does know what he is talking about. He mentioned GOD is like X in algebra and termed that the question god exist or not is nonsensical. I think this guy has the best views when it comes to religion and science.

[video=youtube;TqH6L_K8TCU]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TqH6L_K8TCU&feature=relmfu[/video]


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lloyd_Geering

Geering was born in Rangiora, Canterbury, New Zealand, and "embraced" the Christian tradition in 1937.[2] He holds a Doctor of Divinity from the University of Otago and a master's degree in mathematics. He was a minister in the Presbyterian Church of Aotearoa New Zealand (PCANZ) and turned to theological teaching in 1956.
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The concept of god is derived from the anthropomorphism of nature, attributing human qualities to non-human phenomena.
 
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You are correct, thats why I consider these so called atheist who want to quarrel silly people. They are simply illogical.
 
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Ash007 said:
To settle the ongoing "region vs atheist" wars going on. I present. this video. God is just a symbolic concept! Skip to 3:30. Mind you, the person is termed the last western heretic. He is also an ordained minister at the Presbytarian church so he does know what he is talking about. He mentioned GOD is like X in algebra and termed that the question god exist or not is nonsensical. I think this guy has the best views when it comes to religion and science.

[video=youtube;TqH6L_K8TCU]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TqH6L_K8TCU&feature=relmfu[/video]


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lloyd_Geering
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if he dare to say that during Bruno and Galileo's days, he would be burnt at the stake.
 
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Ash007 said:
But he is not, he was tried for heresy just like them.
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at least they didnt burnt him.
i cant say the same for Alan Turing for he wasnt so lucky. a mathematical genius who had contributed so much to the world of technology and helped the briteish to break the german's egnima machine.. he was sentenced to jail for his homosexuality.. either he took chemical castration or face jail.. he chose death.
 
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5:20 his trial. He denied that Jesus did not rise from his grave.

[video=youtube;zI6sJZNud8k]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zI6sJZNud8k&list=PLBA1273B1BAB3B174&index=4&feature=plpp_video[/video]
 
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Kinana said:
Atheistic communists slaughtered millions.

Atheism good?
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communists = socialist?

central america ruled by spanish conquisitors.. how many died?
christian crusade .. how many died?
eruope's catholic versus protestants war - how many died?
britian conquered 3/4 of the world - how many died?
opium trafficking in china - how many died?
europe's inquisition - how many died?
america's civil war - how many died?

atheism is the lack of belief for the existence of a supernatural being. unless people go out and kill others while chanting; "we are killing you in the name of the lack of belief of God." THEN YOU CAN SAY THAT THEY ARE KILLED BY ATHEISTS!!
 
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Actually, during the cultural revolution, I think people did get killed by atheist because they believed in god/supernatural beings.

fishbuff said:
communists = socialist?

central america ruled by spanish conquisitors.. how many died?
christian crusade .. how many died?
eruope's catholic versus protestants war - how many died?
britian conquered 3/4 of the world - how many died?
opium trafficking in china - how many died?
europe's inquisition - how many died?
america's civil war - how many died?

atheism is the lack of belief for the existence of a supernatural being. unless people go out and kill others while chanting; "we are killing you in the name of the lack of belief of God." THEN YOU CAN SAY THAT THEY ARE KILLED BY ATHEISTS!!
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Ash007 said:
Actually, during the cultural revolution, I think people did get killed by atheist because they believed in god/supernatural beings.
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well, they BELIEVE in Mao.. that is another form of worshipping, taking Mao's words as Gospel truth. never think thru'. How many times have we seen blind worshipping of personality cult like Jim Jones, Kim Jong Il, Hitler, etc?

if they are rationalist, and rationalize Mao's directives, they would say otherwise. you need to see; if they are not trained in the discipline of questioning things and authorise, they will fall victims to mysticism and be led by the nose.

do you not agree?
 
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The only conclusion I can get is that regardless of atheist or religion, as long as you harm others there is bad connotations to it.

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well, they BELIEVE in Mao.. that is another form of worshipping, taking Mao's words as Gospel truth. never think thru'. How many times have we seen blind worshipping of personality cult like Jim Jones, Kim Jong Il, Hitler, etc?

if they are rationalist, and rationalize Mao's directives, they would say otherwise. you need to see; if they are not trained in the discipline of questioning things and authorise, they will fall victims to mysticism and be led by the nose.

do you not agree?
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Ash007 said:
The only conclusion I can get is that regardless of atheist or religion, as long as you harm others there is bad connotations to it.
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i have never seen society suffer more if the people can reason better. usually it is on the reverse.
 
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Kinana said:
Atheistic communists slaughtered millions.

Atheism good?
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son , who told you murder is no good ....your father me have been murdering ppl for thousands of years ...remember tsunami , earthquake and big flood ? :wink: . but i still loves you guys :wink: just diam diam and follow me lah ..ask so much questions for what :wink:
 
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A person is intelligent, a mob usually not. If everyone is rational and did everything to his best interest then you get chaos. Same if everyone did everything that benefits the environment. The idea of an utopian society is just an idea. It would not be reality.

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i have never seen society suffer more if the people can reason better. usually it is on the reverse.
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Ash007 said:
The only conclusion I can get is that regardless of atheist or religion, as long as you harm others there is bad connotations to it.
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men never commit evil so fully and joyfully as when they do it for religious convictions...hallelujah :wink:
 
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