Breakig News - Treking down dual citiizenships

[tanwahtiu]

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The Singapore</st1:country-region> government is to trek down on Singaporeans who entered <st1:country-region w:st="on">Singapore</st1:country-region> with foreign passports at the airports. Many Singaporeans living in <st1:country-region w:st="on">Australia</st1:country-region> has taken up Australian citizenships and not reporting or declaring it to the <st1:country-region w:st="on">Singapore</st1:country-region></ST1:place government.


Many have kept both passports, and citizenships, and they should know that it is also a crimial offence in Australia to hold two international passports. There is no dual citizenship agreement between <st1:country-region w:st="on">Singapore</st1:country-region> and Australia and offenders can be charged under the new citizenship and immigration laws to be implemented soon. You can be charged by both countries if you break the laws.
There are tip off from sources that those with Australian citizenships have had entered <st1:country-region w:st="on">Singapore</st1:country-region> with either <st1:country-region w:st="on">Singapore</st1:country-region> passports or Australian passports.

 

[scroobal]

You remind me of the Japanese soldiers who hid in the jungles of Philippines for over 30 years after the end of WWII. You need to catch up on the latest. By the way, we now have colour television.

1) There is no such thing as reciprocal agreement on the dual citizenship.
2) Australia had a law forbidding dual citizenship until it was repealed on 4th April 2002. A trend with many countries in a an increasing global world.
3) Singapore never had any law forbidding dual citizenship but the Government had previously stated they do not encourage it. They stopped making that rhetoric from early 2000 and the old man mentioned around 3 years that cabinet is looking into it and decided to keep it in the back burner for the time being.

 

[tanwahtiu]

You remind me of the Japanese soldiers who hid in the jungles of Philippines for over 30 years after the end of WWII. You need to catch up on the latest. By the way, we now have colour television.

1) There is no such thing as reciprocal agreement on the dual citizenship.
2) Australia had a law forbidding dual citizenship until it was repealed on 4th April 2002. A trend with many countries in a an increasing global world.
3) Singapore never had any law forbidding dual citizenship but the Government had previously stated they do not encourage it. They stopped making that rhetoric from early 2000 and the old man mentioned around 3 years that cabinet is looking into it and decided to keep it in the back burner for the time being.

For the time being it is still illegal. Don't try to give others the impression that it is OK to hold 2 citizenships.

 

[scroobal]

Till today nobody has showed the law the forbids it and no one has been charged in Singapore courts for holding dual citizenship since it became a sovereign country in 1965.

By the way, cathode ray has also gone by the wayside, its Plasma or LCD.

For the time being it is still illegal. Don't try to give others the impression that it is OK to hold 2 citizenships.

 

[tanwahtiu]

There are increasing number of Singaporeans holding Australian citizenships. Some even bragged about it and this has raised some eye brows and not go unnoticed. As you have said it is Plasma or LCD, and with new computer system installed by the immigration departments it should not be difficult to track down offenders.

 

[Leongsam]

There are increasing number of Singaporeans holding Australian citizenships. Some even bragged about it and this has raised some eye brows and not go unnoticed. As you have said it is Plasma or LCD, and with new computer system installed by the immigration departments it should not be difficult to track down offenders.

I worry more about those bloody Martians. They could cause havoc if they decide to land on Earth.

 

[Screwball]

There are increasing number of Singaporeans holding Australian citizenships.

Whether Singaporean or Australian will not matter in time to come because this little red dot is going to become a province of PRC.

 

[scroobal]

No need for new computers. Since the installation of online system at immigration checkpoints many decades ago, an Immigration officer seeing a Singaporean presenting a foreign passport will only have to type the D.O.B. and the name and it will indicate if the Singaporean citizenship has been renounced. There is a reason why the place of birth, DOB and name are primary fields.

That's how they pick up NS defaulters and wanted Singaporeans. The info for defaulters don't come from Hawaii Five O.

If you are free, drop by A*star and ask the ABC who heads the Institute why he is holding an US and Singaporean citizenship. You might want to tattoo your eyebrow thereafter so that its doesn't get raised based on myths.

There are increasing number of Singaporeans holding Australian citizenships. Some even bragged about it and this has raised some eye brows and not go unnoticed. As you have said it is Plasma or LCD, and with new computer system installed by the immigration departments it should not be difficult to track down offenders.

 

[tanwahtiu]

It's believe that more 6,000 Singaporeans migrated to others countries a year. Over the last 10 years there could be >100,000 Singaporeans living outside Singapore.

Some surrendered their ICs in exchange of their CPF monies but some didn't. It is those that did not want to touch their CPF hold dual citizenships. These people do not show any loyalties to either countries, especically those in Australia.

So in case of trouble where do you go for help? Singapore or Australia embassy? It depends on which passport you use to enter a country, right?

All it takes is to just punish one person and you will see the rest will tumble like dominos. We will see! You starting to worry now leh! and you better tattoo your eye brow too, just in case. What myths? This issue is real, there is no myths about it?

 

[tanwahtiu]

I worry more about those bloody Martians. They could cause havoc if they decide to land on Earth.

You better pedals a few more miles to sell your sex trades. If there are Martians they will also get sexually corrupted by your sex trades web site .... hehehe

 

[Aussie Prick]

It's believe that more 6,000 Singaporeans migrated to others countries a year. Over the last 10 years there could be >100,000 Singaporeans living outside Singapore.

Some surrendered their ICs in exchange of their CPF monies but some didn't. It is those that did not want to touch their CPF hold dual citizenships. These people do not show any loyalties to either countries, especically those in Australia.

So in case of trouble where do you go for help? Singapore or Australia embassy? It depends on which passport you use to enter a country, right?

All it takes is to just punish one person and you will see the rest will tumble like dominos. We will see! You starting to worry now leh! and you better tattoo your eye brow too, just in case. What myths? This issue is real, there is no myths about it?

There are specific precedents that govern mobilization of those holding dual nationalities. The United States and the UK for example have long established criteria and its based on domicile - not emotions.

CPF is a factor in many cases to renounce. Recently a colleague told me a Singaporean who renounced and became a Malaysian Citizen was denied withdrawl of CPF until the age of 55 as its time barred for West Malaysians but not other nationalities. If others on this forum knew that CPF withdrawl is denied based on taking up West Malaysian citizenship - that was news to me!

 

[scroobal]

No denying that dual and multiple citizenship causes issues of loyalty. I think that the world has progressed so fast that borders are becoming seamless. It started with the EU with many having concerns, decades later its roaring success with a strong currency and economy to boot.

The main reason why many countries are following the trend of allowing dual citizenship is to maintain links so that economic and other opportunities are still possible and they can lay claim to a Nobel laureate when he achieves success in his new country. The ones who leave are usually the better ones with good education, entrepreneurial mind, risk takers, adventuress etc. Some might even return to Singapore after making their fortunes.

Here are some interesting variations that exist elsewhere. China and OZ allow ex-citizens who renounced their citizenship to claim it back and this can be exercised once only. So all new Singaporeans from PRC and OZ can actually go back after making their fortune here or when they changed their mind.

It's believe that more 6,000 Singaporeans migrated to others countries a year. Over the last 10 years there could be >100,000 Singaporeans living outside Singapore.

Some surrendered their ICs in exchange of their CPF monies but some didn't. It is those that did not want to touch their CPF hold dual citizenships. These people do not show any loyalties to either countries, especically those in Australia.

So in case of trouble where do you go for help? Singapore or Australia embassy? It depends on which passport you use to enter a country, right?

All it takes is to just punish one person and you will see the rest will tumble like dominos. We will see! You starting to worry now leh! and you better tattoo your eye brow too, just in case. What myths? This issue is real, there is no myths about it?

 

[Don Muthuswamy]

Many have kept both passports, and citizenships, and they should know that it is also a crimial offence in Australia to hold two international passports. There is no dual citizenship agreement between <st1:country-region w:st="on">Singapore</st1:country-region> and Australia and offenders can be charged under the new citizenship and immigration laws to be implemented soon. ]

This is not true. You are probably looking at an incorrect or outdated source. Oz has been allowing dual citizenship since 2002.

http://www.citizenship.gov.au/current/dual_citizenship/

Whether Singapore allows or not is debatable but Oz certainly allows. Also, there is no such thing as a dual citizenship agreement between countries. It all boils down to each country as to whether that country allow dual citizenship or not and it doesn't matter which other citizenship you hold. Like a citizen of Oz can be an Iraqi or even Zimbabwae citizen, it doesn't matter. Likewise, if Singapore doesn't allow dual citizenship, it will not allow you to hold the passport of any other country regardless of which one it is, even matland passport for that matter.

 

[fishbuff]

alot of old ah peks and ah sohs in sg are still citizens of China when they left 50+ years ago and came over to Sg. did they rennounce their china citizenship? i dont think so.

 

[eatshitndie]

alot of old ah peks and ah sohs in sg are still citizens of China when they left 50+ years ago and came over to Sg. did they rennounce their china citizenship? i dont think so.

for some who returned to china before the 60's, the commies honored their chinese citizenship. for many who stayed in sg past 1963, prc citizenship for many overseas chinese was revoked by the commies, partly because of political upheavals in china and the cessation of diplomatic relations with the rest of the world. but if you were to sneek back in after 63, you would be celebrated as a defector of bourgeois capitalism.

 

[john_nyc_71]

As far as I know, the only penalty that Singapore imposes on those who have another citizenship is that the Singapore government now has the right to revoke your Singapore citizenship.

I think this basically means it is a matter of policy for the Singapore government, not a matter of law. For example, it is well known that Singapore allows minors to hold dual citizenship, but I haven't found a law that says this - as far as I can tell, it is just the SG govt's policy not to revoke your SG citizenship if you are a minor (or for that matter, if you are an adult male who hasn't served NS). Whether there are other exceptions made is more murky - there are rumours of case-by-case exceptions granted to Singaporeans who have acquired foreign citizenships, but these are, as far as I know, just rumours.

Many Commonwealth countries has similar laws on their books but they seem to enforce it differently. India, for example, is very strict - you lose Indian citizenship even if you are a child if you use another country's passport, even if that country (eg US) requires you to use it.

Anyway, it therefore appears that hold dual nationality by itself is not an offence in Singapore. (Making a false declaration regarding the acquisition of other citizenships when renewing your SG passport, on the other hand, is). It also means that acquiring another citizenship does not mean you stop being Singaporean. As far as I can you, you are still a SG citizen until the SG govt formally revokes your citizenship. (This is very different for the pre-2002 Australian law, which clearly states you Australlians who acquire another citizenship automatically loses their AU citizenship even if the AU govt does not know about it).

As for the case of PRC, I believe PRC law automatically withdraws your citizenship if you acquire the citizenship of another country. I believe for the case of children, PRC children lose their PRC citizenship when the parents acquire permanent residence, or something like that. On the other hand, ROC is a lot more liberal, so it is completely possible that many people in Singapore (esp those born in China) may have a claim to ROC nationality (although they probably have no right to live or work in Taiwan - it is possible to have ROC nationality without the right to live or work there).

 

[Watchman]

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The Singapore</st1:country-region> government is to trek down on Singaporeans who entered <st1:country-region w:st="on">Singapore</st1:country-region> with foreign passports at the airports. Many Singaporeans living in <st1:country-region w:st="on">Australia</st1:country-region> has taken up Australian citizenships and not reporting or declaring it to the <st1:country-region w:st="on">Singapore</st1:country-region></ST1:place government.


Many have kept both passports, and citizenships, and they should know that it is also a crimial offence in Australia to hold two international passports. There is no dual citizenship agreement between <st1:country-region w:st="on">Singapore</st1:country-region> and Australia and offenders can be charged under the new citizenship and immigration laws to be implemented soon. You can be charged by both countries if you break the laws.
There are tip off from sources that those with Australian citizenships have had entered <st1:country-region w:st="on">Singapore</st1:country-region> with either <st1:country-region w:st="on">Singapore</st1:country-region> passports or Australian passports.

It is time we have to counter Singapore's authorities and detect and sniff out those rich farkers who are living on exemption and under the wings of the ruling party .

Our para-civillian agents will be dispatch at all points .

It work both ways . You can catch . We can engage you of wrong doings too .

Since when is it a problem to hold dual ?

 

[longbow]

How does it impact ownership of HDBs if one is a dual citizen.

I agree with Scroobal's points. Think about it. We want to attract new citizens and we allow them to come in without doing NS. There is a lot of unhappiness over this.

On the other hand, how could we strip Singapore citizenship from a Singaporean that has given 2 years of his life for the nation. Who is more Singaprean? The newly minted on an express PR/citizenship route or one that was born in Singapore, grew up and did NS.

This is a problem that they face.

I think authorities want to get There but do not know how.

I know of quite a few wealthy Singaporeans with dual passports.

 

[southwest]

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</st1:country-region>The Singapore government is to trek down on Singaporeans who entered <st1:country-region w:st="on">Singapore</st1:country-region> with foreign passports at the airports.

If Singapore government treks, it's no problem, it's only play play.

But when the Singapore government tracks, then you worry

 

[cass888]

For the time being it is still illegal. Don't try to give others the impression that it is OK to hold 2 citizenships.

It is not illegal. It can lead to you losing your Singapore citizenship but you won't be sent to jail or fined.