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Beating the casino?

Natural Nine

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Never trust gambling asa means of livelihood...you will end up in misery as a pauper...too many life example to verified......I have relative who almost destroy whole familee bcos of addiction to gambling............


Hi Lets' be honest with the statistics...

How many percent % uncles and aunties and young men and women

who are now staying in condos landed properties are university

graduates ? How many of these people are doing a decent job ...

Let's give them some honour and respect because some these

people/folks have never even finish primary schools ...

They have the guts and took the risk be it 4 D , gambling ,

or other types of gamblings ... they took the plunge ( ignoring

your wonder advice ) because they have mouths to feed at home

and got no time to write what you are writing and neither do

they bother to read your postings ...THESE ARE THE UNSUNG HEROS

WHO DRIVE OUR COUNTRY IN THE EARLY DAYS ... I MEAN PEOPLE

WHO TAKE ANY TYPE OF RISK FACES BROKEN HOME RIDICULES

ETC...THEY ONLY KNOW THAT IF THEY DONT THEY WILL EXTINCT FASTER..
 

Natural Nine

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Brothers let get ourselves ready here we are going to beat the 2 casinos...

Let's make this the tread ; lets ask Silverfox and etc.... to come here to

share their thoughts and experinence
 
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Yip Hon

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Brothers let get ourselves ready here we are going to beat the 2 casinos...

Let's make this the tread ; lets ask Silverfox and etc.... to come here to

share their thoughts and experinence





Can some rich brother here purchase the following


http://www.leonardbenson.com/baccarat.html



New Advantage Baccarat System: 40-page PDF document. = $99 only


its in 40 pgs pdf format please buy and share it with bros here ... thks
 
Y

Yip Hon

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Can some rich brother here purchase the following


http://www.leonardbenson.com/baccarat.html



New Advantage Baccarat System: 40-page PDF document. = $99 only


its in 40 pgs pdf format please buy and share it with bros here ... thks




Beating Negative Expectation Games: Fact or Fiction?

Category: Uncategorized — tonybenson @ 10:46 am

Can you “beat” a negative expectation* casino game, such as baccarat,

blackjack or craps? I would like your feedback on this. I”m Leonard Benson

and my viewpoint is a definite “yes.” In fact, it’s not only my viewpoint . . .

it’s a fact according to my personal experience.

The reason I want to put this up for discussion is that some people believe it

cannot be done. One of the answers may lie in the definition of the

word “beat.” To me, it means being able to make a living — and a good one

at that — at one or more of these games.

How? By not playing continuously and by taking advantage of the natural

player-based fluctuations in all games. I like to use as an example the

tossing of a coin. We know that over a period of hundreds of flips it will come

out 50/50. But in the short run of let’s say 50 flips, you could get eight heads

in a row or more. Even though we never know when these eight heads in a

row will reoccur, there is a way to take advantage of streaks when they are

happening.


This is basically true of almost all casino games. To oversimplify: Take full

advantage of streaks and keep losses low when streaks don’t occur.

With the exception of breaking even, there are only four outcomes in terms of

money that can take place when you’re gambling: Win a lot, lose a lot, win a

little, lose a little. Eliminate “lose a lot” from this equation and you are a

winner!
 
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Yip Hon

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Never trust gambling asa means of livelihood...you will end up in misery as a pauper...too many life example to verified......I have relative who almost destroy whole familee bcos of addiction to gambling............



RECESSION PROOF business



The dictionary defines a recession as an economic setback in commercial and

industrial activity. The question that concerns the Benson client is whether a

recession affects the world of gambling. As you would expect, the answer is

yes, but even more interesting, the answer is also no.


The answer is yes because a recession affects the supply side of the

gambling business . That is, the hotel and casino. As prices rise in every area

for the casino, the overhead increases. In order to attract more business the

casinos must give away more comps and bonuses, which also increases their

overhead.

But the answer is also no because the demand side of the gambling

business, which is the people who gamble, is unaffected and is practically

recession proof . The gambler, unlike the casino, has no major overhead. The

gambler has no rent, employees, food and services costs, insurance, loan

payments and all other aspects of business overhead. His expenses are his

bankroll, which remains the same in and out of a recession, and increased

gas prices which are minimal compared to the increased overhead of any

other business.

Of course, a compulsive or bad gambler can be affected by the recession. If

he loses his job or business, he is forced to stop gambling. (He’s probably

better off.) Meanwhile, the gambler who loses but is still secure in his job or

business continues to gamble as though everything is normal. No matter how

high gas prices go, this will not keep him away. The increased gas prices are

probably less than the cost of one bet.


That only leaves one type of gambler: the consistent winner. This type of

gambler is least affected by the recession. That is, the pro, semi-pro or the

person who is just a consistent winner at the end of every year. Many Benson

clients fall into this category.


the consistent winner never had to worry about losing his investment or

bankroll during a recession. In fact, his profits are increasing all the time.

This is unlike the losing gambler who loses his investment almost every time

he plays. Truth is, the winning gambler has the best of all worlds. He has no

overhead, he’s always gaining principal and his comps keep escalating
.

So, the Benson gamblers are on the recession-proof side of the table as long

as they follow the systems and departure rules. I know many Benson clients

who are consistent winners through the implementation of our many winning

systems. Even when the recession is over, it hardly matters to these winners

because it didn’t affect them in the first place. My advice to everyone during

this recession is sharpen your game, learn more, and follow the rules

carefully, especially the departure rules.

Have a plan.
 

sammyman666

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Hmm... very interesting thoughts .

But how do explain hundreds of peoples made bankrupts but not

by gambling ?

Taking a risk in a business venture is not considered gambling because there is a future profit expectation. This is only if you know what you are doing and you make informed decisions. Thus, this is considered an investment

Playing a casino game where the house has the odds in their favor is pure gambling because only luck can give you a consistent profit
 

sammyman666

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Hi Lets' be honest with the statistics...

How many percent % uncles and aunties and young men and women

who are now staying in condos landed properties are university

graduates ? How many of these people are doing a decent job ...

Let's give them some honour and respect because some these

people/folks have never even finish primary schools ...

They have the guts and took the risk be it 4 D , gambling ,

or other types of gamblings ... they took the plunge ( ignoring

your wonder advice ) because they have mouths to feed at home

and got no time to write what you are writing and neither do

they bother to read your postings ...THESE ARE THE UNSUNG HEROS

WHO DRIVE OUR COUNTRY IN THE EARLY DAYS ... I MEAN PEOPLE

WHO TAKE ANY TYPE OF RISK FACES BROKEN HOME RIDICULES

ETC...THEY ONLY KNOW THAT IF THEY DONT THEY WILL EXTINCT FASTER..


Unfortunately, you can't seem to differentiate between investment and gambling. If you anyhow throw your money into stocks where you have no knowledge, I guess you can call that gambling since you are relying more on chance than anything else.

But if you do your research properly into stocks, pick the right company and lay your money down for the long-term, you should probably call it an investment because in the long-run, you expect the share price to go up
 
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sammyman666

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Beating Negative Expectation Games: Fact or Fiction?

Category: Uncategorized — tonybenson @ 10:46 am

Can you “beat” a negative expectation* casino game, such as baccarat,

blackjack or craps? I would like your feedback on this. I”m Leonard Benson

and my viewpoint is a definite “yes.” In fact, it’s not only my viewpoint . . .

it’s a fact according to my personal experience.

The reason I want to put this up for discussion is that some people believe it

cannot be done. One of the answers may lie in the definition of the

word “beat.” To me, it means being able to make a living — and a good one

at that — at one or more of these games.

How? By not playing continuously and by taking advantage of the natural

player-based fluctuations in all games. I like to use as an example the

tossing of a coin. We know that over a period of hundreds of flips it will come

out 50/50. But in the short run of let’s say 50 flips, you could get eight heads

in a row or more. Even though we never know when these eight heads in a

row will reoccur, there is a way to take advantage of streaks when they are

happening.


This is basically true of almost all casino games. To oversimplify: Take full

advantage of streaks and keep losses low when streaks don’t occur.

With the exception of breaking even, there are only four outcomes in terms of

money that can take place when you’re gambling: Win a lot, lose a lot, win a

little, lose a little. Eliminate “lose a lot” from this equation and you are a

winner!


Who the hell is leonard benson? Why do you quote from him? For all you know, the guy could be a mathematics retard. Why would he sell a system if it could really net him thousands of dollars everyday consistently? Why won't the casino kick him out? If you buy anything from him, you become his source of income, not the casino
 

BeHappy

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Re: Beating the casino-No,hit n run-Yes

Here are some pics that casinowinner sent to me of his online wins today.
 

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john_220903

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Like to share my views from the above posting since i saw so many people started to post already.

Stocks is also a form of gamble cause people intend to be greedy at times buying huge amount where they can't afford hoping to win big but if times is bad also lose badly too this is also a form of gambling am i right to say that???
doing bussiness also a form of gamble take chance also so everything is a 50% win 50% also prepare to take losses from.

Like i say as for me i already took up playing baccart as my job for the past 3yrs plus just like normal every mth still have the money to enjoy mysellf.Cause most important is that,u know when to stop when not to be greedy at all. I myself tested on soccer betting,roulette,blackjack,sic bo but best is still baccart for me so from there i started with a small captial .Than every mth collect my winning 40% goes into saving rest for enjoyment.

Important is that u know when to leave the casino even when u r in winning form,cause luck not always there when u see ur money grows people's mind tends to be more greedy and their bets got bigger this will sure kill u in long run and casino like this type of person how much money u have can fight with the casino long run sure kills u even u have lots of money cause every bet with have table limits.

Just like for example casinowinner he is pro in playing roulette as for me if im playing roulette sure will die in long run,im not in that.And also don't ever buy those online offers which claims to beat casino all that i felt most of them is bullshit.If they can will y still need to take their format out to sell to others ask urself this before u buy anny software claims to win.Even like those soccer hotline which claims what 70% picks all that all bullshit if they can hit that kind of hit rate y bother to post.
 

BeHappy

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John 220903,What you say is correct.It is not only the system but the person's ability to control his/her play.Most of the systems claim to be good,but the way a person uses the system is the main point in the outcome.I have seen and know that casinowinner's system of playing is different and more sofisticated.Even his recording of winning nos: is different.Casinowinner has systems for almost all the casino games.As John said,Luck is very important in deciding whether you win or lose and how much you can win. The pics are so small,so if you want to see the amounts won and the total creit amount,use your windows magnifier in accessories/accessibility.
 

sammyman666

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Like to share my views from the above posting since i saw so many people started to post already.

Stocks is also a form of gamble cause people intend to be greedy at times buying huge amount where they can't afford hoping to win big but if times is bad also lose badly too this is also a form of gambling am i right to say that???
doing bussiness also a form of gamble take chance also so everything is a 50% win 50% also prepare to take losses from.

Like i say as for me i already took up playing baccart as my job for the past 3yrs plus just like normal every mth still have the money to enjoy mysellf.Cause most important is that,u know when to stop when not to be greedy at all. I myself tested on soccer betting,roulette,blackjack,sic bo but best is still baccart for me so from there i started with a small captial .Than every mth collect my winning 40% goes into saving rest for enjoyment.

Important is that u know when to leave the casino even when u r in winning form,cause luck not always there when u see ur money grows people's mind tends to be more greedy and their bets got bigger this will sure kill u in long run and casino like this type of person how much money u have can fight with the casino long run sure kills u even u have lots of money cause every bet with have table limits.

Just like for example casinowinner he is pro in playing roulette as for me if im playing roulette sure will die in long run,im not in that.And also don't ever buy those online offers which claims to beat casino all that i felt most of them is bullshit.If they can will y still need to take their format out to sell to others ask urself this before u buy anny software claims to win.Even like those soccer hotline which claims what 70% picks all that all bullshit if they can hit that kind of hit rate y bother to post.


I think to differentiate between gambling and investment, you first need to understand that any investment will have risks. Just because there are risks, does not necessarily mean it is gambling.

Of course, doing business will need some element of luck. But it is only a small factor among many others. The important thing of doing business or investing in stocks is to have a future profit expectation. Playing baccarat does not have such a long-term positive expectation. This has been proven mathematically

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gambler%27s_conceit

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gambler%27s_fallacy
 

john_220903

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I think to differentiate between gambling and investment, you first need to understand that any investment will have risks. Just because there are risks, does not necessarily mean it is gambling.

Of course, doing business will need some element of luck. But it is only a small factor among many others. The important thing of doing business or investing in stocks is to have a future profit expectation. Playing baccarat does not have such a long-term positive expectation. This has been proven mathematically

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gambler%27s_conceit

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gambler%27s_fallacy


Bro

I know what u mean,but for me hmm i wait,watch,hit,leave this is what i do even on my very bad days the most to most i lost 15units and went off :biggrin: cause i have a target to hit and a target to lose too.So this is what i do time and luck is important element in here im talking about getting in the right time and strike already just leave this what i do always mate.
 

john_220903

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John 220903,What you say is correct.It is not only the system but the person's ability to control his/her play.Most of the systems claim to be good,but the way a person uses the system is the main point in the outcome.I have seen and know that casinowinner's system of playing is different and more sofisticated.Even his recording of winning nos: is different.Casinowinner has systems for almost all the casino games.As John said,Luck is very important in deciding whether you win or lose and how much you can win. The pics are so small,so if you want to see the amounts won and the total creit amount,use your windows magnifier in accessories/accessibility.

Bro

I think casinowinner have already mastered the way how roulette is played and when to strike big,gd luck to him :p cause what i think is roulette far more harder to play then baccart,cause the way the coupier throw the ball will also affect the outcome when comes into roulette.
 

Ramseth

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At every casino gaming table or machine, there's a house edge on the odds. All non-idiots know that and most accept that as the casino has to pay to provide the staff and facilities to entertain the gamers. But very few realise, where the heaviest odds lean towards the casino. It's in the time and and the chips.

1. Time. Casino rotate dealers at max 2-hour intervals to keep them fresh and alert. Machines (e.g. jackpots) don't even need that. You sit down there trying to beat the house (whether dealer or machine) for 2 hours or more? There're physical and mental limits that you can't break.

2. Chips. You go to the casino with cash to exchange for chips and play. The longer you play the higher the casino's winning odds go up. Why? You can run out of cash to exchange for chips in a streak of bad luck. The casino cannot run out of chips for you to lose back to them.
 

ashjaw

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try to catch the movie '21', it's a true story about how some MIT students beat the casino on the black jack table by counting.
 

Natural Nine

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Who the hell is leonard benson? Why do you quote from him? For all you know, the guy could be a mathematics retard. Why would he sell a system if it could really net him thousands of dollars everyday consistently? Why won't the casino kick him out? If you buy anything from him, you become his source of income, not the casino



Baccarat is a game of chance and skill between you and the Banker. It is played with a single standard deck of 52 cards. There are three types of bets and the game odds are high. The objective of the game is to predict whose hand, the Banker's or the Player's, will be closer to the value of nine. You can also bet on the possibility of a tie.

Winning hands in Baccarat depend on the hand you bet on, and whether that hand wins.

If the hand you bet on wins, the payout is as follows:
Hand Combination Payout
Banker's Hand Wins 2x the bet - 5% commission on winnings for the House
Player's Hand Wins 2x the bet
Tie 8x the bet

If the hand that you bet on wins, you are paid double your bet, unless you bet on a tie. If you bet on a tie, the payout is eight times the amount you bet. If you bet on the Banker's hand, and win, the House charges a 5% commission.

If you bet on a hand, and the hand loses, you lose your bet. If you do not bet on a tie, and the hands tie, your bet is returned to you.

Baccarat


Rule Authority:

InterCasino Baccarat is played and programmed with Atlantic City Gaming rules.
Authority: New Jersey Casino Control Commission.
Rule Exceptions: The cards are shuffled after each hand.

Premise:

Two hands are dealt in Baccarat - The Banker's hand and the Player's hand. Prior to each deal, the player wagers on whether the Player's hand or the Banker's hand is closest to a total of 9. The player also has the option to wager on a tie (i.e. both the banker's and player's hands total the same). 8 decks of 52 cards are used.

How to Play

Betting: Your chips are stacked by denomination ($1, $5, $25, $100, $500) at the bottom of the game window. Select the amount you would like to wager on a given hand by clicking the left mouse button on the chip of that denomination to activate it.

Next, place your bet on the Baccarat table by clicking on a bet field. To specify a bet that is not equal to an existing chip denomination, simply click on another chip denomination after placing your previous chip on the table. For example, to bet $30, click on the $25 chip and place it on the table then click on the $5 chip and place it on top of the $25 chip.

By clicking on the right mouse button you will withdraw your entire wager. Your total bet will be displayed in the "Bet" just below "User". You may repeat your last bet by clicking on the shortcuts which are summarized below. If you place a wager that is lower than the minimum table bet limit, your bet amount will be automatically adjusted to the minimum bet amount.

Dealing: After the player has pressed either the Deal or Pass button, the Player and Banker are dealt two cards. All tens and picture cards are worth zero, aces are worth 1, and all other cards are worth their face value. If the value of cards exceeds 9, then the value is adjusted by subtracting 10 from the total.


Hand Hand Total
9+7=16 6
5+5+5=15 5
10+9=19 "Natural" 9


After the first two cards are dealt to both the Player and Dealer, a third additional card may be dealt but the player does not ask for a third card. All additional cards are subject to a "Third Card Rule". No hand receives more than three cards. When the Player and Banker hands equal the same total, the hand is declared a Tie. If the value of the cards in either the Player's Hand or the Banker's Hand is an 8 or a 9 (a "natural") after receiving their initial two cards then no more cards shall be dealt to either hand. If the value of the cards in the Banker's hand on the first two cards is 0 to 7 inclusive, the Player's hand shall draw in accordance with the "Third Card Rules".


Third Card Rules:

If the Player's two cards total:

Player's Hand Draw?
0-5 Player's hand must draw
6-7 Player's hand must stand
8-9 "Natural" (both hands stand)


After the Player's Hand acts on a third card draw, the Banker's Hand receives a third card according to these rules:


Banker's Hand Draw?
0-2 Banker's hand must draw
3-6 Third card to Player's hand determines draw or stand
7 Banker's hand must stand


When the Banker's two cards total between 3-6:

Banker's Hand Banker's hand draws when Player's third card is: Banker's hand does not draw when Player's third card is:
3 1-2-3-4-5-6-7-9 8
4 2-3-4-5-6-7 0,1,8,9
5 4-5-6-7 0-1-2-3-8-9
6 6-7 0-1-2-3-4-5-8-9
7 Banker's hand must stand Banker's hand must stand
8-9 "Natural" - Bank stands "Natural" - Bank stands


If the Player's hand stands on two cards (6,7), then a two card Banker hand totalling 3,4,5 must draw and a Banker hand totalling 6 must stand.

Payoffs:

Wager and Result Payoff
A winning Player hand wager 1 to 1
A winning Banker hand wager 1 to 1
A winning Tie wager 8 to 1


Betting Limits:

$5 minimum bet.
$300 maximum bet.

Setting your table bet limit:

You may also set your table bet limit below the maximum specified limit by selecting Bet Options from the Game Menu. The Modify Table Bet Limit window will appear on the screen. To reduce your maximum table bet limit type in the new limit in the appropriate box and confirm it by typing your PIN in the box below. Click on the OK button to complete the update. Please be aware that you can modify your table bet limit no more than once per week (Friday 12:00 AM EST) and that using the Modify Table Bet Limit function affects the bet limit for all games and not just the game that you are currently playing.


Statistics:
A list of the previous winners is displayed on the left hand side of the screen. The Banker's hand is indicated by the letter 'B', the Player's hand is indicated by the letter 'P' and a tie is indicated by a dash '-'. Consecutive wins by either the Banker or the Player are displayed in the same column. A new column is displayed when the Banker or Player starts a new winning streak. A tie is considered part of the same winning streak and is always displayed in the same column as the previous winner.

Note:
You may turn on/off the Sound, Voice and Animation during the game by clicking on the Options button located in the lower left-hand area of the console. The setting is turned on when the checkbox is checked and it is turned off when the checkbox is unchecked. You must exit and re-enter the game to activate the Animation feature.

References:
For further information on Baccarat, please consult the following references:

Patrick, John. John Patrick's Baccarat : How to Play and Win at the Table With the Fastest Action and the Highest Stakes, Lyle Stuart, 1997.

Stuart, Lyle. Lyle Stuart on Baccarat, Barricade Books, 1997.

Tamburin, Henry. Reference Guide to Casino Gambling, Research Services Unlimited, 1993.

Tamburin, Henry and Rahm, Richard. Winning Baccarat Strategies, Research Services Unlimited, 1983
 
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