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Airbus A330 BROKE APART in the air, SIA : A330 Very SAFE

Lee_Gong_Yaw

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Whether or not they find the entire fuselage of the plane, an investigation will still take place base on whatever pieces of wreckage recovered, existing communication records between the plane and whoever was listening to it and also weather conditions. I think its far better to draw conclusions from that report even if its inconclusive rather then base our judgement from something we created out of thin air

They have got bits and bits of them, far apart from one another, not together at the same place. That means the A330 became bits in the air, and got scattered in the air sky high by the storm and then landed in a wide area in the ocean. That is why one piece here one piece there.

SIA want that to happen to their passengers? That is what they called World Class and First World Airline? Best in the World?:eek::confused::(

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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/brazil_p...lYwN5bl90b3Bfc3RvcmllcwRzbGsDYnJhemlscmVjb3Zl


Officials: No doubt wreckage is from Flight 447

AP


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Brazil's Air Force official Henry Munhoz, shows a graphic of the area where AP – Brazil's Air Force official Henry Munhoz, shows a graphic of the area where bodies from the Air France …
By MARCO SIBAJA and ALAN CLENDENNING, Associated Press Writers Marco Sibaja And Alan Clendenning, Associated Press Writers – 1 hr 13 mins ago

RECIFE, Brazil – With 17 bodies pulled so far from the Atlantic, Brazilian and French military ships have no doubt they've located the wreckage of an Air France flight a week after it disappeared en route from Rio de Janeiro to Paris.

But what caused the Airbus A330 to crash with 228 people on board will remain a mystery — unless searchers can locate the plane's black box data and voice recorders, likely buried deep in the middle of the ocean.

Two high-tech devices from the U.S. Navy that can detect emergency beacons to a depth of 20,000 feet (6,100 meters) are being flown to Brazil on Monday with a U.S. Navy team, according to the Pentagon. They will be delivered to two French tugs that will listen for transmissions from the boxes.

Bodies recovered Sunday raised the total to 17, after pilots participating in a grid search found 15 corpses in an area about 45 miles (70 kilometers) from where the jet sent out messages signaling electrical failures and loss of cabin pressure.

The first two bodies were found Saturday. Authorities also announced that searchers spotted two airplane seats, debris with Air France's logo, and recovered dozens of structural components from the plane. They had already recovered jet wing fragments, and said hundreds of personal items believed to be passengers' belongings were plucked from the water.

France is leading the investigation into the cause of the crash, while Brazilian officials are focusing solely on the recovery of victims and plane wreckage.

There is "no more doubt" that the wreckage is from Air France Flight 447, Brazilian Air Force Col. Henry Munhoz said Sunday.

Brazil's military was not releasing detailed information about other bodies or debris spotted from the air after it was criticized last week for mistakenly identifying sea trash as a cargo pallet from the plane.

Flight 447 disappeared and likely broke up in midair in turbulent weather the night of May 31.

The search is focusing on a zone of several hundred square miles (square kilometers) roughly 400 miles (640 kilometers) northeast of the Fernando de Noronha islands off Brazil's northern coast.

Brazilian authorities have refused since the search began to release the precise coordinates of where they are looking, except to say the area lies southeast of the last jet transmission and could have indicated the pilot was trying to turn around in mid-flight and head to the islands.

The investigation is increasingly focused on whether external instruments on the Airbus A330 may have iced over, confusing speed sensors and leading computers to set the plane's speed too fast or slow — a potentially deadly mistake.

The French agency investigating the disaster said airspeed instruments on the plane had not been replaced as the maker had recommended, but cautioned that it was too early to draw conclusions about what role that may have played in the crash.

The agency, BEA, said the plane received inconsistent airspeed readings from different instruments as it struggled in a massive thunderstorm.

Nine bodies have been recovered by Brazilian authorities: four men, four women and one that was impossible to identify by gender, Munhoz said. He said he did not have information about the genders of the eight bodies recovered by French military helicopters that were transferred to a French ship.

Munhoz and Brazilian Navy Capt. Giucemar Tabosa Cardoso declined to comment on the condition of the bodies, saying that information would be too emotionally painful for relatives.

Neither would authorities immediately identify hundreds of personal items that have been recovered. Relatives of the victims were devastated by an announcement Saturday that a laptop computer and briefcase containing a plane ticket had been found.

"We don't want to cause them more suffering," Munhoz said.

The bodies and plane wreckage were being transported by Brazilian and French ships and should arrive Tuesday at the Fernando de Noronha islands, where the military has set up a staging post for the search operation. From there, remains and debris will be taken to the northeastern coastal city of Recife for identification.

Munhoz would not say Sunday how far apart the bodies had been found. He referred questions to French authorities on whether the locations of the bodies could help determine whether the plane broke up in the air.

Meanwhile, friends and family remembered geologist Michael Prince Harris and his wife, Anne Debaillon Harris — the only U.S. citizens on the plane — in a memorial service Sunday in Lafayette, Louisiana.

The couple had lived in Lafayette before moving to Houston and then Brazil.

The Pentagon has said there are no signs of terrorism. Brazil's defense minister said the possibility was never considered. French Foreign Minister Bernard Kouchner agreed that there is no evidence supporting a "terrorism theory," but said "we cannot discard that for now."

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Marco Sibaja reported from Recife and Alan Clendenning from Sao Paulo. AP Writers Emma Vandore and Greg Keller in Paris, Stan Lehman in Sao Paulo, and David McFadden in Puerto Rico contributed to this report.
 

VIBGYOR

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Airbus already advised Air France to replace the air speed instrument because of a known icing risk that will cause autopilot to be shut down. And this is an issue with Airbus & Air France actually. Why Airbus got such a faulty and unsafe device on the A330?

That should not be the question, the question should be, are our planes still equipped with such faulty and unsafe devices?

Heck! I don't fly SIA, not my problem....:biggrin:
 

borom

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.....when did Mr. Chew became the airplanes expert?

Even the manufacturer diam diam, he dares to talk cock some more?

Good point .
Seems to be following lead of the 'parent'- no different from saying losses are all long term investments while gains due to ability of the CEO.
 

McDollar

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boeing is build by USA and Japan

Japs & US also speaks different languages. Don't conflict yourself.

I will never TRUST Japs & US.

Honda Accord had how many times broke apart into front-back halves in Singapore upon impact?

US F-15 also broke apart into halves in mid-air.

Why so silly to trust Japan & USA? I will NEVER!
 

TeeKee

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German Engineering is DA BEST!

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mudskipper

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Very good example you gave.

If Honda Civic broke apart into pieces when driven in a storm, and bits & pieces are everywhere and need days to search and recover.

Will you then still say Honda Civic was safe then?

goodness gracious mother of mary!!! like that kinda anology also u dare to post?

ppl always say... "keep quiet and appear smart. dont open your mouth to confirm your stupidity."
 

mudskipper

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That should not be the question, the question should be, are our planes still equipped with such faulty and unsafe devices?

Heck! I don't fly SIA, not my problem....:biggrin:

yes yes! all our planes are faulty and full of engineering shortcomings!

hahaha... hope u r pleased with the answer and are happy now. :smile:
 

knnpapccb

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To observe the fringe issues around this aviation lost:

1. Brazilian navy and airforce are quite capable.

2. French navy and airforce are quite useless.

3. USA is too poor and weak now to offer much help via navy & airforce.

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Brazilian so far had made most of the progress of search & recovery, successfully confirmed the location of crash and recovered properties and corpses.

French Chow Boh Lan, sent forces but come up with no useful results.

USA could not afford to send much resources, indicating financial and operational budget constrains. US only loaned so OLD equipment for underwater listening to help search for black box. The US initially sent a plane for searching at the time when there was totally no clue. After the Brazilian found oil patch USA stopped.

US have the most of subs and underwater recovery and salvage capabilities in the world, but they are so financially broke right now. They once had all the satellite, aircrafts, ships, subs, robots & even trained dolphins for underwater search & recovery operations. But like the ex-Soviet which was once strong before, once the finance & economic crisis set in and decayed the superpower, their military and other EXPENSIVE capabilities starts to rot away and never return.

The Soviet is already gone, Russia is their replacement. When the USA is gone, some new entity will have to replace it too.


http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090608...lYwN5bl90b3Bfc3RvcmllcwRzbGsDdXN0ZWNobm9sb2d5

US technology heads to Brazil for black box search

By MARCO SIBAJA and ALAN CLENDENNING, Associated Press Writers Marco Sibaja And Alan Clendenning, Associated Press Writers – 44 mins ago

RECIFE, Brazil – A U.S. Navy team was flying to Brazil on Monday with high-tech underwater listening devices to help the search for the black boxes from an Air France plane that crashed into the Atlantic Ocean.

Brazilian and French military ships, which have so far recovered 17 bodies and large amounts of plane wreckage from the sea, resumed their search amid the floating debris.

What caused the Airbus A330 to crash May 31 with 228 people on board will remain a mystery unless searchers can locate the plane's black box flight data and voice recorders, likely buried deep in the middle of the ocean.

Two U.S. Navy devices that can detect emergency beacons to a depth of 20,000 feet (6,100 meters) are being flown to Brazil with a Navy team, according to the Pentagon. They will be delivered to ships that will then listen for transmissions from the black boxes, which are programmed to emit signals for at least 30 days.

Seventeen bodies were recovered Saturday and Sunday about 45 miles (70 kilometers) from where the jet sent out messages signaling electrical failures and loss of cabin pressure.

Authorities also announced that searchers spotted two airplane seats and debris with Air France's logo, and recovered dozens of structural components from the plane. They had already recovered jet wing fragments, and said hundreds of personal items believed to from passengers were plucked from the water.

Brazilian President Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva said his nation's military would do all it can to retrieve bodies and return them to relatives.

"We know how significant it is for a family to recover their loved one," Silva said Monday on his weekly radio show. He added: "During this painful time it's not going to resolve the problem, but it is an immense comfort to know they can bury their loved ones."

France is leading the investigation into the cause of the crash, while Brazilian officials are focusing on the recovery of victims and wreckage from Flight 447, which likely broke up in midair in turbulent weather the night of May 31 en route from Rio de Janeiro to Paris.

French military spokesman Christophe Prazuck said the nuclear attack submarine Emeraude would arrive at the scene later this week and "will try to find the acoustic pings emitted by the black box."

The Ventose, a French military frigate, arrived Sunday and is now under Brazil command, Prazuck said. That ship has found and brought aboard seven of the 17 bodies of victims discovered so far, and about 30 pieces of debris that "most probably come from the plane," Prazuck said.

A French navy ship, the Mistral, is headed to the site, he said, and the oceanographic survey ship Pourquoi Pas, equipped with deep-water unmanned subs, is also en route and will try to retrieve the black box.

The search is focusing on a zone of several hundred square miles (square kilometers) roughly 400 miles (640 kilometers) northeast of the Fernando de Noronha islands off Brazil's northern coast.

Brazilian authorities have refused to release the precise coordinates of where they are looking, except to say the area lies southeast of the last jet transmission and could have indicated the pilot was trying to turn around in mid-flight and head back to the islands.

The investigation is increasingly focused on whether external instruments on the Airbus A330 may have iced over, confusing speed sensors and leading computers to set the plane's speed too fast or slow — a potentially deadly mistake.

The French agency investigating the disaster said airspeed instruments on the plane had not been replaced as the maker had recommended, but cautioned that it was too early to draw conclusions about what role that may have played in the crash.

The agency, BEA, said the plane received inconsistent airspeed readings from different instruments as it struggled in a massive thunderstorm.

Munhoz and Brazilian Navy Capt. Giucemar Tabosa Cardoso declined to comment on the condition of the bodies, saying that information would be too emotionally painful for relatives.

Neither would authorities immediately identify hundreds of personal items that have been recovered. Relatives of the victims were devastated by an announcement Saturday that a laptop computer and briefcase containing a plane ticket had been found.

"We don't want to cause them more suffering," Munhoz said.

The bodies and plane wreckage were being transported by Brazilian and French ships and should arrive Tuesday at the Fernando de Noronha islands, where the military has set up a staging post for the search operation. From there, remains and debris will be taken to the northeastern coastal city of Recife for identification.

Meanwhile, friends and family remembered geologist Michael Prince Harris and his wife, Anne Debaillon Harris — the only U.S. citizens on the plane — in a memorial service Sunday in Lafayette, Louisiana.

The couple had lived in Lafayette before moving to Houston and then Brazil.

The Pentagon has said there are no signs that terrorism was involved in the crash. French officials have also said there are no signs, but that terrorism has not been ruled out. Brazil's defense minister said the possibility wasn't considered.
 

mudskipper

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To observe the fringe issues around this aviation lost:

1. Brazilian navy and airforce are quite capable.

2. French navy and airforce are quite useless.

3. USA is too poor and weak now to offer much help via navy & airforce.

waaaa... u very expert analyst hor. :smile:
 

singveld

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German Engineering is DA BEST!

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oh sorry to burst your bubble, OPEL car are designed in detroit USA. it is USA engineering, german/UK/Belgium workmanship.

since opel is sold to canadian and russian companies.

this will be the last opel built in R&D in detroit USA.

As a vectra replacement, it is pretty nice, but the price is much too high for the quality.

for the price, what about AUDI.
 

motormafia

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hello, the modern passenger jet cannot fly so high above that storm.

the plane cannot anyhow divert too much from the designated route.
the storm was huge.

A330 cruise altitude is 35,000ft but that is only for purpose of max fuel economy not the absolute constrain of the plane. The max operating altitude of A330 is 41,000ft.

As you can see the storm is much less at 41,000ft.

That is usually true for common Columbus clouds that bottoms are large & heavy weather the top is calmer than the bottom. The air is dense and moisture is thick and heavy at the bottom, the top is thiner and lighter & safer.
 

mudskipper

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That is usually true for common Columbus clouds that bottoms are large & heavy weather the top is calmer than the bottom.

waaa... is that why they call it "Columbus cloud"??? bcoz christopher columbus explored across the atlantic ocean... where the plane crash?

should have been u piloting airfrance 447. then everything would have been ok. :smile:

perhaps u like to look up cumulus or cumulonimbus... and correct your facts a little.
 
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singveld

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A330 cruise altitude is 35,000ft but that is only for purpose of max fuel economy not the absolute constrain of the plane. The max operating altitude of A330 is 41,000ft.

As you can see the storm is much less at 41,000ft.

That is usually true for common Columbus clouds that bottoms are large & heavy weather the top is calmer than the bottom. The air is dense and moisture is thick and heavy at the bottom, the top is thiner and lighter & safer.

the plane do not have the power to fly so high, the thiner and lighter the air, the more fuel economy it is.
the plane are fully loaded. you think they can fly at 41000 ft?
not possible.
 

potato29

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the plane do not have the power to fly so high, the thiner and lighter the air, the more fuel economy it is.
the plane are fully loaded. you think they can fly at 41000 ft?
not possible.

possible lah. that's the max altitude it suppose to fly safely and with out harm to plane. maybe can go higher also but may break apart;-).
 

motormafia

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the plane do not have the power to fly so high, the thiner and lighter the air, the more fuel economy it is.
the plane are fully loaded. you think they can fly at 41000 ft?
not possible.

You should do Internet search. :wink:

By engineering considerations, it is in the design of wings + engines essentially.

Concorde goes at 50,000ft. I searched and found Airbus A330 can go 41,000ft.

http://en.allexperts.com/q/Careers-Flying-Aviation-1492/Airbus-A330-200.htm

Number of seats: 249
Average speed km/h: 870
Max altitude feet: 41,000
Max. take-off weight kg: 230,000
Max. range km: 10,500 (6400NM)
Length m: 58.37
Wingspan m: 60.3
Engines: Pratt & Whitney




http://www.osti.gov/bridge/servlets/purl/325165-CGBpdf/webviewable/325165.pdf
 

motormafia

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waaa... is that why they call it "Columbus cloud"??? bcoz christopher columbus explored across the atlantic ocean... where the plane crash?

should have been u piloting airfrance 447. then everything would have been ok. :smile:

perhaps u like to look up cumulus or cumulonimbus... and correct your facts a little.

I noticed I posted with the mistake after posting. But I don't border to edit. This is unimportant here. The argument is the Cb can be avoided and the info is given to pilot in the cockpit. The air traffic controllers also should guide the pilots to avoid severe weather by diverting or even turning back the flight.

Planes usually divert by going around. Some time by going above, but climbing up cost more fuel. Don't bother me with Columbus Cb. OK?
 
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