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Re: RSN Has Yet to Make Any Meaningful Contributions to AirAsia Crash Search
not enough. National day awards to come.
A photo op session and material for the Pioneer magazine... isn't that a meaningful contribution?
not enough. National day awards to come.
Re: RSN Has Yet to Make Any Meaningful Contributions to AirAsia Crash Search
They found a WINDOW....like playing " masak, masak"...boss, tell me to go there, we go, but we will search the safest sector to "play" with our equipment, cannot play, play!...lost..sign, what is that form number I forgot...& every weekend burn...so, play safe, pretend, find one window, tale picture...& later in the year, receive an award & thanks from Air Asia etc..
ha ha ha ha
A photo op session and material for the Pioneer magazine... isn't that a meaningful contribution?
They found a WINDOW....like playing " masak, masak"...boss, tell me to go there, we go, but we will search the safest sector to "play" with our equipment, cannot play, play!...lost..sign, what is that form number I forgot...& every weekend burn...so, play safe, pretend, find one window, tale picture...& later in the year, receive an award & thanks from Air Asia etc..
ha ha ha ha
Re: ShitSkin Airline AirAsia - Breaking all the Rules
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AirAsia Flight QZ8501: Carrier confirms Surabaya-Singapore route suspended; plane was flying on unauthorised schedule
Published on Jan 3, 2015 4:05 PM
JAKARTA - Indonesia Air Asia confirmed that its Surabaya-Singapore route has been suspended by Indonesia's transport ministry but said it would not comment on the matter until the government completes its investigation.
"We are aware the government is doing evaluation process to investigate. In that regard, AirAsia management would fully cooperate with the government in the evaluation,'' said Mr Sunu Widyatmoko, President Director of AirAsia Indonesia.
"We, the management of AirAsia, would not make any comment or statement in that period of the evaluation process until the evaluation report is completed."
The transport ministry said earlier that AirAsia flight QZ8501 that went missing last Sunday was flying on an unauthorised schedule. The flight time had not been cleared by officials, said director-general of air transport Djoko Murjatmodjo.
"It violated the route permit given, the schedule given, that's the problem," he told AFP. "AirAsia's permit for the route has been frozen because it violated the route permit given."
The ministry said "customers who have booked AirAsia's Surabaya-Singapore tickets should be compensated with other airline tickets as per the existing regulation."
A statement from transport ministry spokesman J.A. Barata said AirAsia was not permitted to fly the Surabaya-Singapore route on Sundays and had not asked to change its schedule.
Search teams have narrowed their hunt for the plane's fuselage and remaining bodies from the crash of the Airbus A320-200, with foreign investigators helping to pinpoint its black boxes, crucial to determining the cause of the crash off the island of Borneo.
Rough weather has in recent days hampered the search for the plane, which is believed to be in relatively shallow water of around 25m to 32m. So far 30 bodies and various items of debris have been recovered.
The search is now focused on an area of 45 by 35 nautical miles, centred about 75 nautical miles south-west of Pangkalan Bun, a town in Central Kalimantan on Borneo.
The families of victims have been preparing funerals as the bodies recovered are identified in Surabaya, where a crisis centre has been set up at a police hospital with facilities to store 150 bodies.
Before take-off, the pilot of Flight 8501 had asked for permission to fly at a higher altitude to avoid a storm, but the request was not approved due to other planes above him on the popular route, according to AirNav, Indonesia's air traffic control.
In his last communication shortly before all contact was lost, he said he wanted to change course to avoid the menacing storm system.
(SOURCE: AFP, Wahyudi Soeriaatmadja in Jakarta)
Now they admit, knn -
AirAsia Flight QZ8501: Carrier confirms Surabaya-Singapore route suspended; plane was flying on unauthorised schedule
Published on Jan 3, 2015 4:05 PM
JAKARTA - Indonesia Air Asia confirmed that its Surabaya-Singapore route has been suspended by Indonesia's transport ministry but said it would not comment on the matter until the government completes its investigation.
"We are aware the government is doing evaluation process to investigate. In that regard, AirAsia management would fully cooperate with the government in the evaluation,'' said Mr Sunu Widyatmoko, President Director of AirAsia Indonesia.
"We, the management of AirAsia, would not make any comment or statement in that period of the evaluation process until the evaluation report is completed."
The transport ministry said earlier that AirAsia flight QZ8501 that went missing last Sunday was flying on an unauthorised schedule. The flight time had not been cleared by officials, said director-general of air transport Djoko Murjatmodjo.
"It violated the route permit given, the schedule given, that's the problem," he told AFP. "AirAsia's permit for the route has been frozen because it violated the route permit given."
The ministry said "customers who have booked AirAsia's Surabaya-Singapore tickets should be compensated with other airline tickets as per the existing regulation."
A statement from transport ministry spokesman J.A. Barata said AirAsia was not permitted to fly the Surabaya-Singapore route on Sundays and had not asked to change its schedule.
Search teams have narrowed their hunt for the plane's fuselage and remaining bodies from the crash of the Airbus A320-200, with foreign investigators helping to pinpoint its black boxes, crucial to determining the cause of the crash off the island of Borneo.
Rough weather has in recent days hampered the search for the plane, which is believed to be in relatively shallow water of around 25m to 32m. So far 30 bodies and various items of debris have been recovered.
The search is now focused on an area of 45 by 35 nautical miles, centred about 75 nautical miles south-west of Pangkalan Bun, a town in Central Kalimantan on Borneo.
The families of victims have been preparing funerals as the bodies recovered are identified in Surabaya, where a crisis centre has been set up at a police hospital with facilities to store 150 bodies.
Before take-off, the pilot of Flight 8501 had asked for permission to fly at a higher altitude to avoid a storm, but the request was not approved due to other planes above him on the popular route, according to AirNav, Indonesia's air traffic control.
In his last communication shortly before all contact was lost, he said he wanted to change course to avoid the menacing storm system.
(SOURCE: AFP, Wahyudi Soeriaatmadja in Jakarta)
https://sg.news.yahoo.com/contact-w...r-singapore-from-surabaya-lost-033803688.html
DAY 7 (Saturday):
Four large objects were detected on the sea floor on Saturday – a discovery that signals a breakthrough in the hunt for the wreckage of AirAsia QZ8501.
Search and rescue crew are sending underwater remote-operated vehicles to take underwater pictures of the location where the main wreckage and two large objects were spotted but rough seas are making it difficult.
The biggest piece measures 18 metres long and 5.4 metres wide and appears to be part of the plane’s body, said chief of the National Search and Rescue Agency Henry Bambang Soelistyo.
Officials hope to find more of the 162 passengers and crew still strapped in their seats inside.
Indonesian authorities also grounded AirAsia flights from Surabaya to Singapore. Indonesia's Transport Ministry says flight QZ8501 had been flying on an unauthorised schedule when it crashed. Singapore’s Civil Aviation Authority however, said the airline was approved to fly the route daily.
Indonesia plans to investigate AirAsia’s flight schedules. Djoko Murdjatmodjo, Indonesia’s acting Director General of Air Transportation said it is possible that AirAsia’s license in Indonesia could be revoked.
Meanwhile, a report by Indonesia’s weather bureau suggests that the formation of ice in storm clouds caused by extreme bad weather may have caused the crash of AirAsia flight QZ8501. “The most probable weather phenomenon is that icing caused the plane engines to be damaged," Indonesia's Met agency says in a 14-page report.
DAY 7 (Saturday):
Four large objects were detected on the sea floor on Saturday – a discovery that signals a breakthrough in the hunt for the wreckage of AirAsia QZ8501.
Search and rescue crew are sending underwater remote-operated vehicles to take underwater pictures of the location where the main wreckage and two large objects were spotted but rough seas are making it difficult.
The biggest piece measures 18 metres long and 5.4 metres wide and appears to be part of the plane’s body, said chief of the National Search and Rescue Agency Henry Bambang Soelistyo.
Officials hope to find more of the 162 passengers and crew still strapped in their seats inside.
Indonesian authorities also grounded AirAsia flights from Surabaya to Singapore. Indonesia's Transport Ministry says flight QZ8501 had been flying on an unauthorised schedule when it crashed. Singapore’s Civil Aviation Authority however, said the airline was approved to fly the route daily.
Indonesia plans to investigate AirAsia’s flight schedules. Djoko Murdjatmodjo, Indonesia’s acting Director General of Air Transportation said it is possible that AirAsia’s license in Indonesia could be revoked.
Meanwhile, a report by Indonesia’s weather bureau suggests that the formation of ice in storm clouds caused by extreme bad weather may have caused the crash of AirAsia flight QZ8501. “The most probable weather phenomenon is that icing caused the plane engines to be damaged," Indonesia's Met agency says in a 14-page report.
So what is your point? God's grace that this Air Crash happen? You think you can personified God to be the Bad guy?
Well your Christian Friends WILL tell you that it is God's Grace that all those airplane trips that we take, they are ALL safe and it was God's Grace.
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Re: Karma to Tony AirAsia Tony Fernandes - Your Plane Will Never Get Lost
Weather blamed for AirAsia crash, as Indonesia says jet flying unauthorised route
New revelations emerge that crashed plane's flight path was unauthorised as recovery teams find significant parts of wreckage in ocean
PUBLISHED : Sunday, 04 January, 2015, 5:02am
UPDATED : Sunday, 04 January, 2015, 10:13am
Agence France-Presse in Pangkalan Bun
Bodies found at sea are flown to Surabaya yesterday. Photo: Reuters
Weather was the “triggering factor” in the crash of AirAsia Flight 8501 into the Java Sea a week ago with 162 people on board, according to Indonesia’s meteorological agency.
The Airbus A320-200 crashed during a storm en route from Indonesia’s second city Surabaya to Singapore.
While search teams hunt for the aircraft's black boxes that will tell what happened to the plane in its last minutes, an initial report on the website of BMKG, Indonesia’s meteorological agency, suggests the weather at the time the plane went down sparked the disaster.
“Based on the available data received on the location of the aircraft’s last contact, the weather was the triggering factor behind the accident,” said a report on the agency’s website.
The report said the aircraft appeared to have flown into storm clouds.
“The most probable weather phenomenon was icing which can cause engine damage due to a cooling process. This is just one of the possibilities that occurred based on the analysis of existing meteorological data,” it said.
The statement comes as four large parts of the plane were found on the seabed, and as Indonesia pledged to investigate flight violations by AirAsia.
The country's transport ministry said the ill-fated aircraft had been flying on an unauthorised schedule when it crashed, and the airline has now been suspended from flying the route from the city of Surabaya to Singapore.
"It violated the route permit given, the schedule given, that's the problem," director general of air transport, Djoko Murjatmodjo, said.
He said AirAsia's permit for the route would be suspended until investigations were completed, while other airlines in the country would also be examined.
"We will carry out an audit or an evaluation on all airlines in Indonesia over whether there are any violations related to route, time and schedule," he said.
Major parts of the Airbus A320-200 were found in the Java Sea off the island of Borneo late Friday and yesterday, raising hopes that the remaining bodies and the black box recorders, crucial to determining the cause of the crash, would soon be located.
But no bodies had been found since Friday, when the total recovered stood at 30, because rough seas had prevented diving operations, officials said. Toos Sanitioso, an investigator from Indonesia's KNKT (National Transportation Safety Committee), said he was hopeful they would find the all-important black boxes within a few days. "It seems that they have found the major [plane] parts," he said.
A presentation described one of the debris pieces as the "suspected tail" of the plane, but strong currents were making it difficult to operate a remotely operated underwater vehicle to get a picture of the objects that are 30 metres underwater.
The huge relief operation has been assisted by several countries, including the United States and Russia, but rough weather throughout the week has hampered the recovery of Flight QZ8501, which went down a week ago today during a storm.
A statement from the Indonesian transport ministry aid AirAsia Indonesia had not been permitted to fly the Surabaya-Singapore route on Sundays and had not asked to change its schedule.
But the Civil Aviation Authority of Singapore said it had granted permission for the airline's Sunday flight.It was unclear how the airline, a unit of Malaysia-based AirAsia, had been able to fly without the necessary authorisation from its starting point.
AirAsia Indonesia chief Sunu Widyatmoko said the company would not comment until the results of the investigation were known, adding that the airline would "fully cooperate with the government in that evaluation process".
Before take-off, the pilot had asked for permission to fly at a higher altitude to avoid a storm, but the request was not approved due to other planes above him on the popular route, according to AirNav, Indonesia's air traffic control. Then all contact was lost, about 40 minutes after the plane had taken off.
Weather blamed for AirAsia crash, as Indonesia says jet flying unauthorised route
New revelations emerge that crashed plane's flight path was unauthorised as recovery teams find significant parts of wreckage in ocean
PUBLISHED : Sunday, 04 January, 2015, 5:02am
UPDATED : Sunday, 04 January, 2015, 10:13am
Agence France-Presse in Pangkalan Bun
Bodies found at sea are flown to Surabaya yesterday. Photo: Reuters
Weather was the “triggering factor” in the crash of AirAsia Flight 8501 into the Java Sea a week ago with 162 people on board, according to Indonesia’s meteorological agency.
The Airbus A320-200 crashed during a storm en route from Indonesia’s second city Surabaya to Singapore.
While search teams hunt for the aircraft's black boxes that will tell what happened to the plane in its last minutes, an initial report on the website of BMKG, Indonesia’s meteorological agency, suggests the weather at the time the plane went down sparked the disaster.
“Based on the available data received on the location of the aircraft’s last contact, the weather was the triggering factor behind the accident,” said a report on the agency’s website.
The report said the aircraft appeared to have flown into storm clouds.
“The most probable weather phenomenon was icing which can cause engine damage due to a cooling process. This is just one of the possibilities that occurred based on the analysis of existing meteorological data,” it said.
The statement comes as four large parts of the plane were found on the seabed, and as Indonesia pledged to investigate flight violations by AirAsia.
The country's transport ministry said the ill-fated aircraft had been flying on an unauthorised schedule when it crashed, and the airline has now been suspended from flying the route from the city of Surabaya to Singapore.
"It violated the route permit given, the schedule given, that's the problem," director general of air transport, Djoko Murjatmodjo, said.
He said AirAsia's permit for the route would be suspended until investigations were completed, while other airlines in the country would also be examined.
"We will carry out an audit or an evaluation on all airlines in Indonesia over whether there are any violations related to route, time and schedule," he said.
Major parts of the Airbus A320-200 were found in the Java Sea off the island of Borneo late Friday and yesterday, raising hopes that the remaining bodies and the black box recorders, crucial to determining the cause of the crash, would soon be located.
But no bodies had been found since Friday, when the total recovered stood at 30, because rough seas had prevented diving operations, officials said. Toos Sanitioso, an investigator from Indonesia's KNKT (National Transportation Safety Committee), said he was hopeful they would find the all-important black boxes within a few days. "It seems that they have found the major [plane] parts," he said.
A presentation described one of the debris pieces as the "suspected tail" of the plane, but strong currents were making it difficult to operate a remotely operated underwater vehicle to get a picture of the objects that are 30 metres underwater.
The huge relief operation has been assisted by several countries, including the United States and Russia, but rough weather throughout the week has hampered the recovery of Flight QZ8501, which went down a week ago today during a storm.
A statement from the Indonesian transport ministry aid AirAsia Indonesia had not been permitted to fly the Surabaya-Singapore route on Sundays and had not asked to change its schedule.
But the Civil Aviation Authority of Singapore said it had granted permission for the airline's Sunday flight.It was unclear how the airline, a unit of Malaysia-based AirAsia, had been able to fly without the necessary authorisation from its starting point.
AirAsia Indonesia chief Sunu Widyatmoko said the company would not comment until the results of the investigation were known, adding that the airline would "fully cooperate with the government in that evaluation process".
Before take-off, the pilot had asked for permission to fly at a higher altitude to avoid a storm, but the request was not approved due to other planes above him on the popular route, according to AirNav, Indonesia's air traffic control. Then all contact was lost, about 40 minutes after the plane had taken off.
Prayers held as divers thwarted from AirAsia site
By EILEEN NG
Jan. 4, 2015 6:16 AM EST
Members of Mawar Sharon church attend a prayer service in Surabaya, East Java, Indonesia Sunday, Jan. 4, 2015. About 40 members of Mantofa's church died in the crash of AirAsia Flight 8501 which took place on Dec. 28, 2014. (AP Photo/Firdia Lisnawati)
SURABAYA, Indonesia (AP) — Around 100 family members of AirAsia Flight 8501 crash victims sought strength Sunday, one week after the disaster, while bad weather again prevented searchers from reaching a large object on the ocean floor that is believed to be the fuselage.
Emotionally exhausted relatives sang and cried at a tiny chapel in Surabaya, the city where the plane departed from last Sunday with 162 crew members and passengers. The Rev. Philip Mantofa, who heads the congregation at the city's Mawar Sharon Church — where more than a quarter of the crash victims were members — urged those gathered to find comfort in their faith while embracing the reality that no one survived the disaster.
"If God has called your child, allow me to say this: Your child is not to be pitied," Mantofa told one Indonesian man seated in the front row. "Your child is already in God's arms. One day, your family will be reunited in heaven."
It is not clear what caused the Singapore-bound plane to crash into the Java Sea 42 minutes after taking off on what was supposed to be a two-hour flight. Minutes before losing contact, the pilot told air traffic control that he was approaching threatening clouds, but was denied permission to climb to a higher altitude because of heavy air traffic.
Despite an intensive international search-and-recovery operation, only 31 bodies have been found so far, in large part because of bad weather. But after detecting what appears to be a massive part of the fuselage on Saturday, officials said it was possible that many passengers and crew will be found inside the wreckage.
Divers waited for breaks in the weather Sunday to reach the site, but rolling seas stirred up silt and m&d, leaving them with zero visibility, said Henry Bambang Soelistyo, chief of Indonesia's National Search and Rescue Agency. They were forced to turn back because conditions were so bad.
"At this moment, it's impossible to send any divers," he said. "We'll wait until the weather gets better."
Twenty planes and helicopters were deployed Sunday together with 27 ships from Indonesia, Japan, Malaysia, Singapore and the United States. All were desperately searching for any sign of the all-important black boxes and pieces of the Airbus A320.
The investigation got a huge boost this weekend when sonar equipment identified five large objects on the seabed in the search area, but no images have been captured confirming they are part of the AirAsia plane.
The biggest piece of debris, measuring 18 meters (59 feet) long and 5.4 meters (18 feet) wide, appeared to be part of the fuselage, Soelistyo said. Four other chunks were found in the same area, including one detected on Sunday.
Suspected plane parts also were seen scattered on beaches during an aerial survey.
Indonesian authorities have announced the grounding of AirAsia flights from Surabaya to Singapore, with the Transport Ministry saying the airline did not have a permit to fly on Sundays. However, Singapore's Civil Aviation Authority said Saturday that from its end, the airline had been approved to fly the route daily.
AirAsia, which began operations in 2001 and quickly became one of the region's most popular low-cost carriers, said it was reviewing the suspension. The crash was the airline's first.
While Indonesia is predominantly Muslim, many of the passengers were Christians of Chinese descent. Mantofa's congregation was hit particularly hard, with more than a quarter of the victims — coming from 13 families — belonging to his large Penecostal church.
Following Sunday's chapel service, Edo Anggradinata, 52, said he was finally starting to let go of the hope that his sister and her two children had survived.
"My mind is still in a daze," he said. "If there is a miracle, I hope they are alive, but I know this is tough. I just pray that we find their bodies."
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Associated Press writers Niniek Karmini, Ali Kotarumalos, Margie Mason and Robin McDowell in Jakarta, Indonesia, contributed to this report.
AirAsia crash is a setup by Islamic nutjobs
’Crashed AirAsia jet’s pilots did not get weather report’
Jakarta, Jan 4, 2015, (PTI): AirAsia Indonesia allegedly violated standard procedures which resulted in the pilots of the airline’s doomed plane not receiving a required weather report before takeoff, a media report has said citing leaked official documents.
The Jakarta Post reported that the leaked documents have given rise to allegations that AirAsia Indonesia violated procedures that lead to the crash of the Flight QZ8501 carrying 162 people in the Java Sea.
The first allegation came to light in a leaked document that was originally sent by the Meteorology, Climatology and Geophysics Agency (BMKG) to Transportation Minister Ignatius Jonan on Wednesday, showing that the pilots of the flight had not received a required weather report from the agency.
"AirAsia took the (BMKG) weather report at 7 AM," on December 28, the day of the crash, BMKG head Andi E Sakya said.
The time was after the plane’s departure from Surabaya’s Juanda International Airport at 5:35 AM local time.
An AirAsia flight operations officer (FOO) received the report only after the plane lost contact with Jakarta air traffic control at 6:17 AM, the report said.
Former National Transportation Safety Committee (KNKT) investigator Ruth Hanna Simatupang said that pilots were required to obtain weather reports from the BMKG at least 10 minutes before takeoff, it said.
"According to standard procedures, every time pilots chart flight plans, they must consider (BMKG) weather reports. So how could the plane fly without a weather report from the agency?" Hanna was quoted as saying.
She said one factor might be the early-morning departure.
Sunu Widyatmoko, the president director of AirAsia Indonesia, an associate carrier of Malaysian budget airline AirAsia, denied the allegation.
"AirAsia Indonesia really considers and is very careful in evaluating weather reports from the BMKG before every flight," he said.
Sunu said the BMKG’s station at Soekarno-Hatta International Airport sent reports via e-mail four times a day to the AirAsia Indonesia operations center.
"These reports are accepted by the operations control center at all AirAsia Indonesia hubs, which are Jakarta, Medan, Surabaya, Bandung and Denpasar, where they are printed out and kept by pilots," he said.
The agency’s weather map shows that the Surabaya- Singapore route taken by the flight on that day was very cloudy, lending support to the theory that thick cumulonimbus clouds contributed to the crash.
The Transportation Ministry has grounded AirAsia flights from Surabaya to Singapore because the airline allegedly did not have permission to fly on Sundays.
’Crashed AirAsia jet’s pilots did not get weather report’
Jakarta, Jan 4, 2015, (PTI): AirAsia Indonesia allegedly violated standard procedures which resulted in the pilots of the airline’s doomed plane not receiving a required weather report before takeoff, a media report has said citing leaked official documents.
The Jakarta Post reported that the leaked documents have given rise to allegations that AirAsia Indonesia violated procedures that lead to the crash of the Flight QZ8501 carrying 162 people in the Java Sea.
The first allegation came to light in a leaked document that was originally sent by the Meteorology, Climatology and Geophysics Agency (BMKG) to Transportation Minister Ignatius Jonan on Wednesday, showing that the pilots of the flight had not received a required weather report from the agency.
"AirAsia took the (BMKG) weather report at 7 AM," on December 28, the day of the crash, BMKG head Andi E Sakya said.
The time was after the plane’s departure from Surabaya’s Juanda International Airport at 5:35 AM local time.
An AirAsia flight operations officer (FOO) received the report only after the plane lost contact with Jakarta air traffic control at 6:17 AM, the report said.
Former National Transportation Safety Committee (KNKT) investigator Ruth Hanna Simatupang said that pilots were required to obtain weather reports from the BMKG at least 10 minutes before takeoff, it said.
"According to standard procedures, every time pilots chart flight plans, they must consider (BMKG) weather reports. So how could the plane fly without a weather report from the agency?" Hanna was quoted as saying.
She said one factor might be the early-morning departure.
Sunu Widyatmoko, the president director of AirAsia Indonesia, an associate carrier of Malaysian budget airline AirAsia, denied the allegation.
"AirAsia Indonesia really considers and is very careful in evaluating weather reports from the BMKG before every flight," he said.
Sunu said the BMKG’s station at Soekarno-Hatta International Airport sent reports via e-mail four times a day to the AirAsia Indonesia operations center.
"These reports are accepted by the operations control center at all AirAsia Indonesia hubs, which are Jakarta, Medan, Surabaya, Bandung and Denpasar, where they are printed out and kept by pilots," he said.
The agency’s weather map shows that the Surabaya- Singapore route taken by the flight on that day was very cloudy, lending support to the theory that thick cumulonimbus clouds contributed to the crash.
The Transportation Ministry has grounded AirAsia flights from Surabaya to Singapore because the airline allegedly did not have permission to fly on Sundays.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-30667443
US 7 year old girl survives a plane crash...any Air Asia survivors?
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A seven-year-old girl who survived a plane crash in the US state of Kentucky and walked barefoot to find help has been praised for her courage.
US 7 year old girl survives a plane crash...any Air Asia survivors?
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A seven-year-old girl who survived a plane crash in the US state of Kentucky and walked barefoot to find help has been praised for her courage.
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