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154th: HDB Buyers Too Choosy Woh!

makapaaa

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Sep 20, 2009
Are flats too pricey or buyers too choosy?

Experts advise buyers to keep an open mind in terms of location, size
By Mavis Toh

Mr Jason Zheng is getting married next month, but he and his fiancee have yet to find a place of their own.

The 27-year-old IT consultant does not want to wait three years for a new flat but has been priced out of the resale market due to the current property rally.

Sellers have been asking for cash of up to $60,000 above valuation, which he cannot afford.

He also struck out twice at the Housing Board's half-yearly sale where most of the units on offer are completed.

His dilemma is not unique. In the past month, at least 15 people have written to The Straits Times Forum, venting their frustrations over escalating prices, premiums over official valuations and a perceived undersupply of HDB flats.

But have buyers really encountered a wall when it comes to housing options? Or is it also a matter of some people being too choosy and unrealistic in their expectations?

National Development Minister Mah Bow Tan urged buyers to take a bigger view in Parliament last Monday. For a household that earns $4,000 a month, he said the options might be:


A new five-room flat in Punggol or Woodlands;


A resale five-room flat in Woodlands;


A four-room flat in a popular estate like Tampines; or


A three-room flat in a mature estate like Toa Payoh.

Those in the industry agree that buyers can be narrowly focused.

PropNex chief executive Mohamed Ismail observes that couples are often reluctant to live in the outskirts and want flats in certain good locations where they can move in immediately.

But these places - like Bukit Merah, Tiong Bahru and Clementi - command a high price.

A four-room flat in Toa Payoh can cost up to $535,000 while one in Woodlands is priced less than $250,000.

Agent D. Lim said newlyweds often insist on getting flats near their parents' homes even though the latter may live in mature, pricey estates.

MPs interviewed said they have seen cases where couples turn down new HDB flats because the location was not 'prime' or the unit was on a low floor.

East Coast GRC MP Jessica Tan explained: 'They have preferences, and since a flat is not a small investment, these people tend to be more choosy.'

MPs said newlyweds often go to them for help in getting a home, urging them to intercede with the HDB.

Certainly, housing is a hot issue, especially when prices are climbing.

Last Monday, in Parliament, Mr Mah assured the public that HDB flats remain affordable, noting that eight in 10 Singaporean households qualify for various grants. Still, prices of HDB resale flats are at a historic high, reversing from a first quarter dip of 0.8 per cent to a 1.4 per cent rise in the second quarter.

There is also the rising COV, or cash over valuation. This is the premium which sellers demand over the official valuation.

COV amounts reportedly doubled in July this year to about $10,000 to $15,000 for five-room and executive flats, from a median level of $5,000 in the second quarter.

MPs and industry experts said those most affected are first-time buyers - usually couples unsuccessful in getting build-to-order (BTO) flats and who cannot afford resale flats.

Currently, the HDB uses the BTO system, introduced in 2001. Eligible buyers can apply for flats in their preferred locations from specific projects launched.

It takes about three to four years for the units to be built. Construction will start after a majority of flats are booked.

Previously a queue system, where flats had already been tendered for construction when offered to applicants, was used. Though the system assured buyers of a flat when their turn was due, it did not provide a real gauge of demand as applicants could drop out at will.

This resulted in an oversupply of about 20,000 flats when the Asian financial crisis hit in the late 1990s. The stock was cleared only in 2007.

Now, flats not booked under BTO, surpluses from the Selective En bloc Redevelopment Scheme, surrendered flats or cancelled bookings are made available in balloting exercises as well as half-yearly sales.

To meet increasing demand, HDB said it will offer 8,000 or more BTO flats this year. This compares to 2,400, 6,000 and 8,000 in 2006, 2007 and last year respectively.

A spokesman added: 'The majority of first-time applicants have a chance to select a BTO flat within two tries.'

Given the realities today, industry experts advise buyers to keep an open mind on where to live and the size of the flat.

KF Property Network's general manager Tony Koe recommends that young couples without extra cash should look for units on the fringe of places like Woodlands and Choa Chu Kang, where prices are more in tandem with valuation.

MP Lim Biow Chuan (Marine Parade GRC) also warns couples against overstretching their finances.

'A lot of people are now living on credit; when you buy a large flat and put yourself on a long-term financial commitment, what is going to happen if you are retrenched or fall sick?' he said.

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RE: Are flats too pricey or buyers too choosy? - williamlim - Yesterday 11:31 AM

Cock... Elites are getting out of touch with the people.
When MBT competes with the other elites to buy a house, i'm sure he looks for exactly the same criteria as the peasants and wants to get more value out of his money.
Convenience, Amenities, View, Good location, reasonable price..

So why is it that when a peasant choose a HDB.. it becomes more a functional requirement of "this price can live in this house, dont be choosy" than the same criteria he considers?


<HR SIZE=1><!-- end: printthread_post --><!-- start: printthread_post -->RE: Are flats too pricey or buyers too choosy? - yeokiwi - Yesterday 01:12 PM

ya lar, but elites got money mah and at the same time, there are less elites than peasants.
If all the peasants want to live in queenstown, tiong bahru etc, HDB must build the flats to 1000 storeys.

The true peasants are quite well taken care off in HDB purchase. If the family income is less than S$2500 per month, the total housing grant is $60000.(HG + AHG)
3-room flat in punggol is about $160000, so essentially, the family only pay $100000 for it.
For a 30 yrs loan at 2.6%, the monthly payment is $400. I don't think you can rent a 3-room flat at that kind of price.

Of course, most of the complainants are those sandwiched class. They are neither truely peasants or elites.
But, at the end of the day, flats in good locations are limited and all peasants, non-peasants, almost peasants, not-really peasants, enbloc owners, millionaires are all vying for the flats.
At the end, the only way to separate them is $$$.

I also want to live in the city in a 30 storeys high flat at low low price...
But, I don't have that kind of luck nor money, so I have to content with a flat at the so-called ulu place.
It is not so ulu anyway..haha...

Lastly, I think the government should speed up the BTO a bit. I think it is ok to have some flat surpluses(2000-5000 flats?) since the HDB can hold it indefinitely.


<HR SIZE=1><!-- end: printthread_post --><!-- start: printthread_post -->RE: Are flats too pricey or buyers too choosy? - Flinger - Yesterday 04:41 PM

Well, with this been a hot topic and the the no. of people getting disgruntled is getting larger , It would be an interesting election season.

I know of quite a few people who applied for new HDB and they didn't get it as the quoted " 2 tries". They have no choice but to put themselves at the mercy of the resale flats.

They don't seem to realize that the amount of money that these people are spending is amounting to "20 - 30 yrs" of work. To many of them, this would be their home for he rest of their lives. Would it be unreasonable that they get a good home and are choosy? I understand if you are overly choosey, where they want to best for the lowest cost. But if you look at what people aere asking for is not the best for the lowest cost.

I feel that MBT & HDB is just giving excuses for the current system that is not working. This system is more advantageous to them from a business perspective, but not for the citizens of this country.

It is like the EZLink system, where it is advantageous to the business but to the user, they do not know how many times the user has been overcharged as can be seen by the numerous complains of overcharging.

Only people who are not in touch would start to look at it from a functional perspective and not from the human needs perspective.

Also, there is a large growing no. of singles in Singapore and they are the least supported people, it would be interesting to see what happens.

As I talk to the people around from, most of them have like given up as they feel that their voices are not heard and its useless.

Is Singapore turning into a City for the rich only?
 

Survivor

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Nobody complained about the affordability of HDBs 10, 20 years ago. Even in the last few years, HDBs were still affordable to all. There is definitely a strong demand now.

Buyers become unhappy when they cannot afford to buy the house which they could afford just a few years ago. Imagine a couple saving up for 5 years the downpayment and when they thought they are ready to buy, market shoots up suddenly in a few months!

Maybe Singaporeans have became spoilt brats, always demanding and complaining. If we are told that HDBs are not overpriced, nothing could be done about COV and we are choosy, then live with it.

STOP complaining. Try gardening, make you relax.
 

holyman

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one of the problems causing the high prices are the FTs...esp the china ones...they have apparently found a loophole...for example, a china man and a china girl are in a relationship (both studied at the tertiary level locally), they apply for citizenship, and once they get it, they will bring in their parents names to buy a HDB...imagine they buy 2 flats, stay in one room, and rent out the other 5 rooms, how much will they get in rental per month? they can still get bank loans and sell off the house in 2 years...

As you can see, they are not legally married in SG. So it becomes 2 houses for 2 individuals, and this is how the pigeon hole becomes expensive...we all have in mind who caused this problem...
 

angry_one

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Of course sinkees have the right to complain about housing prices. HDB flats are public housing funding by taxpayers. It's a core duty of the govt to keep prices affordable! But what we see today is HDB manipulating prices to keep them high. It costs very little to build HDB flats, compared to their selling prices.

And I don't see the logic allowing PRs to buy HDB flats, resale or otherwise. There are hordes of single sinkees who can easily afford HDB flats - and are not allowed to. If the govt wants to profit, they can still profit by tapping into this sinkee market.
 

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Nobody complained about the affordability of HDBs 10, 20 years ago. Even in the last few years, HDBs were still affordable to all. There is definitely a strong demand now.

Buyers become unhappy when they cannot afford to buy the house which they could afford just a few years ago. Imagine a couple saving up for 5 years the downpayment and when they thought they are ready to buy, market shoots up suddenly in a few months!

Maybe Singaporeans have became spoilt brats, always demanding and complaining. If we are told that HDBs are not overpriced, nothing could be done about COV and we are choosy, then live with it.

STOP complaining. Try gardening, make you relax.

Agree . 20 years ago no one complain HDB is very expensive. Now after 20 year price is 4~5 time higher on average.
 

kunkin

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Of course sinkees have the right to complain about housing prices. HDB flats are public housing funding by taxpayers. It's a core duty of the govt to keep prices affordable! But what we see today is HDB manipulating prices to keep them high. It costs very little to build HDB flats, compared to their selling prices.

And I don't see the logic allowing PRs to buy HDB flats, resale or otherwise. There are hordes of single sinkees who can easily afford HDB flats - and are not allowed to. If the govt wants to profit, they can still profit by tapping into this sinkee market.

it is not only the singaporeans.. but also a lot other..
 
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