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154th: CPF can’t please everyone. But Must Please the Familee?

makapaaa

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[h=2]ST: CPF can’t please everyone[/h]
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June 8th, 2014 |
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Author: Editorial

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In a Sunday Times’ article today (‘Can’t Please all Fund members’, 8 Jun), it was reported that there are currently 2 main public unhappiness over CPF:

  • CPF members having no say in how much of their income goes into the compulsory savings scheme
  • Rate of CPF return
The first relates to what the CPF members can use the funds for and how much they can withdraw when they stop work, either when they lose their jobs or when they retire.
The people want more flexibility to withdraw their funds should they find themselves, say, jobless.
The second concern arises from the point that CPF returns have not kept pace with inflation in recent years.
The article also highlighted that there is suspicions and conspiracy theories that allege the Govt is changing the rules on the CPF Minimum Sum and withdrawal age because it relies on CPF monies as a cheap source of funds to either enrich itself or to cover up losses by its sovereign wealth fund GIC and investment company Temasek Holdings.
The article then quoted an MOF’s official reply last month [Link], saying that no CPF monies go towards government borrowing as that is prohibited by law.
That is to say, the government does not borrow CPF monies for its budgetary spending. There is no need to anyway, given that Singaporeans have been over-taxed directly and indirectly year-in and year-out, generating government budgetary surplus in almost every year.
The article also echoed MOF’s reply that Temasek does not manage any CPF monies and that there is no link between CPF interest rates and the returns earned by GIC, as the CPF monies are invested entirely in risk-free assets, namely, Special Singapore Government Securities (SSGS).
According to MOF’s website [Link]:
“CPF monies are invested by the CPF Board in Special Singapore Government Securities (SSGS*) that are issued and guaranteed by the Singapore Government. This assures that the CPF Board will be able to pay its members all their monies when due, and the interest that it commits to pay on CPF accounts.”
* Special Singapore Government Securities (SSGS) are non-tradeable Government bonds issued to the CPF Board. The securities earn for the CPF Board a coupon rate that is pegged to CPF interest rates that members receive.
In effect, as CPF monies keep rolling into CPF Board every month, the Singapore government keeps borrowing from CPF Board via issuance of bonds.
The MOF’s website also said that the borrowed monies are invested via MAS and GIC but ultimately, it would be managed by GIC. The website said:
“However, as a major portion of these assets are of a long-term nature, such as those that provide backing for long-term Government liabilities like SSGS, such assets are transferred to GIC to be managed over a long investment horizon.”
MOF also added that GIC manages not only funds from SSGS (i.e, our monies through CPF Board), but also government budgetary surpluses and monies from other government bonds like SGS (market-based Singapore Government Securities).
In the official MOF’s reply, it emphasized that Temasek does not manage CPF monies:
“The SSGS proceeds are not passed to Temasek for management. Temasek hence does not manage any CPF monies. Temasek manages its own assets, which have accrued mainly from divestment proceeds from sale of its investments and reinvestments of dividends and other cash distributions it receives from its portfolio companies and other investments. Temasek also has its own borrowings and debt financing sources. The Government’s relationship with Temasek is that of its sole equity shareholder.”
To “confuse” the issue further, the article quoted an ST interview with DPM Tharman in 2007:
He (DPM Tharman) said in an interview with this newspaper that the charge of the Government using CPF as a cheap source of funds was “wrong and plainly misleading”.
“The Government doesn’t need to borrow from the CPF. If we needed to borrow, we can borrow from the market at lower rates than from the CPF. Every finance professional knows that.”
“If we had issued one-year treasury bills, the rate we would have paid over the last 10 years would have been 1.7 per cent on average.”
“If we wanted to borrow through longer-term bonds, we could issue 10-year bonds and pay the market rate, without the plus one percentage point. So if the Government needed to borrow money, it can do so at lower cost.”
“CPF money is actually expensive money for the Government, not cheap money,” he added.
It is a pity that such allegations continue to fly about for they cast government and people as enemies when they are not.
The issue isn’t about how the government is able to find cheaper funds to borrow from.
It’s about the perceived injustice when Singaporeans are compelled by force to lend their monies to the government at a nominal rate of 2.5% (CPF OA rate), when the government is using these monies to help generate a real rate of 4% return for itself (See GIC’s long-term real rate of return). Real rate of return means returns over and above the inflation rate.
It is with this perception that the people are “charging” the government for “using CPF as a cheap source of funds”.
 

zhihau

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what hogwash! pay 25% interest in OA, SA and MA; return the whole damn sum at 55 years of age, you see who complain?
 

mojito

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Nonsense. 25% interest then no profit sharing and management fees for our SWF managers? Spare a thought for them.
 

escher

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IT VERY CLEAR THAT THE FUCKING PAPs ARE SCREWING AND SUEING THE SINGAPOREANS
AND NOT JUST ROY

PAPs ARE ATTACKING SINGAPOREANS BY THIS ATTACK ON ROY
PAPs ARE FIXING THEIR PIANO WIRES AROUND THE NECKS OF SINGAPOREANS
PAPs ARE FIXING THE NECKLACE OF BURNING CAR TYRES ON THE NECKS OF SINGAPOREANS
WILL SINGAPOREANS REMAIN HEAD DOWN DOWN AND ARSEHOLES UP HIGH HIGH FOR PAPs TO FUCK
AND TO TIEW AND TO TIE PIANO WIRES?
ENOUGH IS ENOUGH


Hang those PAP maggots cockroaches with piano wires from lamp posts to make them dance before it is too late and we have no more CPF to get back.
BBQ those PAP maggots cockroaches before it is too late and we have no more CPF to get back.
Cut a few more arseholes into those PAP maggots cockroaches to let out their shit before it is too late and we have no more CPF to get back.
Make those PAP maggots cockroaches eat joss sticks and candle wax before it is too late and we have no more CPF to get back.



GET RID OF THE POISON IN SINGAPORE
HANG ALL THOSE FUCKING PAPs AND THEIR COLLABORATORS
BBQ THE BASTARD PAPs

AND SINGAPORE CAN BE AS GOOD IF NOT BETTER THAN SWITZERLAND

OR REMAIN HEAD DOWN DOWN AND ARSEHOLES UP HIGH HIGH TO BE FUCKED TO BE TIEWED TO BE KANNED BY THE PAP MAGGOTS COCKROACHES

Kill them all PAPs
Let GOD sort out the good from the really bad ones
The good PAPs can then eat joss sticks and candle wax from time to time
The bad PAPs like smear of shit on sole of shoe LKY will be raped and tiewed and kanned by legions of ghouls and demons and not ever
get time off to eat joss sticks and candle wax

Hang those PAP maggots cockroaches with piano wires from lamp posts to make them dance before it is too late and we have no more CPF to get back.

BBQ those PAP maggots cockroaches before it is too late and we have no more CPF to get back.

Cut a few more arseholes into those PAP maggots cockroaches to let out their shit before it is too late and we have no more CPF to get back.

Make those PAP maggots cockroaches eat joss sticks and candle wax before it is too late and we have no more CPF to get back.


None of those in PAP work for anyone but that smear of shit on sole of shoe LKY, to help him hold down Singaporeans to screw and fuck hundreds of BILLIONs from us all into smear of shit on sole of shoe LKY stinkapore sovereign funds.

They are there in PAP because LKY know that they are a bunch of self serving greedy bastards and scrapings of scums of society. To call them maggots cockroaches will be to insult real maggots and real cockroaches.
LKY will never allow good decent people into the PAP and good decent people will not want to get into the PAP.

Those in PAP are the most corrupt and moral degenerates and moral bankrupts and moral filths that are being presented to stinkaporeans as moral compasses.

Despite the leeching and fucking of singaporeans by the cheebye PAP and LKY, Singapore still managed to survive to date.
Despite their being hung as a fucking millstones around the necks of Singaporeans and the idiocy and corrupt manipulations of PAP and LKY, Singapore still not dead yet.

WE ALL ARE NOW WAITING FOR THE DEATH OF LKY IN COMING DAYS OR WEEKS.
WE ALL WILL YUM SENG AND YUM SENG AND YUM SENG AGAIN AND AGAIN DANCING SINGING ON TABLE TOPS AND STREETS

WE THEN WILL SEE THOSE IN PAP WITH SHARPENED KNIVES HOOTING ARSEHLOON A DOZEN NEW ARSEHOLES AND THE DEATH OF THE ENTIRE LEE KWA CLAN

WE THEN WILL PICK UP PIANO WIRES AND HANG ALL THOSE REMAINING PAP AND THEIR COLLABORATORS FROM LAMP POSTS AND SEE THOSE BASTARDS AND BITCHES DANCE.
AND HAPPINESS WILL RETURN TO OUR LAND.

AND STINKAPORE WILL BECOME SINGAPORE ONCE MORE.

https://www.torproject.org/about/overview.html.en
 

oli9

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Can I forfeit the damming 2.5% & 4% interest but I want my CPF money in FULL at 65? Farking good deal for the govt rite?
 

SBFTirak

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Can I forfeit the damming 2.5% & 4% interest but I want my CPF money in FULL at 65? Farking good deal for the govt rite?

In this situation, might as well propose to take all out at 55, why should you let them take advantages of your money for another 15 years w/o interests payment?
 

Dark Knight

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Talk until sunset also can't allow Sillyporeans to have the option to opt out from CPF scheme?

It's after all the peasant's own $$$ and the MIW keep forcing people to park their $$$ with the gahbrament?
 

maxxi

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Typical 154th pri 6 article.
500 pleased .2 . 5mil not pleased.
So can please everyone.
 

shittypore

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Talk until sunset also can't allow Sillyporeans to have the option to opt out from CPF scheme?

It's after all the peasant's own $$$ and the MIW keep forcing people to park their $$$ with the gahbrament?

Get rid of the Dynasty and all will be back to Peace and Harmony in Singapore.
 

oli9

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In this situation, might as well propose to take all out at 55, why should you let them take advantages of your money for another 15 years w/o interests payment?

Retirement age before CPF Life kicks in at age 65, no? No loss to me & for the fact that at 55 years old, most of us would still be working.
 

laksaboy

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The CPF system needs to be reformed immediately. Over the decades, it has morphed into a 'rojak' multipurpose fund and had deviated from its original objective of providing financial security for retirement. In fact, the ultimate insult came when a mandatory annuity (CPF Life) was forced upon the people to plaster over the shortcomings of the CPF. If we wanted an annuity we would have ringed up an insurance consultant and signed up for one.

The minimum sum serves no purpose other than building the barrier a little higher so fewer people can get their hands on the money.

Lastly, 2.5% interest is derisory. :cool:
 
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