Hold the bus, since when did japan and china buy arms from us.
japan buy arms from USA, china from russia and EU.
so we does not benefit from the war, of course we can sell oil to them. That will be profitable.
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钓鱼岛是日本的。
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Hold the bus, since when did japan and china buy arms from us.
japan buy arms from USA, china from russia and EU.
so we does not benefit from the war, of course we can sell oil to them. That will be profitable.
maybe we should hold two rally in singapore, one for chi-na man and one for japan. hope they clashes in the rally.
Singapore economy was the biggest beneficiary from the Vietnam War for those who haven't realised, Singapore was US supply line and logistics centre. For those who remembered Geylang and Bugis in the early 70s, the clarion call for business is "American ships have docked! Sailors embarked!"
On the bigger scale, it encouraged American MNC investments in Singapore as long as Singapore remain safe from Islamic and Communist idealisms. The oil refinery biz was built up from there and then. The lifeblood supply line to US troops in Vietnam.
lanjiao ok. Diaoyu belongs to Taiwan and Taiwan belongs to China. USA sided with Japan to spite China. China should nuke Japan just like USA did to Nagasaki and Hiroshima so that USA can now play hero and come to her rescue. Senkaku my balls! It's just a fucking Japanese name for Diaoyu. Japan go eat shit!
China should declare war on Japan! A sneaky snake trying to swallow an elephant whole?
China should declare war on Japan! A sneaky snake trying to swallow an elephant whole?
lanjiao ok. Diaoyu belongs to Taiwan and Taiwan belongs to China. USA sided with Japan to spite China. China should nuke Japan just like USA did to Nagasaki and Hiroshima so that USA can now play hero and come to her rescue. Senkaku my balls! It's just a fucking Japanese name for Diaoyu. Japan go eat shit!
Diaoyutai (meaning fishing jetty) was part of Taiwan when Qing China handed it over to Japan after losing a war. Japan renamed Diaoyutai to Senkaku (meaning jetty pavilion) and redesignated it under Okinawa prefecture. At WW2 surrender, Japan should have returned all of Taiwan including Diaoyutai to ROC. What happened during Japanese administration was Japanese own problem. Whether Taiwan should be ROC or returned to PRC is a Chinese problem, nothing to do with Japanese.
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/war/senkaku.htm
think Japan had a valid case to claim Diaoyutai.
what annoy me are the Taiwan nationalists that claim Taiwan owns Diaoyutai. If you recognize Taiwan sovereignty over Diaoyutai based on Qing claim then you recognize PRC sovereignty over Taiwan based on Qing claim. You can't pick and chose among Qing claims just because it suits you.
You're now straying into the question of one China or two Chinas, PRC or ROC has sovereignty over Taiwan. ROC so far maintained that Taiwan is still only a province, the last province that ROC is holding on to.
The topic is about whether Japan has a legitimate claim. If Qing China ceded it to Japan, it meant it was legitimately under Chinese sovereignty. You can't concede something you don't own. And Japan surrendered back Taiwan to ROC, wasn't Diayutai supposed to be included? It was an unconditional surrender, not a conditional surrender.
Look at the names, 台湾，台南，台中，台北，钓鱼台。I don't choose the Qing claims. These are facts. The question of whether PRC or ROC is the legitimate China is another matter for the Chinese, nothing to do with Japanese. The Japanese are just being used by the US to create trouble.
mean Taiwan nationalists as the 台独.
Japan apparently absorbed Diaoyutai into Okinawa before Qing China ceded Taiwan to Japan. anyway Qing China ceded to Japan full sovereignty of Taiwan, surrounding islands and Penghu group but no mention of Diaoyutai by name. since things were vague, Japan had a valid case.
Currently China GDP per capita is 1/10 of Japan and China should be patient and concentrate on building up its economy and military mights.
Nobody in this World can tell the Chinese to forget and forgive the Japs atrocities on behalf of those killed and raped by them during the WWII!This blood debts must be paid back,maybe not now but by our future generations!
Nobody in this World can tell the Chinese to forget and forgive the Japs atrocities on behalf of those killed and raped by them during the WWII!This blood debts must be paid back,maybe not now but by our future generations!
When Japan occupied Taiwan including Diayutao, it renamed it Senkaku and redesignated it to Okinawa which wasn't even Japanese to begin with.
Okinawa was Korean Ryukyu and during Ming Dynasty era ceded to the Japanese as both Korea and their backers Ming China felt it worth the sacrifice for peace at the seas. That's pirate behavior on the part of Japanese, hence the term 倭寇。But the Koreans and Chinese had also themselves to blame for their appeasement policy.
At the end of WW2 and Japanese surrender, Korea was divided and too weak to demand Ryukyu (Okinawa) back. The US saw it to their strategic advantage to keep it under Japan where they can base their troops.
Okinawa was Korean Ryukyu and during Ming Dynasty era ceded to the Japanese as both Korea and their backers Ming China felt it worth the sacrifice for peace at the seas. That's pirate behavior on the part of Japanese, hence the term 倭寇。But the Koreans and Chinese had also themselves to blame for their appeasement policy.
At the end of WW2 and Japanese surrender, Korea was divided and too weak to demand Ryukyu (Okinawa) back. The US saw it to their strategic advantage to keep it under Japan where they can base their troops.
Should Chinese sought blood debts from their communist party too?
The Chinese communists / Russians GRU sow the seeds of Chinese nationalists conflicts with Japan that eventually resulted in 2nd sino-japanese war.
lanjiao ok. Diaoyu belongs to Taiwan and Taiwan belongs to China. USA sided with Japan to spite China. China should nuke Japan just like USA did to Nagasaki and Hiroshima so that USA can now play hero and come to her rescue. Senkaku my balls! It's just a fucking Japanese name for Diaoyu. Japan go eat shit!
You dun have lanjiao ok!! Senkaku is the official name, U can support the rowdy chinamen but I rather support the civilised Japanese in the outbreak of Sino-Japanese war! No chinamen for me!
ok if you people choose to remember previous blood debt, pls do not forget what the western imperialists did to China in the 19th century to early 20th century. Those westerners are the ones who started all the problems by force selling opium to China, enforcing unequal treaties and killing, robbing, raping and humiliating the Chinese.....
people who remember bad thing about the past have no futures. life is to look forward not backward.
people who alway want to revenge show that he do not have a bright futures that why he can dream only about revenge.
we have good futures we think of beautiful things ahead. hahaha
Personally I think, Japan itself shld belong to China in the first place haha...
I donch care about whether Japan have right to Diaoyudao - I just du lan the astrocities that they commited during WW2 - and so, they don't deserve Diaoyudao, neither do they deserve the 4 islands they are claiming from Russia.
No lah..China and Japan won't go war over Diaoyudao...too petty an issue. Japan have bigger probllems on hand and China is more interested in quelling their economic worries and internal issues.
Both sides are sable rattling....
I donch care about whether Japan have right to Diaoyudao - I just du lan the astrocities that they commited during WW2 - and so, they don't deserve Diaoyudao, neither do they deserve the 4 islands they are claiming from Russia.
No lah..China and Japan won't go war over Diaoyudao...too petty an issue. Japan have bigger probllems on hand and China is more interested in quelling their economic worries and internal issues.
Both sides are sable rattling....
I thought Diaoyutai belong to Singapore?
Since the world had recognised a one China policy, Diaoyutai should belong to PRC in mainland China. Japan have no rights to claim it.
Senkaku issue got nothing to do with the first sino-japanese war (1895).
Senkaku was absorbed into Okinawa during 1895 before the treaty of Shimonoseki which Qing dynasty ceded in actual treaty words ( 台湾全岛及所有附属各岛屿。 ) with Diaoyutai not mentioned at all. The terms Taiwan and it's islands were vague and interpreted differently from both sides. China insisted it meant Taiwan and Diaoyutai, Japan said Senkaku wasn't included as part of Taiwan, ROC didn't demand Senkaku back with Taiwan in 1945.
China claims to Diaoyutai was Ming/Qing territorial maps including the islands as part of empire and courts sea voyage books showing they discovered the islands centuries before Japan but no historical records to prove they actually possessed or governed the islands.
based on that, Japan/China both had legitimate claims to Senkaku islands.
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