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SIA pilots urged by union to boycott dinner

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SINGAPORE Airlines pilots have been urged by their union to boycott an annual social gathering organised by the airline.

The dinner, on Feb 25, is held by SIA to show its appreciation to pilots and honour top performers with service awards, its spokesman Nicholas Ionides said.
 

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SINGAPORE Airlines pilots have been urged by their union to boycott an annual social gathering organised by the airline.

The dinner, on Feb 25, is held by SIA to show its appreciation to pilots and honour top performers with service awards, its spokesman Nicholas Ionides said.

Where is LKY when SIA need him? Surely he will have a thing or two to say about this.
 

TNP(Tua Neh Pau)

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This is the executive council:

The Executive Council at its meeting on 24 November 2008 had unanimously approved the appointment of Comrade S Rathakrishnan, the Assistant General Secretary as the new General Secretary of SIASU. It was unanimously agreed by all the Executive Council members present that Comrade Ratha shall officially assume the position of the General Secretary with effect from 16 December 2008. As a result of the change, I append below the following updated names of the Executive Council members with effect from 16 Dec 2008. The decision by the Executive Council was officially informed to all the Delegates and Branch Committee members during the Convention of Delegates held on Tuesday 25 November 2008.


Alan Tan Boon Wee President
Bahauddin K Vice President
Jamaludin Bin Mohd Said Vice President
Abirajan N U Vice President
Rathakrishnan S General Secretary
Daniel Davidson Executive Secretary
Koh Koon Huat Asst General Secretary (w.e.f. 26 Apr 2010)
Vincent Nallusamy Asst General Secretary
Somasundram Pillai Asst General Secretary
Jimmy Yew Choon Huat Treasurer
Raymond Ho Asst Treasurer
Soon Eng Leng Member
Ghanasegaran P Member
Angie Chang Member (w.e.f. 26 Apr 2010)
Magdalene Lee Siok Choo Member
Danny Wong Member
Sathyamurthi N Naidu Member
Mohd Zaki Bin Abdul Rahman Member
Daniel Ng Hong Choon Member
Haleem Khan Suratee Member
Rajoo Manohar Member (w.e.f. 26 Apr 2010)
Devadas N Member (w.e.f. 26 Apr 2010)

Trustees

Kwek Jin Chong
Anthony Ang Boon Keng
 

johnny333

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Not everyone is familiar with the politics that goes on in SIA, but why are the pilots calling for a boycott:confused:
 

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SIA pilots urged by union to boycott dinner

SINGAPORE Airlines pilots have been urged by their union to boycott an annual social gathering organised by the airline.

The dinner, on Feb 25, is held by SIA to show its appreciation to pilots and honour top performers with service awards, its spokesman Nicholas Ionides said.

In the last few months, SIA and the Air Line Pilots Association (Singapore), Alpa-S, have been embroiled in a tussle over pay and other benefits for employment beyond 62.

The Straits Times understands that when negotiations started, the airline had proposed that pilots reaching the retirement age of 62 would be paid the basic starting pay, forgoing all previous increments.

This would mean a pay cut of up to $8,000 for a senior captain. The airline has about 2,000 pilots.

This proposal was rejected by the pilots.

Despite the Manpower Minister stepping in to mediate in the latest dispute, both sides remain at loggerheads.

Alpa-S also represents pilots from SilkAir and SIA Cargo but they are not invited to the party.

The event will go ahead as planned, said Mr Ionides.

In a one-page electronic newsletter to SIA pilots yesterday that The Straits Times learnt about, the 20 office-bearers of the SIA branch committee of Alpa-S said relations with management 'have regrettably reached an undesirable stage'.

The company has also shown 'lack of genuine commitment in resolving the issues', it added.

Given the state of affairs, the note stated that the committee members have 'unanimously' decided not to attend the function and hope that members will 'consider it worth your while to follow suit'.

Alpa-S president Captain P. James, who is not a member of the SIA branch committee, said that as union head, he is 100 per cent behind the boycott.

'We support the call,' he said, adding that relations with management are 'at a real low point'.

He said: 'This is a way for the pilots to peacefully show our dissatisfaction without affecting operations in any way.'

This is not the first time that relations between SIA and its pilots have hit turbulence.

After reaching rock-bottom in 2003 when the Sars crisis led to pay cuts and disgruntled pilots, management-union ties improved considerably after intervention by then-Senior Minister Lee Kuan Yew. Over the years, there have been fresh disputes but both sides have managed to resolve their differences, until now.

Mr Ionides did not respond directly to queries on whether relations with Alpa-S have soured considerably in recent times. He said: 'In any relationship, there will be ups and downs of course, but it is always important to maintain open lines of communication.'

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SIA pilots urged to boycott annual dinner

The pilots' union and airline management have clashed over pay and employment benefit issues. -AsiaOne

Fri, Feb 11, 2011
AsiaOne

SINGAPORE - Singapore International Airlines pilots have been urged to boycott an annual dinner by their union.

Air Line Pilots Association (Singapore), or more commonly known as Alpa-S, hopes that the pilots will follow the example set by the union's SIA branch committee of not attending the social gathering.

Both sides have remained at loggerheads ever since the union started talks with SIA in recent months over issues of pay and employment benefits for those who reach retirement age.

SIA had proposed that pilots over 62-years-old be paid the basic starting salary without previous increments.

This was rejected by the pilots, as it meant a pay cut of up to $8,000 for senior ranks.

Alpa-S told its members in an electronic newsletter that relations with airline management had soured and reached an undesirable stage, the Straits Times reported.

It also said that SIA was not committed to resolving the issues.

SIA and its pilots have had a turbulent relationship in in the past. Relations hit an all-time low in 2003 when pilots were unhappy with paycuts caused by the Sars crisis. It only improved after then-Senior Minister Lee Kuan Yew intervened.
 

yuelao

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Probably coz the greedy overpaid pilots trying to dig more money again

Fucking Char lAtan! If you are too spineless to fight for better working conditions, please go kill yourself instead of trying to pull others down with you. :oIo:
 

Harry Lee

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The deadlock is over the terms and conditions for working between the ages of 62 and 65, which is when pilots have to give up their wings, as required by the International Civil Aviation Organisation (Icao), the United Nations body which regulates the aviation industry.

In their talks, SIA and Alpa-S have been guided by the Tripartite Guidelines on Re-employment of Older Workers. This document, released last March, paves the way for 2012, when companies will be required by law to offer to rehire, for three years, workers who reach the retirement age.

SIA had proposed that pilots who reached the retirement age of 62 go back to basic starting pay, forgoing all previous increments; this translates into a pay cut from about $20,000 to $12,000 for a senior captain.

The flying allowance, however, stays intact.

Alpa-S had rejected this.

When the Manpower Ministry stepped in, it proposed a middle ground, one that SIA said it was willing to consider, but which the pilots rejected.


SIA has no immediate requirement to re-employ pilots.
 

Cestbon

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If pilot think theirs salary is low. They may leave/resign. If too many leave sure SIA will increase the salary.
If no one willing to resign then that mean salary still good.
 

Narong Wongwan

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By Singapore standards, the SIA unions are always traditionally the most 'power' of all......any reasons why this is so? Something to do with their history?
 

johnny333

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The deadlock is over the terms and conditions .

Seems like there is alot of friction between the management & the pilots over conditions & pay.

Been reading that there is a shortage of pilots . Wonder why the pilots choose to fly with SIA. Can't they just join another airline like Emirates which is expanding their fleet?
 

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Seems like there is alot of friction between the management & the pilots over conditions & pay.

Been reading that there is a shortage of pilots . Wonder why the pilots choose to fly with SIA. Can't they just join another airline like Emirates which is expanding their fleet?

Why should they have to leave when the company wants to cut their pay? There is strength in numbers and this is needed for the balance of power. If they are looking for higher pay, then yes, maybe they should look for another company. But if the company is making good profits and wants to cut your pay simply to increase profits, why should they just suck it in? Due to years of conditioning, SGreans are now like sheep, they do not understand how to use their numbers to ward off the predators.
 

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By Singapore standards, the SIA unions are always traditionally the most 'power' of all......any reasons why this is so? Something to do with their history?

Wongwan: Look at all the past disputes, who finally stepped in....Lee Kuan Yew.

Nice to watch how the SIA pilots will squeeze sissy LOONG's hairy balls once his sugar daddy dies. They will f(0K him and ignore him....what you think they dare to use the ISA to arrest the pilot union committee members?

I tell you the whole 2,000 pilots will boycott and the rest of the pilots in the other major airlines will refuse to fly into Singapore as an act of solidarity with their fellow peers.
 

lockeliberal

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Dear Char

I can't understand what they are arguing about toe begin with because the alternative is worst. ALPA S seems totally out of touch with reality.

Retire and still work at lower pay

or Retire do not fly and get NO PAY and we replace you with younger pilots




Locke
 

bullfrog

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As a fare-paying frequent flyer on SIA, I will agree with SIA if they reduced airfares too by 20% if I am flying on a plane with a senior pilot at the stick.
 

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SINGAPORE Airlines pilots have been urged by their union to boycott an annual social gathering organised by the airline.

The dinner, on Feb 25, is held by SIA to show its appreciation to pilots and honour top performers with service awards, its spokesman Nicholas Ionides said.

SIA pilots have b.lls. Keep it up and show singaporeans the way forward to drive a hard bargain for the employees. Dont succumb to Lim Swee Say and PAP's pseudo trade unions.
 

johnny333

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Why should they have to leave when the company wants to cut their pay? .

SIA is gov't controlled, so it's pilots vs the Spore gov't. Spore has the reputation for poor employee rights & suppressing wages.

Sure they can join SIA & face alot of hassles that Spore worker faces but why would they want to:confused:

If their services are in demand internationally, isn't it more hassle free to join other world class companies:confused:
 
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