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Sear Hock Rong

The YPAP member who posted Alex Tan’s past detention during his National Service on Facebook to taunt and discredit him is a grassroots leader in Eunos under Aljunied GRC.

The comment was posted in the midst of a heated exchange between Alex and the YPAP members on a YP Community Project – “Skating with students from Pathlight” held on 7 November when volunteers of YP Community brought a group of students from Pathlight School to have a skating experience in East Coast Park.

Pathlight is a special school offering mainstream academics to students with autism. It is also the first autism-focused school in Singapore that offers a unique blend of mainstream academics and life readiness skills.

Alex charged that the YPAP is using taxpayers’ monies to score political points and claimed that he is doing “National Service” by stopping its “propaganda” on Facebook:

“PAP-organized community work, be it voluntary or remunerated, fronts PAP’s name and therefore is a political tool, yes or no?… Is the PAP community work funded through taxpayers money”

He also berated YPAP Chairman Teo Ser Luck for not standing up to scrutiny:

“Teo Ser Luck: do you think your $15000/mth salary puts you in a moral high ground such that you can treat ordinary Singaporeans like your servants? Be a politician and stand up to scrutiny. this is a chance for you to score political points. let’s see if you indeed deserve such obscene salary.”

Alex was lambasted immediately by YPAP members for being “childish” and “hot-headed”.

That’s when a YPAP member by the name of Sear Hock Rong stepped in and attacked Alex by addressing him as “alex zhixiang tan who was charged with ‘general disobedience”

According to information posted on his blog, Hock Rong mentioned that he just completed his National Service not too long ago.

It is not known if he belonged to the same camp as Alex. He joined the Ministry of Finance after his NS before setting up a start-up of his own.

Though Alex has been relentless in his hard-hitting criticisms of the PAP, he did not attack the character of any YPAP member.

YPAP Chairman Teo Ser Luck was in the discussion as well, but did not condemn Hock Rong for revealing confidential information about Alex.

It is unbecoming for a YPAP member and grassroots leader to resort to such petty name-calling in order to destroy the credibility of a critic.

What is more glaring is Mr Teo’s nonchalant attitude which suggests that he condones such behavior.

Now that Alex’s past DB record had been picked up by the press from the YPAP Facebook and released to public, Mr Sear Hock Rong should issue an open apology to Alex.

Mr Teo should explain why he did not put a stop to the taunts and vibes YPAP members have directed at Alex when he was aware of the content of the conversation all along.

Furthermore, the relevant authorities should investigate if the revelation of Alex’s DB record contravenes Section 5 of the Official Secrets Act (CAP 213).

A soldier’s detention record during National Service is classified information and should not be released to the public unless specifically asked for by the Home Affairs Ministry or Attorney-General Chambers.

For a political party which prides itself on the rule of law, it is a shame that its Youth Wing has degenerated into such a sorry state.
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Sear Hock Rong

The YPAP member who posted Alex Tan’s past detention during his National Service on Facebook to taunt and discredit him is a grassroots leader in Eunos under Aljunied GRC.

The comment was posted in the midst of a heated exchange between Alex and the YPAP members on a YP Community Project – “Skating with students from Pathlight” held on 7 November when volunteers of YP Community brought a group of students from Pathlight School to have a skating experience in East Coast Park.

Pathlight is a special school offering mainstream academics to students with autism. It is also the first autism-focused school in Singapore that offers a unique blend of mainstream academics and life readiness skills.

Alex charged that the YPAP is using taxpayers’ monies to score political points and claimed that he is doing “National Service” by stopping its “propaganda” on Facebook:

“PAP-organized community work, be it voluntary or remunerated, fronts PAP’s name and therefore is a political tool, yes or no?… Is the PAP community work funded through taxpayers money”

He also berated YPAP Chairman Teo Ser Luck for not standing up to scrutiny:

“Teo Ser Luck: do you think your $15000/mth salary puts you in a moral high ground such that you can treat ordinary Singaporeans like your servants? Be a politician and stand up to scrutiny. this is a chance for you to score political points. let’s see if you indeed deserve such obscene salary.”

Alex was lambasted immediately by YPAP members for being “childish” and “hot-headed”.

That’s when a YPAP member by the name of Sear Hock Rong stepped in and attacked Alex by addressing him as “alex zhixiang tan who was charged with ‘general disobedience”

According to information posted on his blog, Hock Rong mentioned that he just completed his National Service not too long ago.

It is not known if he belonged to the same camp as Alex. He joined the Ministry of Finance after his NS before setting up a start-up of his own.

Though Alex has been relentless in his hard-hitting criticisms of the PAP, he did not attack the character of any YPAP member.

YPAP Chairman Teo Ser Luck was in the discussion as well, but did not condemn Hock Rong for revealing confidential information about Alex.

It is unbecoming for a YPAP member and grassroots leader to resort to such petty name-calling in order to destroy the credibility of a critic.

What is more glaring is Mr Teo’s nonchalant attitude which suggests that he condones such behavior.

Now that Alex’s past DB record had been picked up by the press from the YPAP Facebook and released to public, Mr Sear Hock Rong should issue an open apology to Alex.

Mr Teo should explain why he did not put a stop to the taunts and vibes YPAP members have directed at Alex when he was aware of the content of the conversation all along.

Furthermore, the relevant authorities should investigate if the revelation of Alex’s DB record contravenes Section 5 of the Official Secrets Act (CAP 213).

A soldier’s detention record during National Service is classified information and should not be released to the public unless specifically asked for by the Home Affairs Ministry or Attorney-General Chambers.

For a political party which prides itself on the rule of law, it is a shame that its Youth Wing has degenerated into such a sorry state.
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In the first place , it was he who did not show respect for others
 
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Sear Hock Rong

The YPAP member who posted Alex Tan’s past detention during his National Service on Facebook to taunt and discredit him is a grassroots leader in Eunos under Aljunied GRC.

The comment was posted in the midst of a heated exchange between Alex and the YPAP members on a YP Community Project – “Skating with students from Pathlight” held on 7 November when volunteers of YP Community brought a group of students from Pathlight School to have a skating experience in East Coast Park.

Pathlight is a special school offering mainstream academics to students with autism. It is also the first autism-focused school in Singapore that offers a unique blend of mainstream academics and life readiness skills.

Alex charged that the YPAP is using taxpayers’ monies to score political points and claimed that he is doing “National Service” by stopping its “propaganda” on Facebook:

“PAP-organized community work, be it voluntary or remunerated, fronts PAP’s name and therefore is a political tool, yes or no?… Is the PAP community work funded through taxpayers money”

He also berated YPAP Chairman Teo Ser Luck for not standing up to scrutiny:

“Teo Ser Luck: do you think your $15000/mth salary puts you in a moral high ground such that you can treat ordinary Singaporeans like your servants? Be a politician and stand up to scrutiny. this is a chance for you to score political points. let’s see if you indeed deserve such obscene salary.”


Alex was lambasted immediately by YPAP members for being “childish” and “hot-headed”.

That’s when a YPAP member by the name of Sear Hock Rong stepped in and attacked Alex by addressing him as “alex zhixiang tan who was charged with ‘general disobedience”

According to information posted on his blog, Hock Rong mentioned that he just completed his National Service not too long ago.

It is not known if he belonged to the same camp as Alex. He joined the Ministry of Finance after his NS before setting up a start-up of his own.

Though Alex has been relentless in his hard-hitting criticisms of the PAP, he did not attack the character of any YPAP member.

YPAP Chairman Teo Ser Luck was in the discussion as well, but did not condemn Hock Rong for revealing confidential information about Alex.

It is unbecoming for a YPAP member and grassroots leader to resort to such petty name-calling in order to destroy the credibility of a critic.

What is more glaring is Mr Teo’s nonchalant attitude which suggests that he condones such behavior.


Now that Alex’s past DB record had been picked up by the press from the YPAP Facebook and released to public, Mr Sear Hock Rong should issue an open apology to Alex.

Mr Teo should explain why he did not put a stop to the taunts and vibes YPAP members have directed at Alex when he was aware of the content of the conversation all along.

Furthermore, the relevant authorities should investigate if the revelation of Alex’s DB record contravenes Section 5 of the Official Secrets Act (CAP 213).

A soldier’s detention record during National Service is classified information and should not be released to the public unless specifically asked for by the Home Affairs Ministry or Attorney-General Chambers.

For a political party which prides itself on the rule of law, it is a shame that its Youth Wing has degenerated into such a sorry state.
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Highlighted in RED above. Treat people like his servants? Who the fuck does he think he is? This SurFuck phoooey!
 
looks like Hock Rong broke the law. will he be charged?

No law broken. The official secrets act would only apply if he had accessed Alex's records. However if he knew about it because he was a camp mate, it does not apply.

Alex can of course sue him for public discourse of private facts that defame his character.
 
No law broken. The official secrets act would only apply if he had accessed Alex's records. However if he knew about it because he was a camp mate, it does not apply.

Alex can of course sue him for public discourse of private facts that defame his character.

How can it be defamation if it is the truth?
 
How can it be defamation if it is the truth?

if we call that fat guy 'ah pui', can we be sued for defamation since it is a fact that he is damn bloody fat??:D:confused:

just curious lah...:D
 
How can it be defamation if it is the truth?

Defamation or libel need not be limited to public discourse of falsities. Even facts that are are not of interest to the public, or the public has no rights to know, can be treated a defamatory speech if the intention is to attack someones character.
 
Defamation or libel need not be limited to public discourse of falsities. Even facts that are are not of interest to the public, or the public has no rights to know, can be treated a defamatory speech if the intention is to attack someones character.

Could anyone recalled someone's dirty linen is related to this eunos grassroot leader some time back ago???
 
Now that Alex’s past DB record had been picked up by the press from the YPAP Facebook and released to public, Mr Sear Hock Rong should issue an open apology to Alex.



Furthermore, the relevant authorities should investigate if the revelation of Alex’s DB record contravenes Section 5 of the Official Secrets Act (CAP 213).

A soldier’s detention record during National Service is classified information and should not be released to the public unless specifically asked for by the Home Affairs Ministry or Attorney-General Chambers.


Stupid to ask for an apology.

(1) Ask if it is right for a YPAP member to reveal DB records when it is classified information under the OSA. Whether he is a member of the same camp is irrelevant. What is relevant is that classified information is revealed.

Ask if it is right for an opposition to collate UNCLASSIFIED statistics and query the of NSmen deaths.

(2) In the former, there is a violation of secrets and the perpetuator is not punished.

In the lattar, there is a community-service and public-service to make NS safer for NSmen using publicly available information and he is punished.

(Even though Alex did not do MPS-related 'community' service)


(3) Will MINDEF investigate? Will YPAP investigate? Or will YPAP condone the smear underhanded tactics of this member?
 
Stupid to ask for an apology.

(1) Ask if it is right for a YPAP member to reveal DB records when it is classified information under the OSA. Whether he is a member of the same camp is irrelevant. What is relevant is that classified information is revealed.

Ask if it is right for an opposition to collate UNCLASSIFIED statistics and query the of NSmen deaths.

(2) In the former, there is a violation of secrets and the perpetuator is not punished.

In the lattar, there is a community-service and public-service to make NS safer for NSmen using publicly available information and he is punished.

(Even though Alex did not do MPS-related 'community' service)


(3) Will MINDEF investigate? Will YPAP investigate? Or will YPAP condone the smear underhanded tactics of its members?

He will probably have his knuckles rapped but thats about it.

YPAP is not a political party nor is it a feeder entity. Its just a means to get young Singaporeans more actively involved in politics. So every need not worry that bad apples within it are just simply going to rise up the PAP ranks.
 
No law broken. The official secrets act would only apply if he had accessed Alex's records. However if he knew about it because he was a camp mate, it does not apply.

Is this the YPAP stand or is this MINDEF stand.

MINDEF should clarify.
 
He will probably have his knuckles rapped but thats about it.

YPAP is not a political party nor is it a feeder entity. Its just a means to get young Singaporeans more actively involved in politics. So every need not worry that bad apples within it are just simply going to rise up the PAP ranks.


I can understand that in politics, emotions run high.
 
I can understand that in politics, emotions run high.

Neither of the parties involved in this petty argument are involved in politics.

The more appropriate phrase would be "in political discourse, emotions run high"

These young upstarts who think they represent the Government because they are in Ypap sicken me.
 
Pertinent questions.

At the least, Mindef has to satisfy themselves and Alex that Sear did not access the records, reveal information that he is obliged to keep confidential etc. If he was a camp mate or heard it thru the grapevine, then there is no breach.

His detention is not related to the questions that he was seeking. It has no relevance to any of the discussions. Its poor form and lack of manners on the part of Sear to bring this out.

YPAP, no matter how you cut it, is associated with the PAP and the Government. Its advisors are elected members of parliament. The PAP and the Govt has
1) a duty of care to Alex to ensure that Mindef does carry out the investigation
2) take to task Sear and counsel him on his conduct.

This incident reflects badly on the YPAP, PAP and the Govt. Bernard associated with the PAP had also asked Alex to leave Singapore if he was disenchanted. Bernard is another with poor mannerism. Alex is not unhappy with Singapore. He is unhappy with the PAP and therefore the Govt. Bernard obviously can't tell the difference.



Stupid to ask for an apology.

(1) Ask if it is right for a YPAP member to reveal DB records when it is classified information under the OSA. Whether he is a member of the same camp is irrelevant. What is relevant is that classified information is revealed.

Ask if it is right for an opposition to collate UNCLASSIFIED statistics and query the of NSmen deaths.

(2) In the former, there is a violation of secrets and the perpetuator is not punished.

In the lattar, there is a community-service and public-service to make NS safer for NSmen using publicly available information and he is punished.

(Even though Alex did not do MPS-related 'community' service)


(3) Will MINDEF investigate? Will YPAP investigate? Or will YPAP condone the smear underhanded tactics of this member?
 
Wrong, and completely wrong ( for further emphasis). Better sack the lawyer who told you this. Whether it is public discourse, public disclosure or political discourse or any other phrase used , it is still wrong.

If something is true even if it covered by OSA, you can't sue for slander, libel, defamation, etc. You are more than welcome to attack the character of someone if it true.

Defamation or libel need not be limited to public discourse of falsities. Even facts that are are not of interest to the public, or the public has no rights to know, can be treated a defamatory speech if the intention is to attack someones character.
 
that's Pappy for u. when they cant win, the assasinate ur character
 
At the least, Mindef has to satisfy themselves and Alex that Sear did not access the records, reveal information that he is obliged to keep confidential etc. If he was a camp mate or heard it thru the grapevine, then there is no breach.

It will be amazing If MINDEF adopts that definition.

For example if you are right, then the following is true:

you are in camp and you see certain things but you are under no obligation to keep it secret because you do not have access to the official records of these things.​
 
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