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Chitchat Yeoh Lam Keong on Tax Hike Annoucement

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This is an excellent read for the layman on Yeoh's point of view. I believe some of us were caught by surprise by the tax hike and wondered it was to patch a hole or a plan for something big in the future. The hike in utilities were significantly high and again unexpected. So where exactly are all these going into. The comment about social spending and infrastructure can mean many things to many people.

Yeoh makes it clear that we do not need it now based on the current numbers. So what is the plan?For skeptics social spending can include funding the PAP campaign and organisational arm called the People Association.


Lam Keong Yeoh
on Wednesday
The Bigger Fork in Our Long-Term Fiscal Policy Road

To be fair to PM Lee, both the MOF and he have clarified that consistent with DPM Tharmans 2015 remarks, we do not have to raise taxes before the end of the decade.

So there’s really no need to get our fiscal knickers into a twist about GST or income tax increases till after the next GE folks..

IMHO what’s really at stake are larger, more important policy issues and related fiscal choices over the longer term.

What PM was talking about and trying to tell the public was that in the longer term after 2020, tax increases might be needed given inevitable rises in social spending and infrastructure needs in the more distant future.

Actually I really hope that in the end he’s right but from an entirely different angle.

My reason : our current fiscal headroom is so large that were we to truly need higher tax revenues, this would mean that much needed increases in social spending would finally finally have been funded first. Given our current paltry current social policy spending levels, ( much lower than OECD averages as a share of GDP for healthcare, education and social protection) this would be an excellent policy development!

Consider first that we have a 5-7% GDP structural budget surplus ( calculated by global fiscal policemen the IMF no less) - that’s $20-30 bn extra a year. (I don’t want to get into technicalities of how that is a valid number here - please read my previous posts ).

Second, the formula for using net investment returns contribution or NIRC only uses only half of expected long term real returns leaving official reserves to grow by about 2% in real or about 4% in nominal terms for future generations. This could potentially contribute at least another $14bn to the budget or 3.5% of GDP currently.

This 50% spending rule for NIRC itself is a questionable division of investment income from official reserves and a shows a strangely skewed social time preference. Shouldn’t a more reasonable time preference be to use more of the investment income ( not even the real principal mind you ) for the pressing problems of the present generation in this current decade?

Surely the needs of current citizens who have built modern Singapore through very tough times and have serious remaining problems with absolute poverty, inadequate retirement finances, no universal long term or primary chronic health care, underspending in primary and secondary education relative to OECD norms, inadequately planned and funded industrial policy and a badly underperforming public transport system needs this spending now and over this coming decade. Much more so than the uncertain problems of significantly richer coming generations in the much longer term future.

I suspect though, that in the end, we might just be left Singapore daydreaming.

Rather than first spend this hard earned, exceptional fiscal largesse on pressing social and infrastructure needs of the day, then raise taxes only if necessary afterwards, I suspect that our policy makers would instead tend rather towards raising taxes first, partly to keep this implicit huge fiscal savings largely intact ( by the way the IMF thinks that this is an excessively unhealthy level of national savings ) for the rainy day in the even more distant future!

So here is what I think is the really important fork in our long term fiscal and social policy road:

Either we will finally spend enough on social and infrastructural spending - another 8-10% of GDP over the next decade - or we will continue in the kia su practice of spending considerably less, yet still raise taxes in the name of fiscal prudence to maintain one of the most extravagant public savings rates in the world.

All this while continuing to expand social policy at decidedly suboptimal levels that does not really meet our social policy needs sufficiently in all the above key areas.

To do the former means stepping out of current incrementalist, anti - welfare and state intervention mindsets and boldly reshaping, refitting and reinvesting in social policy in healthcare, education, social security, public housing and transport and industrial policy to make these key areas truly future ready for our citizens. This is what we did so successfully and innovatively in our first 30 years of independence.

Please keep in mind that at this much higher level of spending we will merely be at the lower bound of OECD public spending as a share of GDP and roughly on par with developed East Asian economies. We would also be close to true budget balance ie not structurally in fiscal deficit or running up debt. Yes, that’s how extremely conservative our current long term fiscal position is.

The latter, however ( largely status quo), means kicking the can down the road through incremental rather than transformative changes that are likely to end up being constantly behind the relentless curve of economic instability arising from globalization, technological change and worsening demographics. And perversely maintaining the highest and fastest growing fiscal resources in the world.

No prizes for which I think is the more likely scenario on current trends. Which fork we finally take and when, however, depends on both the boldness of political leadership and citizen political awareness to push for a new social and fiscal policy regime that will truly cater to our well being in a more reasonable and balanced but still sustainable way.
 
is this Yeoh lam keong the millionaire ex gic Economist staying in hdb flat at marine parade who also got canadian citizenship ?


why he left GIC ? sad :(
 
This is an excellent read for the layman on Yeoh's point of view. I believe some of us were caught by surprise by the tax hike and wondered it was to patch a hole or a plan for something big in the future. The hike in utilities were significantly high and again unexpected. So where exactly are all these going into. The comment about social spending and infrastructure can mean many things to many people.

Yeoh makes it clear that we do not need it now based on the current numbers. So what is the plan?For skeptics social spending can include funding the PAP campaign and organisational arm called the People Association.


Lam Keong Yeoh
on Wednesday
The Bigger Fork in Our Long-Term Fiscal Policy Road

To be fair to PM Lee, both the MOF and he have clarified that consistent with DPM Tharmans 2015 remarks, we do not have to raise taxes before the end of the decade.

So there’s really no need to get our fiscal knickers into a twist about GST or income tax increases till after the next GE folks..

IMHO what’s really at stake are larger, more important policy issues and related fiscal choices over the longer term.

What PM was talking about and trying to tell the public was that in the longer term after 2020, tax increases might be needed given inevitable rises in social spending and infrastructure needs in the more distant future.

Actually I really hope that in the end he’s right but from an entirely different angle.

My reason : our current fiscal headroom is so large that were we to truly need higher tax revenues, this would mean that much needed increases in social spending would finally finally have been funded first. Given our current paltry current social policy spending levels, ( much lower than OECD averages as a share of GDP for healthcare, education and social protection) this would be an excellent policy development!

Consider first that we have a 5-7% GDP structural budget surplus ( calculated by global fiscal policemen the IMF no less) - that’s $20-30 bn extra a year. (I don’t want to get into technicalities of how that is a valid number here - please read my previous posts ).

Second, the formula for using net investment returns contribution or NIRC only uses only half of expected long term real returns leaving official reserves to grow by about 2% in real or about 4% in nominal terms for future generations. This could potentially contribute at least another $14bn to the budget or 3.5% of GDP currently.

This 50% spending rule for NIRC itself is a questionable division of investment income from official reserves and a shows a strangely skewed social time preference. Shouldn’t a more reasonable time preference be to use more of the investment income ( not even the real principal mind you ) for the pressing problems of the present generation in this current decade?

Surely the needs of current citizens who have built modern Singapore through very tough times and have serious remaining problems with absolute poverty, inadequate retirement finances, no universal long term or primary chronic health care, underspending in primary and secondary education relative to OECD norms, inadequately planned and funded industrial policy and a badly underperforming public transport system needs this spending now and over this coming decade. Much more so than the uncertain problems of significantly richer coming generations in the much longer term future.

I suspect though, that in the end, we might just be left Singapore daydreaming.

Rather than first spend this hard earned, exceptional fiscal largesse on pressing social and infrastructure needs of the day, then raise taxes only if necessary afterwards, I suspect that our policy makers would instead tend rather towards raising taxes first, partly to keep this implicit huge fiscal savings largely intact ( by the way the IMF thinks that this is an excessively unhealthy level of national savings ) for the rainy day in the even more distant future!

So here is what I think is the really important fork in our long term fiscal and social policy road:

Either we will finally spend enough on social and infrastructural spending - another 8-10% of GDP over the next decade - or we will continue in the kia su practice of spending considerably less, yet still raise taxes in the name of fiscal prudence to maintain one of the most extravagant public savings rates in the world.

All this while continuing to expand social policy at decidedly suboptimal levels that does not really meet our social policy needs sufficiently in all the above key areas.

To do the former means stepping out of current incrementalist, anti - welfare and state intervention mindsets and boldly reshaping, refitting and reinvesting in social policy in healthcare, education, social security, public housing and transport and industrial policy to make these key areas truly future ready for our citizens. This is what we did so successfully and innovatively in our first 30 years of independence.

Please keep in mind that at this much higher level of spending we will merely be at the lower bound of OECD public spending as a share of GDP and roughly on par with developed East Asian economies. We would also be close to true budget balance ie not structurally in fiscal deficit or running up debt. Yes, that’s how extremely conservative our current long term fiscal position is.

The latter, however ( largely status quo), means kicking the can down the road through incremental rather than transformative changes that are likely to end up being constantly behind the relentless curve of economic instability arising from globalization, technological change and worsening demographics. And perversely maintaining the highest and fastest growing fiscal resources in the world.

No prizes for which I think is the more likely scenario on current trends. Which fork we finally take and when, however, depends on both the boldness of political leadership and citizen political awareness to push for a new social and fiscal policy regime that will truly cater to our well being in a more reasonable and balanced but still sustainable way.

This is so incoherent to a lowly educated layman like me. Perhaps the Papsmear shit can contribute his opinions and thoughts to put it in a more succinct manner. I for one am always holding my dick awaiting his next word.
 
is this Yeoh lam keong the millionaire ex gic Economist staying in hdb flat at marine parade who also got canadian citizenship ?


why he left GIC ? sad :(

He not super rich millionaire like some of the minsters. His father is successful surgeon and his uncle is ex-speaker of Parliament Yeoh Ghim Seng.

Ex-ACS boy and LSE graduate started his civil service career with EDB in the Manpower Division and ended up in GIC.

Die hard fisherman.
 
This is so incoherent to a lowly educated layman like me. Perhaps the Papsmear shit can contribute his opinions and thoughts to put it in a more succinct manner. I for one am always holding my dick awaiting his next word.

agreed . this Yeoh chap should write more simple for the masses to understand .:(
 
He not super rich millionaire like some of the minsters. His father is successful surgeon and his uncle is ex-speaker of Parliament Yeoh Ghim Seng.

Ex-ACS boy and LSE graduate started his civil service career with EDB in the Manpower Division and ended up in GIC.

Die hard fisherman.

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thanks for the Yeoh Ghim Seng 's part .

another elite chap staying in HDB and eating in coffeeshop. Sad :(


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elite should pay more for eating at coffeeshops and hawker centres. :D
 
He officially retired as the chief economist of GIC. A humble chap who would on occasion bring those who cannot help themselves to see their MP in Marine Parade without revealing who he is. I doubt he is a Canadian citizenship.


is this Yeoh lam keong the millionaire ex gic Economist staying in hdb flat at marine parade who also got canadian citizenship ?


why he left GIC ? sad :(
 
how much longer for those gong cheesepie to wake up their farking idea of this national scam?
 
This is what he is trying to say

1. Based on current financials the country does not need to raise taxes.

2. Our savings rate is already too high

3. If as the PM claims it is for social spending and infrastructure, he hopes it is indeed the case as the current social spending is well below International benchmarks.

4. He also points out that the social spending should be for the present generation who help build the reserves and not for future generations as it will be unfair

5. He also says the current Govt mindset has to be completely changed for these spending to benefit society and the country from the increase in taxes.
 
Most likely second home, very common amongst retirees from the Public Service upper level. Many bought houses when their kids went over to attend college.

an asian in a pristine river fishing trout... thats no tourist
 
Sister is a PS. Can’t recall which ministry. Previously from SID. Nice lady. Chee Yan’s her name.
 
This is what he is trying to say

1. Based on current financials the country does not need to raise taxes.

2. Our savings rate is already too high

3. If as the PM claims it is for social spending and infrastructure, he hopes it is indeed the case as the current social spending is well below International benchmarks.

4. He also points out that the social spending should be for the present generation who help build the reserves and not for future generations as it will be unfair

5. He also says the current Govt mindset has to be completely changed for these spending to benefit society and the country from the increase in taxes.


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another one of those in the mold of p e Tan k L . Eat inside play outside. ungrateful and self serving chap. sad.
 
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