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Why Pro-FTrash PAPee Dogs Insist On Dodging Issue of NS?

makapaaa

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'The US was, like Singapore, built on the sacrifices of economic migrants.'
MR K. KESAVAPANY: 'I have no problems with Mr Paul Chan disagreeing with me that learning experiences may not help Singapore ('Integration and immigration: Copying the US won't work', Tuesday). However, I take issue with his point that the United States 'does not suffer from the problem of economic migrants'. On the contrary, the US was, like Singapore, built on the struggles and sacrifices of economic migrants. Think of the early Irish settlers and, later, the continental migrants. Even today, economic migrants from south of the border continue to be a major issue. In fact, a wall had to be built to staunch the flow. My point is that once migrants land in the US and become citizens or green card holders, they are entitled to the full protection of the law and the economic opportunities available on the level playing field of meritocracy. It is this aspect that we should learn from the American experience, not copy from it. Of course, like Mr Chan, I endorse Mr Ngiam Tong Dow's thesis, that the integration of migrants should be done in such a manner that we do not 'become strangers in our own land'.'
=> But does the US have NS? Why must Sporns serve NS to protect FTrash to replace them? NS = Level playing field?

FORUM NOTE: The writer is the director of the Institute of Southeast Asian Studies and these are his personal views.
 

makapaaa

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<TABLE style="WIDTH: 100%" cellSpacing=2 cellPadding=0><TBODY><TR><TD style="VERTICAL-ALIGN: top" align=left><TABLE style="WIDTH: 100%" cellSpacing=2 cellPadding=0><TBODY><TR><TD style="VERTICAL-ALIGN: top" align=left><TABLE style="WIDTH: 100%" class=AlternatePost cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0><TBODY><TR><TD style="VERTICAL-ALIGN: top" align=left>KESAVAPANY,

You rightly said that "Singapore, built on the struggles and sacrifices of economic migrants". What economic sacrifices have the new immigrants made to S'pore??? These new immigrants are simply here to enjoy the fruits of our labour without any associated liability such as NS.

Yes, "...once migrants land in the US and become citizens or green card holders, they are entitled to the full protection of the law and the economic opportunities available on the level playing field of meritocracy." But the BIGGEST difference is that it is far more difficult to get US green card or citizenship than to get S'pore PR or citizenship!! In fact, S'pore govt is essentially begging foreigners to take up PR or citizenships. Another important difference is income taxes. Foreigners and PRs pay far less taxes here than in the US. Thus, they effectively don't pay for any social security benefits for S'poreans, unlike in the US.

Thirdly, green card holders and foreigners constitute only a small fraction of the US population. This is in stark contrast in S'pore, where PRs and foreigners make up a whopping 36% of the population!!
</TD></TR><TR><TD style="VERTICAL-ALIGN: top" align=left>Posted by: legolass at Fri Oct 02 10:33:40 SGT 2009
</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR><TR><TD style="VERTICAL-ALIGN: top" align=left><TABLE style="WIDTH: 100%" cellSpacing=2 cellPadding=0><TBODY><TR><TD style="VERTICAL-ALIGN: top" align=left><TABLE style="WIDTH: 100%" class=Post cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0><TBODY><TR><TD style="VERTICAL-ALIGN: top" align=left>Mr. K.kesavapany had no problem with differing opinion but he forgets the crucial situation of timing of immigration. In the US and Singapore our forefathers suffered the same fate to sacrify to build up the country.

The size of US and Singapore is totally different and the period of taking in migrants is totally different. The US started nearly 300 years ago but we started hardly 20 years age.

Before the second generation coudl enjoy the fruits of labour we are forced to share with highly educated migrants who want equal rights and enjoy what Singaporeans could not enjoy.

"Here is the nub: The Singapore Department of Statistics in 2002 showed that in 2000, 63 per cent of all ethnic Singaporean groups aged 35 to 44 years attained only secondary level education. Can these groups compete with well-educated foreign migrants for high-paying jobs created by sophisticated multinationals? Are we creating a poverty trap for low-income Singaporeans?"

What happen to the decendents of these people?

How can we integrate and change 3 million economic migrants in today's terms in Singapore. This is equal to a new population from foreign land transplanted here in just over perhaps 15 to 20 years.

I am sure if we attempt such massive influx we will become stranger in our land and the critical mass will become critical mess.
</TD></TR><TR><TD style="VERTICAL-ALIGN: top" align=left>Posted by: steamroller at Fri Oct 02 10:13:59 SGT 2009
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