'Why did it take so long to send him to NUH?'

[makapaaa]

'Why did it take so long to send him to NUH?'
MR KEVIN KOH: 'As I read the times when medical assistance was rendered, I noted the times and events:
6.05am: Private Joe Foo Wei Rong collapses and is attended by the medics.
6.40am: He is evacuated to Tengah Medical Centre
7.45am: He arrives at National University Hospital (NUH). The time taken from Pte Foo's collapse at 6.05am until he was taken to the hospital took an agonising one hour and 40 minutes. Why did it take so long to send him to NUH? A minute gone is a minute lost. I hope Mindef will also review and quicken the escalation and referral process in such cases.'

 

[makapaaa]

A $ saved is a $ earned. hee*hee*​

 

[chinkangkor]

Because NSmen's life is cheap? Only need to compensate $2k.

 

[AvalanCh3]

of cos wad remember chain of command? its for chaining people to death. so the recruit sg must inform pc to inform eng chek then to company 2ic and oc, which finally goes to to inform s3 to inform s2 to inform s1 so that xo, and co will know then permission is given which will be another chain. so by the time permission is given only 3/4 left and their ass got saves by the so called sop while you are left to die.

 

[blackmore]

More like Chains of Debate, each person discussing here and there before proceeding to the next level. Probably they have to wake up the Duty Medic from his sleep somewhere and took him a good 20 minutes to react after the collaspe. Or worst case, that 30 minutes was spent debating who should be contacting who or doing what. Typical SAF screw ups.

If the guy really had cardic arrest; the first 10 minutes would have been the critical point. Anything past 10 minutes where there won't be sufficient blood to the brain would already have render the person dead or comatose. It is amazing that they dily daly for 40 minutes before rushing to Medical Centre and took another 1 hour to a proper hospital. I guess the MOs at Tengah already knew the outcome at that point.

 

[twochan]

Because SAF only know how to talk and push blame only what.

When it comes down to doing the actual thing. FAIL.

But then never mind SAF regulars are pro at this already. Just act blur lor.

 

[Pica_NA]

after the chain of commands... they still need to wait for vehicle..... then on the road, jam...... reach hospital, they need to register, clear the room.... Doc attending to other patients, so have to wait for couple of mins....

 

[suteerak1099]

'Why did it take so long to send him to NUH?'
MR KEVIN KOH: 'As I read the times when medical assistance was rendered, I noted the times and events:
6.05am: Private Joe Foo Wei Rong collapses and is attended by the medics.
6.40am: He is evacuated to Tengah Medical Centre
7.45am: He arrives at National University Hospital (NUH). The time taken from Pte Foo's collapse at 6.05am until he was taken to the hospital took an agonising one hour and 40 minutes. Why did it take so long to send him to NUH? A minute gone is a minute lost. I hope Mindef will also review and quicken the escalation and referral process in such cases.'

given a typical situation in SAF context, the ambulance driver at the MT-line has to perform the following, prior to starting the engine:

1. fill out risk assessment form - approx 3-5min
2. get MT sgt or MTO to authorize him road worthy - approx 5-10min (subject to MT sgt or MTO availability)
3. draw vehicle key, vehicle log, fuel card, ERP cash card - approx 2min (if he signs within the lines, or have to visit CSM to sign informal punishment book as well - another 20-30min)
4. perform 1st parade task - approx 15-20min
5. check BII tool box - approx 10-15min
6. remedy shortfall (if any) - subject to availability of proper inventory
7. start engine

before the ambulance leaves camp premise, the following takes place:

1. BDO/ BOS to be informed, for authorization - approx 5-10min (subject to availability of BDO/ BOS)
2. RSM to be informed, cos RSM want his nose in everything - approx 25-30min (RSM have tendency to conduct self-convened preliminary investigation & interrogation, to verify details of incident)

consider it a miracle that it took 35min for PTE FOO to be despatched to tengah medical center. (notice, there's no mention of MO from his unit attending to him?? - so it probably means, the unit MO already knocked off)

so it is safe to say that all servicemen involved for the transit were purely following protocol; they needed to send PTE FOO to the nearest medical center for a MO to assess his condition.

the wierdest part is it took so long to assess & determine that his condition was critical enough to be sent to hospital. took 55min for PTE FOO to be despatched from tengah medical center to NUH.

so now, who's at fault? which scape-goat down the (food)chain of command to take the wrap?

1. serviceman for not endorsing his MC for lower limb injury (which may not be relative to his collapse)?
2. unit personnel for taking their own sweet time to fulfill protocol?
3. tengah medical center staff for taking their own sweet time to discern his condition critical enough to go to hospital?

or,

1. serviceman's commanders for denying him chance to endorse his MC?
2. serviceman's unit beliefs in stretching physical treshold of servicemen unwell/unfit for training?
3. serviceman's unit failure to ensure adequate medical coverage during training?
4. serviceman's unit failure to ensure smooth transit of casualty?

or,
redundancy of time consuming protocol that impedes priority matters across the board for the entire corp?

or, all the above?

 

[Leongsam]

'Why did it take so long to send him to NUH?'
MR KEVIN KOH:

He's only a private so what's the hurry?

 

[suteerak1099]

of cos wad remember chain of command? its for chaining people to death. so the recruit sg must inform pc to inform eng chek then to company 2ic and oc, which finally goes to to inform s3 to inform s2 to inform s1 so that xo, and co will know then permission is given which will be another chain. so by the time permission is given only 3/4 left and their ass got saves by the so called sop while you are left to die.

this is wat happens when we have a wayang army, an army of uncommited fools that make a career out of it.

typical scenario: serviceman collapse during training

sect comd: ??? eh, dont chao geng la, wke up!
[section stares at fallen serviceman... buddy screams for medic]
medic: ??? errr, where's the sgt??
sect comd: ya, i'm the sgt, waiting for wat? save him leh??
medic: ??? how did he collapse?
sect comd: wat u mean how he collapse? he just collapse lidat like a prata lor
medic: [confused] attempts to revive serviceman
[section renders eye power... some proceed to relak 1 corner to drink water]

[plt sgt & PC comes to act concerned... look at each other n shrug shoulders, PC screams for CSM "encik" come come n see, man down]

[CSM afraid to bear consequences, calls for OC to come along... coy 2IC tags along to see show]

medic: [stress & sweating beads while addressing CPR] i think buey-sai liao, need to send medical center
[CSM act busy, scream orders for stretcher & casavac party]
[section mates scrambling & struggling to open up stretcher]
[medic poke serviceman with IV, coordinate casavac party to unit medical center]

at unit medical center
[medic sounds alarm... all other medics & snr medic scramble to assist]
[snr medic wanna wash hands to book out, call unit MO & BDO, request for immediate evacuation]
after receiving new, MO & BDO call DFO, S3 & CO for verbal incident report... seek authorization to activate duty ambulance
authorization given, BDO & BOS coordinate ambulance to nearest medical center
BOS call to inform RSM of incident and all action taken, RSM conduct self-convened investigation on the phone.
BDO call CO & S3 to update all action plans
RSM wanna score points, call CO & S3 to update same things as BDO

ambulance driver kena stuck at guard room to fill out redundant forms, prior to driving to nearest medical center (meanwhile, serviceman in the ambulance already halfway negotiating with cow head/horse face for deferment)

 

[suteerak1099]

He's only a private so what's the hurry?

u're right.... he's just a PTE. there'd b significant difference in despatch time, had the collapsed serviceman been a cat A/ cat B/ cat C white horse.

if the fallen serviceman was minister's son, the super puma would have already landed in the unit parade square, waiting to send him to the hospital. while the best doctors & hospital directors are already formed up on the hospital roof & A&E, standing-by to address situation.

we can almost be certain that the casavac party would consist of his OC, 2IC, PC & CSM.... the medic attending to him would be replaced with either the MO or snr medic.

while the RSM would be the air marshall at the parade square.

 

[madmansg]

cause most NS slaves are like me. Learn first aid ( or for that anything else in NS slavery ) in bmt but forget everything after one week. THis may be due to amnesia from truma of NS. Need more scientfific research on this. But one thing is certain. NS is killing Sg.

 

[suteerak1099]

cause most NS slaves are like me. Learn first aid ( or for that anything else in NS slavery ) in bmt but forget everything after one week. THis may be due to amnesia from truma of NS. Need more scientfific research on this. But one thing is certain. NS is killing Sg.

its called the green uniform syndrome.

they claim that camou prints on the uniform will retard enemy reaction/detection. bt they forgot that soldiers in the same section/ platoon/ coy/ unit r all wearing the same uniform.... which means, all who dourn that uniform inevitably encounter retarded process in their brains too.

 

[twochan]

So the standard for evacuating a colonel is 1hrs, while the standard for a pte is 1hr 40mns?

You can compare apples to apples here because both of them died.

See link below for reference...
http://www.sgrunners.com/blog/2006/03/26/saf-officer-dies-during-biathlon/

He's only a private so what's the hurry?

 

[twochan]

PM son Li Hongyi is still in army?

The other time he shoot one letter so many heads fall right?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Li_Hongyi

No more juicy stories about him meh?

u're right.... he's just a PTE. there'd b significant difference in despatch time, had the collapsed serviceman been a cat A/ cat B/ cat C white horse.

if the fallen serviceman was minister's son, the super puma would have already landed in the unit parade square, waiting to send him to the hospital. while the best doctors & hospital directors are already formed up on the hospital roof & A&E, standing-by to address situation.

we can almost be certain that the casavac party would consist of his OC, 2IC, PC & CSM.... the medic attending to him would be replaced with either the MO or snr medic.

while the RSM would be the air marshall at the parade square.

 

[suteerak1099]

So the standard for evacuating a colonel is 1hrs, while the standard for a pte is 1hr 40mns?

You can compare apples to apples here because both of them died.

See link below for reference...
http://www.sgrunners.com/blog/2006/03/26/saf-officer-dies-during-biathlon/

colonel, so what... the colonel died during a biathlon organized by private organization. No relation to SAF's failure. how the colonel died, compared to the 3 young men who died while in SAF facility/ compound already proved a big difference.

had the colonel been a scholar, we would have seen the significant difference in timing.

 

[Cestbon]

To cover up. Put back the MC in Private Foo drawer.

 

[no_faith]

if he is the son of sumbody, i tink he will be sent to the hospital by rocket.