We are getting too many foreign students in our state-funded local universities !

[kojakbt]

<TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR><TD class=wintiny noWrap align=right>21165.1 </TD></TR><TR><TD height=8></TD></TR><TR><TD class=msgtxt>Just did a study. Following is a list of top 25 universities hosting foreign students in the US:

http://opendoors.iienetwork.org/?p=131540

(1st number is the # of foreign students, 2nd is the total # of students in the Univ)

1 University of Southern California Los Angeles CA 7,189 33,408
2 New York University New York NY 6,404 44,211
3 Columbia University New York NY 6,297 24,842
4 University of Illinois - Urbana-Champaign Champaign IL 5,933 41,135
5 Purdue University - Main Campus West Lafayette IN 5,772 39,102
6 University of Michigan - Ann Arbor Ann Arbor MI 5,748 41,042
7 University of California - Los Angeles Los Angeles CA 5,557 38,896
8 University of Texas - Austin Austin TX 5,550 50,201
9 Harvard University Cambridge MA 4,948 19,987
10 Boston University Boston MA 4,789 32,053
10 University of Pennsylvania Philadelphia PA 4,610 23,980
12 SUNY University at Buffalo Buffalo NY 4,363 27,405
13 Indiana University - Bloomington Bloomington IN 4,287 38,247
14 Ohio State University - Main Campus Columbus OH 4,259 52,568
15 Michigan State University East Lansing MI 4,244 46,045
16 University of Florida Gainesville FL 4,228 50,692
17 Texas A&M University College Station TX 4,094 46,542
18 Arizona State University - Tempe Tempe AZ 3,979 51,481
19 Cornell University Ithaca NY 3,928 19,800
20 University of Wisconsin - Madison Madison WI 3,910 42,043
21 Stanford University Palo Alto CA 3,898 15,856
22 Pennylvania State University - University Park University Park PA 3,860 43,252
23 University of Minnesota - Twin Cities Minneapolis MN 3,756 50,883
24 Georgia Institute of Technology Atlanta GA 3,616 18,742
25 University of Houston Houston TX 3,420 34,663

Except for USC, NYU, Columbia, Harvard, Boston, U.Penn, Cornell and Stanford which are private universities, the rest are public (principally State-funded).

Sources:
http://dir.yahoo.com/Education/Higher_Education/Colleges_and_Universities/United_States/Public/
http://dir.yahoo.com/education/higher_education/colleges_and_universities/united_states/Private/


What can we conclude from this little study? Here are the facts:

Of the 25 top US univ hosting foreign students, the 8 private ones have an average of 20.6% foreign students while the 17 public universities have an average of only 11.3% of foreign students enrollment.

So, why is our own state-funded universities NTU, NUS, SMU hosting 20%? We ought to cut our foreign student enrollment by half to about 10% so as to be in-line with international practice. Giving more places to foreign students in our local universities will compete with resources for our local students.
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[angry_one]

Not only that, most of these foreign students are fully funded by PUBLIC SCHOLARSHIPS. At least for the US, most of them are paid for on their own, or by their home governments.

That is why I will not give a single cent to my alma mater here, even if i am a billionaire.

 

[makapaaa]

>>>So, why is our own state-funded universities NTU, NUS, SMU hosting 20%? We ought to cut our foreign student enrollment by half to about 10% so as to be in-line with international practice. Giving more places to foreign students in our local universities will compete with resources for our local students.<<<

In fact this is no longer true. The actual % is closer to 50% - 75% vacancies are being reserved for FTrash! See the forum letter below.

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<!-- START OF : div id="storytext"--><!-- more than 4 paragraphs -->I REFER to yesterday's reports, 'PM signals a slower intake of immigrants' and 'A tip to students: Be driven about causes'.
I am a student at the National University of Singapore. I agree with what Prime Minister Lee Hsien Loong said that bringing in foreigners will help 'raise our standards and create a stimulating environment'.
I enjoy working with people from various cultures, having been exposed to them since Secondary 3, which is when the Ministry of Education brings in scholars from China and Asean.
However, at university level, there are sometimes too many foreign students competing for Singaporeans' space to grow.
For instance, in a mathematics lecture I attended, almost three-quarters of the class comprised foreigners. During in- lecture quizzes, it was obvious that the foreigners were better than the Singaporeans, and so 'stimulated' the learning environment.
However, it has come to a point where the competition has become stifling and stressful. This is because, in most cases, the foreign students have already learnt lower-level maths and science in their home country. Hence, Singaporeans are at a disadvantage in studying the same subject together with them.
Besides, universities here should give higher priority in offering places to Singaporean students from polytechnics and junior colleges. It is like giving your own children priority in education instead of those of a stranger.
Why should we give priority to foreign students at the expense of Singaporeans? I feel sorry for Singaporeans who have no university place because of this.
Singaporeans should be given more opportunities to learn and grow. Otherwise, many of those who cannot secure a place in a university here will go elsewhere.
Colin Tan

 

[scroobal]

Let you into a little clue. Up until the early 90s, except for a very small % of top A level students who studied abroad, the majority were in NUS. The 20% quote has been there since the late 70s. However the dynamics changed after the early 90s.

Most parents and now sending their kids overseas for better education, cosmopolitan outlook and future employment and migration opportunities. To avoid the drop in standards, they are now offering scholarships to cover this brain drain. The exception is Medicine. Even then, those can't make here go overseas. I was shocked to find out that there 25 to 30 medicals students in the 1st year of one university in a 1st World country. Can you imagine the number of Singaporeans studying medicine all over the world. It should amount to a few thousand. And guess what they are not coming back. The engineers are not coming back, neither are the law students, accountancy etc.

The only people returning will be PSC, Stat Board and GLC scholars. In 20 years time, these people will governing a country of mainly Ah Tiongs, Nguyens, Subras, Santiagos and few misguided ex-british and american romantics, who are all foreigners and naturalised citizens. The generational Singaporeans remaining will be property speculators, landlords, SPH journalists, and PAP cadres members. I bet you by this time, the Lee Clan would have left this country, carrying the ashes of the old man.

Its a lost cause. These guys have run the country to the ground without realising that GDP is not the only measure.

<TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR><TD class=wintiny noWrap align=right>21165.1 </TD></TR><TR><TD height=8></TD></TR><TR><TD class=msgtxt>Just did a study. Following is a list of top 25 universities hosting foreign students in the US:

http://opendoors.iienetwork.org/?p=131540

(1st number is the # of foreign students, 2nd is the total # of students in the Univ)

1 University of Southern California Los Angeles CA 7,189 33,408
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[makapaaa]

>>>Not only that, most of these foreign students are fully funded by PUBLIC SCHOLARSHIPS.<<<

While Sporns have to serve NS and incur heavy debt to fund their education. And these scholarships are basically free and come with living allowances for the FTrash. The Papayas will diam diam if these FTrash run road after their studies while Sporns will be publicly shamed if they break bond.

Let's face it - Peesai has been hijacked by THE MOST CCB TRAITOR FAMILEE IN THE WORLD & 66% STILL HAVE NOT WAKED UP FROM THEIR FCUKIN IDEA THEY HAVE LANDED THEMSELVES AND THEIR FELLOW CITIZENS IN COS OF THEIR STOOPIDITY!

 

[kojakbt]

Not only that, most of these foreign students are fully funded by PUBLIC SCHOLARSHIPS. At least for the US, most of them are paid for on their own, or by their home governments.

EXCELLENT Point! our Govt funds most of the school fees for PRs and FTs even if they are paying from their own pockets!

 

[ChaoPappyPoodle]

Its a lost cause. These guys have run the country to the ground without realising that GDP is not the only measure.

Of course they realise that the GDP is not the only measure. In fact GDP is falsely used by the pappies to hoodwink the people into thinking that the country is getting richer. They have nothing else. Everything else is shrouded in secrecy or manipulated to the point of being useless.

Why do you think they link their salaries to the GDP? THe pappies are nothing but useless, selfish, shameful, shameless and dishonest to the core. They can be a lot of things but as politicians they are certainly a rogue group with no idea of what being a politcian means.

 

[DerekDear]

EXCELLENT Point! our Govt funds most of the school fees for PRs and FTs even if they are paying from their own pockets!

I need an education baby. Fund me?

Get rid of them China b*tches... we can play leopard and practice real english



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[Royalblood]

AHHH YES! This is one fucking burning issue that has been bugging young Singaporeans for like eons man! Fuck the chao cheebye MIWs for placing their brains at their arses and their arses in their heads! KAN!:oIo:

Education sector is like one of the most profitable sector, assuming you charge the market international student price. The outlay is mostly the initial hefty fix cost, but this can be easily overcome as the enrolment continues on as the years go by. The more international student you enrol, the faster you recoup your fix cost. But here in Singapore, we are like paying all these Foreign trashes to come to our universities to study; instead of recouping our fix cost, we are paying variable costs by enrolling and subsidizing more of these international students in the "3 local harvards"..... simply wtf man! Then after subsidizing these foreign fucks, we have to play charity to the economies of other countries; just imagine the number of Singaporeans who lose out on a uni plc becoz of these foreign fucks and end up travelling overseas for their studies.
What do we get? Massive capital fleeing from our country when these Singaporeans study overseas. Does it not make sense to retain your own citizen in your own economy and get them to spend in the domestic economy instead of "donating" millions to the economies of Aus, US, UK and the likes!?

Even if those foreign fucks studying in the 3 local havards are not on our government scholarship, the annual tuition fee they pay is only slightly more than what our local students are paying. WHY!? Why not charge them at the market international student price since they are imposing so much cost on our country? Just look at the unis in Aus and US. They are smart enough to know that international are all fucking cash cows and they have no reasons to subsidize them; i mean, how is a $90,000 bachelor's degree program justifiable? I suppose that all these western universities are actually colluding and doing some SERIOUS price fixing on their annual tuition fees. Therefore you can actually see that the tuition fee charge by western universities are mostly around the same exhorbitant price.

But our PAP best la! They decide not to collude with the rest and strike it out on their own by charging super low price aka prostituting itself! They are like a monopoly who maximize profit via looking after the welfare of foreign fucks and KILLING SINGAPOREANS! The thinking of PAP is just simply out of this world! Fuck you PAP ccb!:oIo::oIo::oIo::oIo:

 

[makapaaa]

EXCELLENT Point! our Govt funds most of the school fees for PRs and FTs even if they are paying from their own pockets!

Is this one of the 'sharp differences' that the useless son talked about?

 

[kojakbt]

Even if those foreign fucks studying in the 3 local havards are not on our government scholarship, the annual tuition fee they pay is only slightly more than what our local students are paying. WHY!?
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But our PAP best la! They decide not to collude with the rest and strike it out on their own by charging super low price aka prostituting itself! They are like a monopoly who maximize profit via looking after the welfare of foreign fucks and KILLING SINGAPOREANS! The thinking of PAP is just simply out of this world! Fuck you PAP ccb!:oIo::oIo::oIo::oIo:

Bro, you are right. FTs only pay slightly higher than SGs in our univ. Here's the proof: https://share.nus.edu.sg/registrar/info/ug/UGTuitionCurrent.pdf

For example,

Business
SG: Total tuition fee is $26,000. Govt pays $19,000. SG pays $7,000.
PR: Total tuition fee is $26,700. Govt pays $19,000. PR pays $7,700.
FT: Total tuition fee is $29,500. Govt pays $19,000. FT pays $10,500.

Computing
SG: Total tuition fee is $33,020. Govt pays $26,400. SG pays $6,620.
PR: Total tuition fee is $33,690. Govt pays $26,400. PR pays $7,290.
FT: Total tuition fee is $36,330. Govt pays $26,400. FT pays $9,930.

Medicine
SG: Total tuition fee is $107,160. Govt pays $88,200. SG pays $18,960.
PR: Total tuition fee is $109,060. Govt pays $88,200. PR pays $20,860.
FT: Total tuition fee is $116,640. Govt pays $88,200. FT pays $28,440.

 

[kojakbt]

Is this one of the 'sharp differences' that the useless son talked about?

Well, let's take the business degree in NUS as an example:

Business
SG: Total tuition fee is $26,000. Govt pays $19,000. SG pays $7,000.
PR: Total tuition fee is $26,700. Govt pays $19,000. PR pays $7,700.

So, PR pays $700 (10%) more than us.... I guess Pinky thinks 10% is a very SHARP DIFFERENCE!

HAHAHA!

 

[kojakbt]

Is this one of the 'sharp differences' that the useless son talked about?

If 10% to him is a sharp difference oready... I don't know what would, say, 90% mean to him...

Pinky sure have a warp sense of perception...

 

[cunnosieur]

SCHOLARSHIPS N DEGREES FOR PRCS n INDIANS
http://www.rmi.nus.edu.sg/aboutus/people_research.html

WDA n SPUR FOR RETRENCHED SINKIES
http://www.rmi.nus.edu.sg/fics/

ONE UNI, TWO SYSTEMS!

 

[kojakbt]

SCHOLARSHIPS N DEGREES FOR PRCS n INDIANS
http://www.rmi.nus.edu.sg/aboutus/people_research.html

Shit! All PRCs and Yeedians!

 

[cunnosieur]

共匪 (gòngfěi) 窝

 

[annexa]

What is HKU %?

 

[kojakbt]

What is HKU %?

Not too sure.... if I come across the stats, will let u know. All in all, I think the kind of FTs in HKU would be PRCs lah... but then again, we musn't forget, HK belongs to PRC...

 

[ccchia]

Pinky is certainly a moron. 10% is not a "sharp difference".
What he is being paid for being PM compared to the average peasant's salary is a sharp difference.

When I was studying in Texas many years ago, the in-state school fee rate (for those residents of Texas) was US$4 per credit hour, while out-of-state rate was US$14 and international rate was US$40 per credit hour. The minimum credit hours enrolled for full-time students was 12 credit hours per semester, and I believe I normally did close to 20hours per semester. That was an example of "sharp difference".

 

[kojakbt]

Pinky is certainly a moron. 10% is not a "sharp difference".
What he is being paid for being PM compared to the average peasant's salary is a sharp difference.

When I was studying in Texas many years ago, the in-state school fee rate (for those residents of Texas) was US$4 per credit hour, while out-of-state rate was US$14 and international rate was US$40 per credit hour. The minimum credit hours enrolled for full-time students was 12 credit hours per semester, and I believe I normally did close to 20hours per semester. That was an example of "sharp difference".

Usually in the states, there is a min number of credits required for foreign students to study. This is generally to prevent foreign students from working in case he's got too much free time.

Over here in Singapore, all the FT studying in polys, local univs are in fact allowed to work part time in Singapore!!!

I don't know what the fark is wrong with this PAP govt... they are so scared of losing FTs... so much so that it doesn't matter if FTs compete with citizens for jobs or lowering our salaries because of competitions...