Wah Tiu's Pride : BYD Seal taken apart by Japan to learn about the 'future EV leader' design philosophy

[SBFNews]

BYD Seal taken apart by Japan to learn about the 'future EV leader' design philosophy​

The new Seal facelift gets a teardown (image: Nikkei BP)

After BYD took apart Corollas in days past to see how they are made, it's now Japan's turn to learn about making electric vehicles from China. The largest Japanese publishing house will issue a rather pricey BYD Seal disassembly and surface manual with preface saying that is how the 'future EV leader' does cars.

The biggest publishing house in Japan - Nikkei BP - has bought a BYD Seal electric car and taken it apart completely in order to understand the thought process of "the Chinese manufacturer that will lead the world of EVs in the future," according to the preface. The full disassembly and service manual will be released September 15 alongside a video documenting the process.

Called "China BYD SEAL Thoroughly Disassembled (Complete Edition)," the manual consists of 350 pages of disassembly photos, component explanations, and repair guidelines. It is priced at the whopping US$6,340 equivalent, indicating that it is aimed at part OEMs and automotive R&D decision makers, rather than individual owners.

Japan has a history of doing such dismantling operations to gauge where a competing nation stands, just like BYD was taking apart Toyotas and Hondas in the dawn of its gas-powered vehicle production era. This prompted that same Nikkei BP publishing house to release a lengthy Chinese car industry analysis back in 2003 that concluded China is ten years behind Japan in automotive know-how.

Now that the tables have turned and BYD may even surpass Tesla to become the world's largest EV maker, Japan took apart its bestselling Seal - a direct Model 3 competitor - to see what makes it tick. After examining the cell-to-pack chassis technology with integrated Blade Battery, the design and other components, they came away "believing that BYD has surpassed Tesla to become the world's number one EV manufacturer, and that BYD has the foresight to lead the world standard in design."

Nikkei BP has also done similar disassembly manuals for Tesla vehicles, as well as other EVs, so it has a good basis for comparison. A Toyota exec recently said that its engineers have taken apart a Model Y and came away impressed with how efficiently it is built, with barely a redundant component in sight. Now Toyota, Honda, and other Japanese automakers that are transitioning to the EV era can find another great electric car build example in the BYD Seal, too, courtesy of the pricey Nikkei BP teardown manual.

 

[blackmondy]

I'm sure the Japs will be in a rude shock after discovering how much Japanese tech is inside BYD cars.

 

[Leongsam]

Tesla's value is in it's software.

 

[blackmondy]

Tesla's value is in it's software.

I can't help my pedantry in grammar. It should be :

Tesla's value is in its software, without the apostrophe.

BYD's value, in contrast, is in its theftware.

 

[Patriotmissile]

Ev has simpler mechanics than gasoline pistons. Tiong cock's no big deal. BUILD YOUR DREAM is just a battery and face mask maker.

 

[Leongsam]

Ev has simpler mechanics than gasoline pistons. Tiong cock's no big deal. BUILD YOUR DREAM is just a battery and face mask maker.

No FSD so dead in the water.

 

[syed putra]

I'm sure the Japs will be in a rude shock after discovering how much Japanese tech is inside BYD cars.

Tesla first batteries were by panasonic .
But typical Japanese when they cannot compete with Chinese, they gave up or sell business.panasonic also shut it's solar panel business as cannot compete.

 

[syed putra]

Tesla's value is in it's software.

VW buy into Xpeng who then buys Didi autonomous software.

 

[myfoot123]

Tesla's value is in it's software.

BYD value is in its pricing, its reliable access to battery and 5G networks. No country can beat China.

 

[nightsafari]

No FSD so dead in the water.

You really are a sucker for vainglorious BS. There is no such thing as FSD as of today.

 

[blackmondy]

BYD value is in its pricing, its reliable access to battery and 5G networks. No country can beat China.

FUCK CHINA.

 

[Leongsam]

You really are a sucker for vainglorious BS. There is no such thing as FSD as of today.

All the foundations are in place. It's just a matter of getting to the point where interventions are hardly ever necessary and crashes are few and far between. It will never be perfect but it will be many orders safer than a human.

 

[Leongsam]

VW buy into Xpeng who then buys Didi autonomous software.

Any car that needs Lidar to navigate will not be practical or commercially viable.

 

[Eisenhut]

Tesla's value is in it's software.

If you can code software for Taobao, Wechat, Alibaba Alipay , coding for EV is very much similar.

Besides in China, they can learn from mistakes without being sue til pants drop

 

[Leongsam]

If you can code software for Taobao, Wechat, Alibaba Alipay , coding for EV is very much similar.

Besides in China, they can learn from mistakes without being sue til pants drop

Tesla has 4 million cars coaching its FSD modules and this number will increase exponentially.

It will take a long time before competitors catch up if ever.

This x post does a good job of summarising how FSD learns.

This is AI operating in a real world environment.

 

[syed putra]

 

[syed putra]

Based on this report , fsd cost additional 15-20% of tesla model 3

Tesla Model 3 ready for booking from RM189,000​

By CARSIFU | 1 September 2023

KUALA LUMPUR: Tesla in Malaysia has announced the prices of its upcoming all-electric Model 3 for the local market on its website.

The model is available in the Rear-Wheel Drive and Dual Motor All-Wheel Drive Long Range variants, which are priced at RM189,000 and RM218,000 respectively.

The cars are ready for order at the website with the first deliveries arriving later this year.

Standard equipment includes an ultra-responsive 15.4-inch centre touchscreen that can be used to set driving features and cabin settings, voice commands, an all-glass roof, ventilated seats, active safety features like Automatic Emergency Braking, and 18-inch "Photon" wheels at no extra cost.

The Rear-Wheel Drive comes with a range of 513km (WLTP), a top speed of 210kph and a 0-100kph sprint of 6.1 seconds.

Meanwhile, the All-Wheel Drive delivers more performance with a range of 629km and a 0-100kph dash of 4.4 seconds while having the same top speed of 201kph.

The standard colour is Pearl White Multi-Coat while Solid Black and Deep Blue Metallic cost RM5,000 more.

Stealth Grey and Ultra Red will bump the price by RM7,500 and RM11,000 respectively.

Wheels can also be upgraded to the 19-inch "Nova" at RM7,500.

The standard interior is Black but an optional Black and White is available at RM5,000.

Buyers can also choose the optional Enhanced Autopilot that features Navigate on Autopilot, Auto Lane Change, Autopark, Summon and Smart Summon at an extra RM16,000.

There is also the RM32,000 Full Self-Driving Capability option that combines all functions of Basic Autopilot and Enhanced Autopilot

 

[eatshitndie]

Tesla has 4 million cars coaching its FSD modules and this number will increase exponentially.

It will take a long time before competitors catch up if ever.

This x post does a good job of summarising how FSD learns.

This is AI operating in a real world environment.

there’s a problem with that at either 2-way or 4-way stop signs. heck, there are even 3-way stops at t-junctions and y-junctions. at some 2-way, 3-way, 4-way stops not all lanes have stop signs. there’s a notorious 3-way junction on gill and i880-s off ramp in sj where there are only 2 stop signs. the 880 off ramp has no stop sign and has right of way straight thru’ and left turn. when vehicles are waiting at the 2 stop signs the fsd on tesla will stop for them to cross which is wrong as there’s no stop sign and white line on the off ramp, but fsd sees it as a 3-way stop. as a human driver i can scan around and look for stop signs (octagons) in a complicated unconventional junction above eye level to check if vehicles on other lanes leading to junction have to stop, but the sensors with ai on tesla don’t look for those idiosyncracies and outliers. it has to be supplemented with updated mapping software. updated maps will tell where stop signs are like applemap helping to navigate that notorious sj junction. but not all maps are updated timely and can navigate thru’ wierd non-conventional situations especially in remote and rural areas with hardly any teslas going thru’. what if the other road in the junction has no stop sign and the map is not up to date? tesla fsd stops and moves thinking it’s all clear but fruit truck on the left barrels thru’ as it has no stop sign. it will need a nasty accident to learn which is risky and not optimal. so many times on 101 there’s a tesla on fsd that gets stalled in the middle lane in peak commute, and this is a metro area with multiple lane changes and road reconfigurations where maps don’t catch up in real time, especially the ongoing rework on us-101 and highway 87. if the stupid tesla driver stops using fsd in that location, stalls (that cause accidents) will not happen. too many tesla drivers in sv think they can rely on fsd and play games and do their social media browsing while cruising on the road. one couple was caught fondling and embracing in the back seat in an ev on autonomous drive mode. but the ai in fsd has not caught up with all the outlier and wierd conditions which are now happening more frequently with road sexpansions, reconfigurations, construction detours, hazard signages propping up with little to no notice or warning, etc. many recent accidents in sf where emergency vehicles (police, ambulances, fire trucks) are involved have caused the city to pull back on issuing more licenses for autonomous (non-human driving) vehicles.

on the flip side, when teslas on fsd are required to stop they don’t stop.
https://arstechnica.com/cars/2022/02/tesla-recalls-53822-cars-because-they-wont-stop-at-stop-signs/
https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/rcl/20...tact Tesla customer service at 1-877-798-3752.

 

[Leongsam]

there’s a problem with that at either 2-way or 4-way stop signs. heck, there are even 3-way stops at t-junctions and y-junctions. at some 2-way, 3-way, 4-way stops not all lanes have stop signs. there’s a notorious 3-way junction on gill and i880-s off ramp in sj where there are only 2 stop signs. the 880 off ramp has no stop sign and has right of way straight thru’ and left turn. when vehicles are waiting at the 2 stop signs the fsd on tesla will stop for them to cross which is wrong as there’s no stop sign and white line on the off ramp, but fsd sees it as a 3-way stop. as a human driver i can scan around and look for stop signs (octagons) in a complicated unconventional junction above eye level to check if vehicles on other lanes leading to junction have to stop, but the sensors with ai on tesla don’t look for those idiosyncracies and outliers. it has to be supplemented with updated mapping software. updated maps will tell where stop signs are like applemap helping to navigate that notorious sj junction. but not all maps are updated timely and can navigate thru’ wierd non-conventional situations especially in remote and rural areas with hardly any teslas going thru’. what if the other road in the junction has no stop sign and the map is not up to date? tesla fsd stops and moves thinking it’s all clear but fruit truck on the left barrels thru’ as it has no stop sign. it will need a nasty accident to learn which is risky and not optimal. so many times on 101 there’s a tesla on fsd that gets stalled in the middle lane in peak commute, and this is a metro area with multiple lane changes and road reconfigurations where maps don’t catch up in real time, especially the ongoing rework on us-101 and highway 87. if the stupid tesla driver stops using fsd in that location, stalls (that cause accidents) will not happen. too many tesla drivers in sv think they can rely on fsd and play games and do their social media browsing while cruising on the road. one couple was caught fondling and embracing in the back seat in an ev on autonomous drive mode. but the ai in fsd has not caught up with all the outlier and wierd conditions which are now happening more frequently with road sexpansions, reconfigurations, construction detours, hazard signages propping up with little to no notice or warning, etc. many recent accidents in sf where emergency vehicles (police, ambulances, fire trucks) are involved have caused the city to pull back on issuing more licenses for autonomous (non-human driving) vehicles.

on the flip side, when teslas on fsd are required to stop they don’t stop.
https://arstechnica.com/cars/2022/02/tesla-recalls-53822-cars-because-they-wont-stop-at-stop-signs/
https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/rcl/2022/RCAK-22V037-9109.pdf#:~:text=Failing to stop at a stop sign can,Owners may contact Tesla customer service at 1-877-798-3752.

Drivers get confused far more often. Let's see how things go. I'm optimistic.

 

[eatshitndie]

Drivers get confused far more often. Let's see how things go. I'm optimistic.

may be when roads are well marked, demarcated, fully built, have working lights, readable signs, are cleared of errant scooters, cyclists, pedestrians, jaywalkers, strollers, delivery vans illegally stopped and parked, 1st responder vehicles not running red lights with sirens blaring, and most important of all, 100% of all vehicles are autonomous and communicate with each other with flawless 6.9g, software, sensors, and real time updates. may be by 2069.