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[Video] - Putin: I Asked US President Bill Clinton "How Would USA Feel About Russia Joining NATO?"

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Oleg Petrov

Oleg Petrov

12 days ago
I remember in late 90-es, a US general, who was the Supreme Allied Commander Europe at that time, was asked if Russia could join NATO. He said it was not possible "because in such a case scenario NATO would lose its purpose".
 
The divide now is too great, I can't see how it can be business as usual. A new cold war ---> and ww3.
It was US thst kept provoking and instigating.
Germany and most of europe was busy trading and doing business with russia. That was why they see being dependent on russian gas was just a natural expansion to trade. Cold war was over as far as europe was concerned. Germany and most other european states had cut down on military spending.
Its nato that kept on going eastward despite Russian reservation and protests and triggered this escalation.
 
It was US thst kept provoking and instigating.
Germany and most of europe was busy trading and doing business with russia. That was why they see being dependent on russian gas was just a natural expansion to trade. Cold war was over as far as europe was concerned. Germany and most other european states had cut down on military spending.
Its nato that kept on going eastward despite Russian reservation and protests and triggered this escalation.
Both nato and russia are to be blamed. Putin is a murderous dictator, power hungry too. Former soviet states just do not trust him, they didn't feel safe. Really sad for the many russians who just want to lead normal lives and being a part of the global community. Also, there's always been a general mistrust of the soviets after ww2. And putin does not give the impression that he is a warm, friendly and sincere person. I guess once a KGB, always a KGB.
 
Putin should reward USA with the Zircon and Khinzal presents. Make them feel the consequences of their decisions.
 



Oleg Petrov

Oleg Petrov

12 days ago
I remember in late 90-es, a US general, who was the Supreme Allied Commander Europe at that time, was asked if Russia could join NATO. He said it was not possible "because in such a case scenario NATO would lose its purpose".

China and Russia form a NATO v2.0 corridor of neighbours from joining NATO.

Superpower nations need real enemy US to compete for arm races orelse face CH antitrust law like Facebook Google and Amazon.... must split up...

When God has enemy the Satan so be it... hoot ah.... play Chinese Chess game need enemy so be it.... don't have enemy go create one....
 
Actually easy for Russia.

Lease his corridor land to one of Asian country say Taiwan or Singapore, for example, facing Ukraine on a 150 year lease... like evil BE lease HK from China...

Use a 3rd party as a buffer zone similar to Ukraine join NATO lease their corridor land to put NATO armed weapons facing Russia...

Chinese chess game use tu ji.... stalled the seed move.. stay put there your seed is going nowhere...
 
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Actually easy for China to annoy USE.... the anointed enemy no 1.

Lease out HK again to say Germany or France for 100 years.... to piss off evil USE, United State Empire.

After all HK is a bitch fucked by evil BE for 200 years no different kenna fuck one more time....

This way since Germany and France are one of NATO chief heads can block US and piss off USE....

Conflict of interest is part of Chinese chess game to make the game more interesting.... and a game can reset and play over again...
 
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Tell that Bloodymir Putin don't talk cock lah. With an ex-Soviet Commie mentality, why doesn't he first ask himself: Will NATO accept his membership or not?
 
The divide now is too great, I can't see how it can be business as usual. A new cold war ---> and ww3.
Once Bloodymir Putin is eliminated, it can then be business as usual, albeit with a little more time needed AND coupled with no more nonsense from the CCP about invading Taiwan. However, I have to admit that the first task is not easy.
 
Both nato and russia are to be blamed. Putin is a murderous dictator, power hungry too. Former soviet states just do not trust him, they didn't feel safe. Really sad for the many russians who just want to lead normal lives and being a part of the global community. Also, there's always been a general mistrust of the soviets after ww2. And putin does not give the impression that he is a warm, friendly and sincere person. I guess once a KGB, always a KGB.
The facts are laid out clearly explaining Russian security concern. US admit openly the purpose of NATO is to choke Russia. “Both are to be blamed” and then you go on explaining the evils of Putin you hear from CNN, character assasination on Putin. It is precisely this type of attitude that leads to war. The US had done that to many small countries who are unable to fight back. Not this time. China is firmly behind Russia and whatever the outcome of the war is, Russia WILL be heard.
 
The facts are laid out clearly explaining Russian security concern. US admit openly the purpose of NATO is to choke Russia. “Both are to be blamed” and then you go on explaining the evils of Putin you hear from CNN, character assasination on Putin. It is precisely this type of attitude that leads to war. The US had done that to many small countries who are unable to fight back. Not this time. China is firmly behind Russia and whatever the outcome of the war is, Russia WILL be heard.
Well, I am sorry you found my post incomplete and hence unpalatable.

Not just CNN, but also FOX, Sky, France24, DW, al jazeera, NHK and a host of others I can't recall now. I scroll through many news channels every night. Why are you so against CNN? They are very pro-CCP? Not called the China/Communist News Network for nothing.

China is firmly behind Russia?? China has officially said they are neutral, and even offered to be mediator to end the war. In this aspect, I am behind China. Anyone who wants to end conflict and suffering, and help create peace is to be supported.

You are so anti-US anti-west that anyone or anything that aligns with your world view will automatically get your support. This is very myopic.

And BTW, if Saddam and Gaddafi were to tell their civilians to fight for their country, the take up rate would be zero. Who wants to fight to retain and maintain a tyrannical, murderous dictatorship?

If Putin had focus on economic growth, stop scheming to return to formal glories, court the west in earnest to allay their mistrust and suspicion, and stop killing/jailing his opponents, the west might just be more receptive.

Whoever starts a war is automatically wrong. Between china/russia and the democratic world, I choose to support the latter. Because they are the lesser of two evils.
 
Once Bloodymir Putin is eliminated, it can then be business as usual, albeit with a little more time needed AND coupled with no more nonsense from the CCP about invading Taiwan. However, I have to admit that the first task is not easy.
A country that's shut out from the world becomes a pariah. Their people suffer because they will be economically backward and deprived of good and meaningful lives. At this juncture, the only way for Russia to rejoin the international community is to get rid of putin.
 
Singapore has joined the list of countries who are "unfriendly" to Russia. I am not a PAP supporter but I am behind them on this. We must stand up for principles - might is not right. Also, it helps that we don't really trade with Russia and don't buy Russian arms.:biggrin:
 
A country that's shut out from the world becomes a pariah. Their people suffer because they will be economically backward and deprived of good and meaningful lives. At this juncture, the only way for Russia to rejoin the international community is to get rid of putin.
The world is a lot bigger than US and Europe though. China obviously have to declare neutrality as no country in the world will openly support an attacking country but in reality, China and Russia alone is enough to form an economic block. Slowly and surely, one by one, the rests of the world crippling under soaring energy prices will make contact with your “pariahs”
 
Well, I am sorry you found my post incomplete and hence unpalatable.

Not just CNN, but also FOX, Sky, France24, DW, al jazeera, NHK and a host of others I can't recall now. I scroll through many news channels every night. Why are you so against CNN? They are very pro-CCP? Not called the China/Communist News Network for nothing.

China is firmly behind Russia?? China has officially said they are neutral, and even offered to be mediator to end the war. In this aspect, I am behind China. Anyone who wants to end conflict and suffering, and help create peace is to be supported.

You are so anti-US anti-west that anyone or anything that aligns with your world view will automatically get your support. This is very myopic.

And BTW, if Saddam and Gaddafi were to tell their civilians to fight for their country, the take up rate would be zero. Who wants to fight to retain and maintain a tyrannical, murderous dictatorship?

If Putin had focus on economic growth, stop scheming to return to formal glories, court the west in earnest to allay their mistrust and suspicion, and stop killing/jailing his opponents, the west might just be more receptive.

Whoever starts a war is automatically wrong. Between china/russia and the democratic world, I choose to support the latter. Because they are the lesser of two evils.
Very rightly put. In this 21st century, a country will be looked upon as a Pariah if it needs to conquer another country to make it looks strong. It should promote its own domestic industries and new development to entice the world that their products are required and necessary. You don't need to fight physically if your products are highly sourced and required by the world, eg: TSMC and the various Japanese companies (Canon, Kyocera, TDK, etc) where their products are the only ones in the world (at least for now) to reliably support the semiconductor industries.
 
Very rightly put. In this 21st century, a country will be looked upon as a Pariah if it needs to conquer another country to make it looks strong. It should promote its own domestic industries and new development to entice the world that their products are required and necessary. You don't need to fight physically if your products are highly valued and required by the world, eg: TSMC and the various Japanese companies (Canon, Kyocera, TDK, etc) where their products are the only ones in the world (at least for now) to reliably support the semiconductor industries.
You have completely missed the point. Russia has no industries? Do you live under the rock? It has nothing to do with economics, it is about security. If you want to understand which country are attacking and maligning another for economy, look no further than the USA
 
The world is a lot bigger than US and Europe though. China obviously have to declare neutrality as no country in the world will openly support an attacking country but in reality, China and Russia alone is enough to form an economic block. Slowly and surely, one by one, the rests of the world crippling under soaring energy prices will make contact with your “pariahs”
This is why china can get away with a lot of bs, because they are the world's factory. And china knows it. Although more and more MNCs are steering away, to reduce dependency. Don't know how long people can tahan buying goods at a higher price, now it is gas and petroleum products.
 
You have completely missed the point. Russia has no industries? Do you live under the rock? It has nothing to do with economics, it is about security. If you want to understand which country are attacking and maligning another for economy, look no further than the USA
That's where you are wrong. Russia does have capable defense industries and good talents. If their government had not "closed" themselves from the outside world and followed what Deng had done for China, it can be as successful today without having the need to invade others. Those on the wrong side are like North Korea and Russia. Winnie is going back to the Mao era and this won't be good for China in the long term.
 
Very rightly put. In this 21st century, a country will be looked upon as a Pariah if it needs to conquer another country to make it looks strong. It should promote its own domestic industries and new development to entice the world that their products are required and necessary. You don't need to fight physically if your products are highly sourced and required by the world, eg: TSMC and the various Japanese companies (Canon, Kyocera, TDK, etc) where their products are the only ones in the world (at least for now) to reliably support the semiconductor industries.
War and conquest have no place the 21st century. Japan and Germany were trashed after ww2. Yes, the allies helped to rebuild them, but credit went to their enlightened leaders and hardworking people. Like you mentioned, they made and still make excellent products which the world use. Now they are such prosperous and strong countries. Wealth is might. What's the use of clinging to an ideology, have a fucking big country but so underdeveloped?
 
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