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Vertical Farming fail: how many investors tio conned? Climate Conversations Podcast: Sky high farming solves one climate problem but creates another

Hightech88

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https://www.channelnewsasia.com/pod...getables-energy-climate-conversations-4436976

Climate Conversations Podcast: Sky high farming solves one climate problem but creates another​

It isn't just Singapore which is seeing agri-tech firms shutting or scaling down - it is happening in other parts of the world too.

Hosts Jack Board and Liling Tan bring years of expertise covering climate change and sustainability to this weekly podcast. A one-stop shop for news, views and interviews.
27 Jun 2024 08:22AM(Updated: 27 Jun 2024 09:08AM)

The vertical farming revolution is a way to deal with the impact of climate change on traditional farming and food insecurity. But heavy energy and technology costs are getting in the way of scale and commercial success.
Jack Board and Liling Tan lay out the facts on this episode of the Climate Conversations podcast.
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Sky Greens is Singapore’s first farm to secure a new national standard for organic primary produce grown in or near an urban area. (Photo: Nespresso)

Here's an excerpt from the conversation:

Liling Tan:
You mentioned that at COP28, more than US$7billion was raised for "climate positive action" in the food systems sector. Basically, it's to help global food systems fight climate change. Given that food production is responsible for about a third of greenhouse gas emissions, about 30 percent, and increasingly, it's also being threatened by worsening droughts and unpredictable weather patterns.

So I'm expecting food to be even more front and centre (of discussions) as we go forward at these climate summits, especially with all this talk of high tech solutions like vertical farming.

Jack Board:
I would definitely agree. So let's dig into the tech a bit, and then also what's happening in Asia. Answer me, Liling, is this technology actually producing positive results in Southeast Asia in particular, from what you've seen, what you've been reporting about, and is it proving to be this silver bullet that we need to push the needle on, on both carbon emissions and food security concerns?

Liling:
Yes and no. Vertical farming provides a really controlled environment that is data driven. You can track the data, the conditions. So it really allows the operators to fully manage the surrounding in which these produce are being grown. The problem is how energy-intensive it can be to basically create artificial sunlight and it makes it very hard to compete when it comes to pricing against other more traditionally grown produce, including imported ones. So this is raising questions about their viability in the short to medium term, especially for an industry that's still considered rather nascent.
 

cat

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not enough land, everything is imported, so tax the citizens sky high to get more monies to pay their millionaire salaries every year and then when the shit hits the fan, these pap bastards will be first to flee the country and you peasants NSMen go help fight and defend because your lives are cheaper than theirs
 

Byebye Penis

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vertical farming uses artificial lights, to produce UV and blue lights. Some will also need air conditioning or temp-ventilation control. Our carbon tax will increase by 10x by 2030.

Not only that it is a waste of energy, MOM is turning a blind eye towards the health hazards (UV and Blue Light) that Singaporeans working in vertical farms are exposed too.

https://www.a-star.edu.sg/News/asta...e-urban-farming---lighting-up-our-local-farms

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jsctan

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Our land is to build concrete jungle, not for farming. In future, we got to be thankful for stale, pesticide produced or frozen food imported in.
 

k1976

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https://www.channelnewsasia.com/pod...getables-energy-climate-conversations-4436976

Climate Conversations Podcast: Sky high farming solves one climate problem but creates another​

It isn't just Singapore which is seeing agri-tech firms shutting or scaling down - it is happening in other parts of the world too.

Hosts Jack Board and Liling Tan bring years of expertise covering climate change and sustainability to this weekly podcast. A one-stop shop for news, views and interviews.
27 Jun 2024 08:22AM(Updated: 27 Jun 2024 09:08AM)

The vertical farming revolution is a way to deal with the impact of climate change on traditional farming and food insecurity. But heavy energy and technology costs are getting in the way of scale and commercial success.
Jack Board and Liling Tan lay out the facts on this episode of the Climate Conversations podcast.
sky-green-vertical-farm.jpg


Sky Greens is Singapore’s first farm to secure a new national standard for organic primary produce grown in or near an urban area. (Photo: Nespresso)

Here's an excerpt from the conversation:

Liling Tan:
You mentioned that at COP28, more than US$7billion was raised for "climate positive action" in the food systems sector. Basically, it's to help global food systems fight climate change. Given that food production is responsible for about a third of greenhouse gas emissions, about 30 percent, and increasingly, it's also being threatened by worsening droughts and unpredictable weather patterns.

So I'm expecting food to be even more front and centre (of discussions) as we go forward at these climate summits, especially with all this talk of high tech solutions like vertical farming.

Jack Board:
I would definitely agree. So let's dig into the tech a bit, and then also what's happening in Asia. Answer me, Liling, is this technology actually producing positive results in Southeast Asia in particular, from what you've seen, what you've been reporting about, and is it proving to be this silver bullet that we need to push the needle on, on both carbon emissions and food security concerns?

Liling:
Yes and no. Vertical farming provides a really controlled environment that is data driven. You can track the data, the conditions. So it really allows the operators to fully manage the surrounding in which these produce are being grown. The problem is how energy-intensive it can be to basically create artificial sunlight and it makes it very hard to compete when it comes to pricing against other more traditionally grown produce, including imported ones. So this is raising questions about their viability in the short to medium term, especially for an industry that's still considered rather nascent.
Technical feasibity study for Large Scale farm on Moon Base or Mar Colony.

A key enabling tech for human space exploration
 

k1976

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Perhaps like the movie Elysium?
They need to have space manufacting and mining facilities to gain next material breakthru, which is only possiible in low gravity and high vacuum environment

1. Reduce Crystalline defect
2. CHeap vacuum for large scale high density plasma fabrication
3. Large scale single crystal growing process
4. Oxygen and moisture free ambient
5. Superconducting property at ultra low temp of -140degC
 

jsctan

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not enough land, everything is imported, so tax the citizens sky high to get more monies to pay their millionaire salaries every year and then when the shit hits the fan, these pap bastards will be first to flee the country and you peasants NSMen go help fight and defend because your lives are cheaper than theirs
Enough land for 3millions + but not enough for 6 to 10millions. Where do we get the additional 3-7 millions population?
 

Hightech88

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Technical feasibity study for Large Scale farm on Moon Base or Mar Colony.

A key enabling tech for human space exploration

Yes, if used for space-exploration is fine and obviously the only way to farm indoors but don't CB come and sell in the market at the expense of 30x higher energy usage (yes, 30x, siao, see below article from RSIS, LOL) or highly inflated price under the guise of 'organic' products.

https://www.rsis.edu.sg/rsis-publication/nts/vertical-farms-are-they-sustainable

Vertical Farms​

Vertical farming has emerged as one of the potential solutions to grow more on limited land. The benefits of vertical farming and other urban farming innovations are well documented. Most notable among these benefits include lower water consumption, reduced food transportation needs (and corresponding greenhouse gas [GHG] emission reduction) and higher yields.

Together, these outcomes support the Singapore Food Agency’s 30by30 Goal and the recently announced Singapore Green Plan 2030. But from an overall sustainability perspective, sustainability assessments must include all the visible and non-visible costs and benefits of vertical farming.

One such approach is a life-cycle analysis (LCA) which, among other things, includes a review of energy consumption, and can provide a more meaningful insight on the impact on vertical farms on Singapore’s sustainable development agenda.

What Powers Vertical Farms​

Vertical farms need electricity. Lots of it. While different types of vertical farming systems may vary in their energy needs, energy consumption is more intensive in the indoor, controlled environments of vertical farms. The difference in energy requirements for vertical farms, as compared to conventional farms, are significant.

For example, strawberries grown on a conventional farm in Chile require 0.4524 kiloWatt hours (kWh) of electricity per square metre per year (sq.m/year). Whereas strawberries grown on a vertical farm in Russia require over 3,000% more energy at 1,404 kWh/sq.m/year. To put that in context, a four-room HDB’s average electricity consumption is 3.99 kWh/sq.m/year.

Isolated comparisons like this are not without criticism and often do not factor in one critical element: the source of the electricity being consumed. For example, frozen chicken imported to Singapore from Brazil has 15% lower GHG emissions than chicken from Malaysia despite the transport distance differences.

Brazil uses hydropower renewable energy during the production and processing stages while Malaysia relies on fossil fuels. The source of energy affects the GHG emissions footprint and therefore plays a large part in the sustainability assessment of an activit
 

laksaboy

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Anyone who propagates the anti-carbon lie should be disregarded.

CNA is a mouthpiece of the PAP regime, which is a 'good boy' of the WEF Davos crowd, where the anti-carbon bullshit originated from.

There is no climate problem, there is no climate crisis. Fuck you to hell if you believe there is.
 
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