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USA is suffering poor 3rd world crisis like ex-USSR

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The basic infrastructure like railroads are all very old and poorly maintained, the trains the bridges the dams the power-grid the pipelines are full of outdated and dangerous crisis.

These are very 3rd world problems the American are suffering - even as a super power - a dying super-power. The people of ex-Soviet Union were also going through the same shit. Mines collapsed, tunnel collapse, train derailed, train collision, bridge collapse, forest burnt, power failures etc.

Endlessly.

Today's Washington DC train crash is an example, last week Chicago train derailing and explosion blaze was another. There are countless examples popping up.

Today's DC train was supposed to be PHASED OUT, but still in use.

Chicago's rail tracks were washed out by rain, no maintenance.

These are basically Economic and Financial Problems, the crisis of money reflected in damages and losses and deaths.

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NTSB: Train in crash was recommended for phaseout
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By BRIAN WITTE, Associated Press Writer Brian Witte, Associated Press Writer – 29 mins ago

WASHINGTON – The subway train that plowed into another stopped train, killing nine people and injuring scores of others in the nation's capital, was part of an aging fleet that federal officials had sought to phase out because of safety concerns, an investigator said Tuesday.

The Metrorail transit system kept the old trains running despite warnings in 2006, said Debbie Hersman of the National Transportation Safety Board. It wasn't immediately clear whether the train's age played a role in the rush-hour collision Monday.

The crash sent more than 70 people to hospitals. Metro officials said two men and seven women, all adults, were killed.

Mayor Adrian Fenty said at an earlier news conference that seven people were killed and he hoped the death toll did not climb any higher.

Hersman said investigators expect to recover recorders from the train that was struck, but the train that triggered the collision was part of an old fleet and not equipped with the devices, which can provide valuable information on the cause of a crash.

She told The Associated Press that the NTSB had warned of safety problems and recommended the old fleet be phased out or retrofitted to make it better withstand a crash. Neither was done, she said, which the NTSB considered "unacceptable."

Metro General Manager John Catoe said the agency expected to receive proposals "over the next month or so" to replace the old cars, but new trains were still years away from being installed.

It was the worst crash in the history of Metrorail, the pride of the District of Colombia tourism industry that has shuttled tourists and commuters around Washington and to Maryland and Virginia suburbs for more than three decades.

The operator of the train that barreled into the stopped cars Monday was identified as Jeanice McMillan, 42, of Springfield, Va., according to Metro officials.

McMillan was hired in March 2007 as a bus driver and was tapped to become a train operator in December. Metro spokeswoman Candace Smith said employees start out as bus drivers before moving to trains.

Metro has a computerized system on most trains during rush hour that is supposed to control braking, speeds and prevent collisions, but it has failed before. In June 2005, in a tunnel under the Potomac River, a train operator noticed he was getting too close to the train ahead of him even though the system indicated the track was clear. He hit the emergency brake in time, as did the operator of another train behind him.

Smith didn't immediately know the outcome of the investigation into that incident, which she called "highly unusual."

The crash Monday occurred on the red line near the D.C. and Maryland border, in an area where higher train speeds are common because there is a longer distance between stops. Trains can go 55 to 59 miles per hour, though it wasn't clear how fast the train that crashed was traveling.

One of McMillan's neighbors said she was proud of her job and was a meticulous mother who ironed her Metro uniform every night.

"If she could have stopped the train, she would have done everything in her power," said Joanne Harrison, who lives across the hall from McMillan.

Passenger Maya Maroto, 31, was riding on McMillan's train.

"We were going full speed — I didn't hear any braking. Everything was just going normally. Then there was a very loud impact. We all fell out of our seats. Then the train filled up with smoke. I was coughing," Maroto said.

Maroto, of Burtonsville, Md., said there was confusion after the impact because no announcements were immediately made. She said some passengers wanted to climb out, but others were afraid of being electrocuted by a rail.

Tijuana Cox, 21, was in the train that was hit. She had her sprained arm in a sling Tuesday.

"Everybody just went forward and came back," with people's knees hitting the seats in front of them, said Cox, of Lanham, Md.

The only other fatal crash in the Metro subway system occurred Jan. 13, 1982, when three people died as a result of a derailment. That was a day of disaster in the capital: Shortly before the subway crash, an Air Florida plane slammed into the 14th Street Bridge immediately after takeoff from Washington National Airport. The plane crash, during a severe snowstorm, killed 78 people.

In January 2007, a subway train derailed in downtown Washington, sending 20 people to the hospital and prompting the rescue of 60 others from the tunnel. In November 2006, two Metro track workers were struck and killed by an out-of-service train. An investigation found that the train operator failed to follow safety procedures. Another Metro worker was struck and killed in May 2006.

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Associated Press writers Brett Zongker, Sarah Karush and Sagar Meghani contributed to this report.
 

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Train derails: Results of investigation may take a year
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It may be a year or more before the National Transportation Safety Board releases the results of its investigation on the Friday night derailment of a Canadian National Railway train.

The investigation, which began in earnest after the last of the flames from the wreck were put
out Saturday night, is still in its early stages.

“We’ve been busy and productive,” NTBS member Robert Sumwalt said today at an afternoon news conference. “But there’s still a long way to go ... We’re in the fact-gathering phase now.”

Sumwalt said early reports from the investigation showed there was high water along parts of the rail line where the train derailed, but the exact water levels were unclear.

He said that initial interviews with the train’s crew have been conducted and there are more interviews scheduled.

“We want to reach out to the people who might have witnessed something before, during or immediately after the derailment,” Sumwalt said.

People who witnessed the accident are asked to call the Winnebago County Sheriff’s Department at 815-319-6300 to make a report.

Updated at 4:13 p.m. today: Traffic flow expected to improve
Activity near around the site of Friday night’s train wreck was slowing down as Sunday afternoon moved into Sunday evening.

The Winnebago County Sheriff’s Mobile Command Unit left the area at 3:15 p.m. By 6 p.m., all of the out-of-town emergency responders will have been sent home.

Regular traffic flow is expected to resume about that time as well, leaving all but a section of Mulford Road open.

The slow down will be a welcome reprieve for the dozens of professional and volunteer men and women who spent at least part of their weekend blocking off roads, evacuating families, putting out flames and trying to keep everything under control.

Still, it’s unclear how many departments responded and how many boots were on the ground during the crisis.

“We had as many as 30 departments out here,” said Winnebago County Sheriff Deputy Chief Rocco Wagner. “I have to tell you, some were from towns I never heard of. There was a guy here from Cary, Ill. It was the first time I heard of Cary.”

The Winnebago County Sheriff’s Department has jurisdictional control over the police functions in the area and Cherry Valley Fire Department was in charge of fire operations for the duration of the accident.

“At the height of it, we had 24 intersections blocked off while we had another group of officers helping with evacuations and a group of eight walking the tracks,” Wagner said. “You’d be surprised at how close those kids along the tracks would get. We’d shoo them away and they’d come back through another yard to get a look.”

Updated at 4:04 p.m. today: Railway officials to meet with evacuees
Canadian National Railway officials say they will meet this week with families who were evacuated Friday because of the train derailment.

The meetings, which are alphabetically according to last name, will be at a community assistance center at Shepherd of the Valley Lutheran Church, 2715 S. Mulford Road. The center is meant to provide remedial assistance and reimbursement to those evacuated from the area. The center will be open from 7 a.m. to 9 p.m. Tuesday, Wednesday and Thursday, and no appointments are necessary.


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What caused the train derailment?

The official cause has not been determined. Investigators are trying to determine if the base for the south railroad tracks was washed away Friday by storms, which dumped 4.16 inches of rain on Rockford, a record amount for June 19 and the second heaviest daily rainfall for the month of June, said National Weather Service meteorologist Nathan Marsila. A record 4.67 inches fell on June 14, 1926.
 

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Train derails: ‘Heat was tremendous’ in rail car blast


ROCKFORD —

Coleen Mork, 67, of Rockford was heading south on Mulford Road on her way home from Bible study at Shiloh Free Church when she came upon the train. She was in the third car back.

“I was sitting there watching the whole thing happen,” Mork said. “The whole thing is unbelievable. It was just awful.

“I am so thankful to God that I got out of there.”

Mork said the train had been traveling across Mulford for some time unremarkably. Then she noticed black tankers, which were filled with ethanol, starting to bounce along the tracks.

“Each car that came by got worse and I thought ‘those things look like they’re going to derail,’ ” she said.

“They started bumping each other and they just kept coming. It got worse and worse,” she said.

Mork describes seeing sparks and hearing bang after bang as the cars jackknifed into the air and piled onto one another like falling dominoes.

“I wanted to back up. Some of the cars behind me were able to turn around and get out of there,” Mork said. “It was really extreme heat.”

People in the truck and car in front of Mork’s ran from their vehicles.

Mork injured her ankle as she was jumping out of her car and couldn’t get up. The man in one of the vehicles in front her helped her to safety.

“I was trying to run, and I couldn’t; my leg was just paining me,” Mork said. “Thank you for helping me!”

Other witnesses said the first sign of trouble was cars bouncing on the track.

Steve and Amy Walker were in a line of traffic about seven cars back from the railroad crossing heading south on Mulford when they saw the railroad cars bouncing up and down.

“Then they started piling up, and the two tank cars exploded,” Amy said. “There was this big fireball that was over the treetops.

“After that, we saw people jumping out of their cars and running back toward us, trying to get away.

“The heat was tremendous. We were sitting in our car with the windows rolled up and the air conditioner running and we could feel the heat through the windshield.”

The Walkers work at the Register Star.

Another Register Star employee, Jeff Tilley, lives close to the scene. He was in his yard picking up storm debris when he heard the rumble of the train.

“At first, I thought it was a tornado,” he said, “because they always say a tornado sounds like a train coming. Then I saw this nuclear fireball, mushrooming above the trees. It was probably 300 feet in the air.”

Tilley said trains pass on those tracks “two or three times a day.”

After the initial explosion, Tilley heard two other explosions.
 

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If day in day out, the subway is not making money and the govt is in perpectual deficit the replacement trains and tracks are delayed or would never get replaced.
In times of financial crissis , the govts in US and UK are going to cut back on R and D, education,transport and health care. In the long run, the citizens in the countries are going to suffer. But at the end of the day, it is the myopic electorates (1st class education) who had elected the myopic govt.
 

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I am sure US has its problems but the term dying super power is wrong. What you are seeing is the US remaining in its economic dominant position but with a Chinese economy expected to be larger than the US economy in the next 30 years.

The US has lots of resource but it is not spent correctly. Point in fact, UK has GdP of about 2 Trillion vs US's 13 Trillion. But the Brits have 2 useless aging carrier while the US has 11. US is still spending $10B a month for Iraq so that will buy one lots of roads, trains and pipes. It takes a while before they get their priorities right.
 

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I am sure US has its problems but the term dying super power is wrong. What you are seeing is the US remaining in its economic dominant position but with a Chinese economy expected to be larger than the US economy in the next 30 years.

The US has lots of resource but it is not spent correctly. Point in fact, UK has GdP of about 2 Trillion vs US's 13 Trillion. But the Brits have 2 useless aging carrier while the US has 11. US is still spending $10B a month for Iraq so that will buy one lots of roads, trains and pipes. It takes a while before they get their priorities right.

The US will become a beggar big time. And worst when it get desperate and aggressive become a thug. That's all they are.
 

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Report: TVA dikes on 'verge of failure' pre-spill
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FILE - In this Dec. 22, 2008 file photo, an aerial view shows homes that were AP – FILE - In this Dec. 22, 2008 file photo, an aerial view shows homes that were destroyed when a retention …
By DUNCAN MANSFIELD, Associated Press Writer Duncan Mansfield, Associated Press Writer – Thu Jun 25, 6:43 pm ET

KNOXVILLE, Tenn. – The earthen dikes supporting a huge coal ash landfill at a Tennessee power plant were "on the verge of failure" long before they collapsed and sent tons of toxic muck into a river and lakeside community, an engineering consultant said Thursday.

Engineer Bill Walton of AECOM USA Inc. said his firm's $3 million study for the Tennessee Valley Authority found several factors combined to lead to the Dec. 22 dike breach at TVA's Kingston Fossil Plant. Among them was a thin layer of fly ash "slime" deep in the pile that moved and put pressure on the dikes.

Walton said the disaster could have happened at any moment — maybe a year before, maybe the next day.

The consultant said it was not his job to assess blame for the spill that has brought national attention to the risks and limited regulation of storing coal ash, which can contain toxic metals such as arsenic, mercury and selenium.

The report's conclusions, however, suggested better engineering and inspections would have helped.

Rep. Eddie Bernice Johnson, D-Texas, whose House Subcommittee on Water Resources and Environment has been holding hearings on the disaster, called the report "enlightening and disturbing." She said it would help explain why the spill happened and help prevent them.

Meanwhile, Earthjustice attorney Lisa Evans criticized the report's authors for not examining "what role agency negligence played in the disaster."

TVA Chief Operating Officer Bill McCollum said the nation's largest public utility is focused on the $1 billion ash cleanup and restoration of the Roane County community, and intends to use the report to improve operations at Kingston and TVA's 10 other coal-fired power plants.

"I don't have any way to look back at this point, to revisit all the decisions that were made in the past, from 1950 to today," McCollum said.

McCollum's predecessors notably decided after a 2006 leak at Kingston to install trench drains rather than do a $25 million conversion to dry storage or install a $5 million landfill liner. TVA is now planning to convert Kingston to dry-ash storage.

Walton's 10-volume, 6,000-page report said four conditions combined to produce the stresses and movement in the pile that led to the release of more than 5 million cubic yards of ash into the Emory River and several homes, covering 300 acres.

Those factors included the high water content of the ash, the increasing height of the ash pile and the construction of sloping dikes over wet ash surrounding the landfill.

The fourth factor, discovered by Walton's team after more than two months of forensic analysis, was a half-inch to 6-inch "slime" layer of loose fly ash and silt running 40 to 85 feet below the portion of the pile that collapsed.

Walton said the slime, which tended to "creep" and add hydraulic pressures to the dikes, was something like yogurt — seemingly stiff until it is stirred and becomes fluid.

"If you don't have the slime layer, you don't have the failure at this time," he said, though he would refused to say it was the sole trigger of the spill. He said he didn't know of similar "slime" existed at other ash landfills around the country.

Stephen Smith, director of the Southern Alliance for Clean Energy, praised the report for dismissing public speculation that the disaster may have happened because of natural causes, including heavy rainfall, minor earthquakes and freezing temperatures. However, Smith noted engineering failures and wondered how many times TVA managers missed opportunities to find the slime layer with sampling.

A Tennessee Department of Environment and Conservation panel that includes representatives from the Army Corps of Engineers and the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency will review the report.

Meanwhile, TVA's Inspector General's Office expects to release its own report on the cause next month.

(This version CORRECTS that TVA did not claim spill was result of natural causes.)
 
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