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US probing whether DeepSeek got Nvidia AI chips through Singapore, other countries

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https://www.straitstimes.com/busine...-got-nvidia-ai-chips-through-singapore-others

The US Commerce Department is looking into whether DeepSeek – the Chinese company whose AI model’s performance rocked the tech world – has been using US chips that are not allowed to be shipped to China, a person familiar with the matter said.

China’s DeepSeek last week launched a free assistant it says uses less data at a fraction of the cost of US models.

Within days, it became the most downloaded app in Apple’s App Store and stirred concerns about the United States’ lead in artificial intelligence, sparking a rout that wiped around US$1 trillion (S$1.35 trillion) off US technology stocks.


Current restrictions on Nvidia AI processors are meant to stop its most sophisticated chips from reaching China.

Organised AI chip smuggling to China has been tracked out of countries including Malaysia, Singapore and the United Arab Emirates, the source said.

The Commerce Department and DeepSeek did not immediately return requests for comment.

A Nvidia spokesman said its revenue from Singapore – which accounts for about 20 per cent of its total sales – does not suggest a diversion to China, according to a report in Investing.com on Nov 29.


Nvidia’s public filings report on the “bill to” locations of their customers, not the “ship to” locations. This implies that the company’s revenue figures are based on where their customers are billed, not where the products are ultimately shipped to, the spokesman said.

The spokesperson added that many of Nvidia’s customers have business entities in Singapore, which they use for products intended for the US and the West. This practice is common among companies operating in multiple countries and does not necessarily indicate that the products are being shipped to Singapore.

Nvidia also said it insists its business partners adhere to all relevant laws and will take appropriate action if it receives any information suggesting otherwise.

DeepSeek has said it used Nvidia’s H800 chips, which it could have legally purchased in 2023. Reuters could not determine whether DeepSeek has used other controlled chips that are not allowed to be shipped to China.

DeepSeek also apparently has Nvidia’s less powerful H20s, which can still lawfully be shipped to China. The US considered controlling them under the Biden administration and newly appointed Trump officials are discussing that as well.

The chief executive of AI company Anthropic, Mr Dario Amodei, said earlier this week, “it appears that a substantial fraction of DeepSeek‘s AI chip fleet consists of chips that haven’t been banned (but should be), chips that were shipped before they were banned; and some that seem very likely to have been smuggled”.

Two US lawmakers, who called on the Trump administration to curb exports of Nvidia’s H20 chips and those of similar sophistication, also urged tightening controls on shipments through third countries that pose a high risk of diversion, naming Singapore as an example.

In a letter to National Security Adviser Mike Waltz on Jan 29, Republican John Moolenaar and Democrat Raja Krishnamoorthi, who lead the House of Representatives Select Committee on China, said: “Countries like Singapore should be subject to strict licensing requirements absent a willingness to crack down on PRC transshipment through their territory.” REUTERS
 
Ah Wong will say this one has nothing to do with Sinkie Govt…. NVDA sold the chips to private companies in SG :laugh:
 
they admitted they bought and stashed over 69k of nvidia h800 chips via sg before biden admin clamped down on all nvidia chips. at first they could not buy h1000 chips. nvidia worked on a lower tier h800 chipset to sexport, and that was approved by biden admin until they realized ccp was hoarding those chips for both military and commercial espionage, cheating and copying purposes.
 
This is probably the worst case of betting on the wrong horse by the PAP regime, ranks up there with turning this shithole island into a vaccine manufacturing hub. :biggrin:

 
Ah Wong will say this one has nothing to do with Sinkie Govt…. NVDA sold the chips to private companies in SG :laugh:

It doesn't matter. Shthole island gets slapped with sanctions or restrictions. The people will feel the pain. Feel free to mitigate this with CDC vouchers, some special SG60 bribery or propaganda spin jobs.
 
The failure of the few that stooped & bowed to greed is not a crime that should be heaped upon the many, whom are innocents.

The probe by US is welcomed, & our authorities will assist in such a probe, to prevent intellectual thefts, as done in the piratical past where copies of Microsoft software, videos, games can be bought at a fraction of its costs, sold NOTORIOUSLY & OPENLY at Sim Lim Square & even night markets, but EVENTUALLY, such pirates no longer exists there.

Sim Lim Square is now just a low earning rental premise filled instead with struggling tech repair shops, so much that the owners of the property had to sell that building to others for better rentals & far sighted mgmt now....


However, being an open country that welcomes trade, there can be no stopping tourists buying goods in Singapore, or other nations such as us.


Take for example the the Apple Vision Pro, a cutting edged VR headset which is made possible by the Apple R1 chip.

Anyone here in Singapore or even the World can buy that headset, more so those whom are INTENT to BACKENGINEER that chip to understand its workings, & thru economies of labour scale, will be able to COPY/DISTILL that chip's functions & create another similar headset at a lower price as research costs, etc need not be factored in. Cheap, cheap, cheap is what only a consumer understands.....

Apple at least understood consumer behavior, & thus sold it at a high price, to cover its costs, & moved on. It is only a biz strategy. It takes only just one mere advance chip to be BACKENGINEERED, to steal its secrets....

However, nothing is free or cheap in this World we live in. One either pays in cash & move on, or be insidiously indebted by 'in kind', as that modified new chip may come with 'extras' - with consequences to one's life & society as well....as the courageous Hong Kong protestors in 2019 whom tore down a street lamp post & found a surveillance camera inside with a chip that could send data back to China CCP thru wi fi for monitoring....
 
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Chinese Business Owner Admits Smuggling Nvidia High-End Chips; Deepseek Core Member Worked at Nvidia​


 
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