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"Unqualified" FT slams Pro-SG Policies

Cthulhu

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Pro-S'porean policy in jobs, housing impractical

THE notion of a pro-Singaporean policy is noble but not practical. What many policymakers and many well-meaning citizens fail to recognise is that many Singaporeans are married to non-Singaporeans.

Non-Singaporeans may, for one reason or another, not be in a position to take up Singapore citizenship. This may be because they have elderly parents in their native country or they do not meet general requirements to take up citizenship.

As someone in this category, I find that this pro-Singaporean policy penalises this segment of the population. Over the years, we have contributed thousands of dollars to the Singapore economy, we pay taxes and levies and we have decided to setup of our family unit in Singapore. We have bought an HBD flat and look forward to being proud owners of a home in Singapore.

I am not in a position to take up citizenship, as it is my responsibility to take care of my parents in Malaysia. They have chosen their home and I cannot, in good conscience, force them to relocate here.

Imagine this. Our flat will be ready only in 2012. Of our two incomes, I earn more than my wife. My income pays for almost everything, including rent (which has increased astronomically). The cost of living has gone up, and even cooking at home is no cheaper then eating outside. Paying utility bills, insurance premiums, car loan, education loans and so on leaves us with just enough to make ends meet. In recent months, we have had to dip into our savings to pay for many things.

We used to consider ourselves slightly better off than middle class, but now we are not even in that category. If I lose my job, because I am not a Singaporean, where would that leave us?

Consider this as well. I pay goods and services tax (GST), income tax, Central Provident Fund (CPF) and every other payment as Singaporeans do, but I get few if any benefits. I do not get GST refunds; nor am I a beneficiary of any other monetary initiative to relieve the sufferings of Singaporeans, despite the fact that I am forming a family unit with a Singaporean in Singapore.

Adrian Gopal

Reading these people's letters can be a headache inducing test of one's reading comprehension and logical thinking. My conclusion is that this FT is talking cock.

He says he cannot take up citizenship because his parents want to stay in matland and he must take care of them. However, he also mentioned "we" buying a flat in SG!

If he really wants to take care of his parents, he should be staying with them in Matland and not in an SG flat. If he only wants to visit his parents during the weekends, matlanders and singkies can easily cross the causeway in either directions so citizenship is irrelevant to his argument.

Who is "we" anyway? Does it factually refer to him and his spouse or is "we" a hypothetical? If "we" is just airy fairy rhetoric of how noble FTs are, then at least choose an example more grounded in reality.

BTW, "we" also consider themselves slightly better than middle class. In this case, complain what complain? You want to try living as a true peasant?



 

annexa

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If I lose my job, because I am not a Singaporean, where would that leave us?
Malaysia loh! You chose Malaysian citizenship right?! Not like you take Singapore citizanship you cannot go back Malaysia visit? And you working in Singapore take malaysia citizenship also no time to spend with parents right?

Talk cock.
 

Lestat

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He should just "balik kampung".

Talk so much, in the end, earn here, spend at his homeland. :oIo:
 

congo9

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You can take up Singapore citizenship and at the same time take care of your parents in Malaysia ....... what the problem ?

U mean, if u are a singapore citizen , you cant take care of your parents ? What kind of logic is that ?

Or

you want to earn enough so that you can retire confortable in future when your time is up ?

Which is Which ? U tell me .......
 

sleaguepunter

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not citizen can have many benefits:

1) not happy can take out CPF at one go and return when u came from.

2) earn SGD here and buy Ringgit property.

3) sell HDB and live as a local gentry up north.

4) No National Services and no annual ICT/IPPT/Standby/Recall Manning

5) Sons can revoke citizenship and embrace Msia citizenship to escape NS.

6) children can have "world class" education system,

7) have "world class" medical care,

8) enjoy "world class" public transportation system.

The above are only few of the advantages, there are many more. Complain so much, nabei.... i also want to be a FTrash. Who want to exchange citizenship with me.:biggrin:
 

funglung

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You can take up Singapore citizenship and at the same time take care of your parents in Malaysia ....... what the problem ?

U mean, if u are a singapore citizen , you cant take care of your parents ? What kind of logic is that ?

Or

you want to earn enough so that you can retire confortable in future when your time is up ?

Which is Which ? U tell me .......

You voted for that bastard LKY,

or you stood aside and refuse to stand with those prepared to run against LKY

or refuse to help them with you time and money to run against LKY

YOU DESERVE WHAT YOU VOTED FOR

YOU DESERVE THE SILENCE WHEN YOU SHOULD HAVE SHOUTED AGAINST LKY

YOU NOW GETTING WHAT YOU DESERVED

BEING SCREWED TO DEATH BY LKY
 

etherc

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These ppl are classified as Singaporeans in the statistics. Yet this is the type of mentality they possess. Surely Mr Gopal can move his parents to JB which is nearby. Surely he can get a place near to Woodlands or Jurong where he can drive to visit his parents. End of the day they just don't want to take up citizenship so they have a ticket outta this place. SG is simply not conducive for retirement. Sure PRs pay like the citizens, but in event of military conflict they can just return to their homeland. Besides that given the strong exchange rates compared to RMB, MR & Indian rupee these PRs can afford several houses and a reasonable standard of living back in their hometowns when they retire. Expats have their large pay packages to take care of their finances. Where can our citizens retire to?What can our retirees do here, except to continue working menial jobs for a pittance? Do our ministars think we have an entire population of professor emerituses who can act as consultants even after their retirement? How much can the odd free lance assignment pay our retirees?

While I have the greatest respect for true talents who contribute to the progress of SG, I have doubts on whether the majority are talents or simply a cheaper alternative for the companies that have SG eating out of their hands. In other words unfair competition. Mr Gopal does not have to serve 2yr full time NS for a pittance nor does he have to complete a decade long reservist cycle. True male Singaporeans have to do that.

If the imports are people of caliber like Alan Colman or Li Jiawei, Singaporeans have nothing to whine about.
 

Lestat

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These ppl are classified as Singaporeans in the statistics. Yet this is the type of mentality they possess. Surely Mr Gopal can move his parents to JB which is nearby. Surely he can get a place near to Woodlands or Jurong where he can drive to visit his parents. End of the day they just don't want to take up citizenship so they have a ticket outta this place. SG is simply not conducive for retirement. Sure PRs pay like the citizens, but in event of military conflict they can just return to their homeland. Besides that given the strong exchange rates compared to RMB, MR & Indian rupee these PRs can afford several houses and a reasonable standard of living back in their hometowns when they retire. Expats have their large pay packages to take care of their finances. Where can our citizens retire to?What can our retirees do here, except to continue working menial jobs for a pittance? Do our ministars think we have an entire population of professor emerituses who can act as consultants even after their retirement? How much can the odd free lance assignment pay our retirees?

To be fair, this part I totally agree with you. :smile:

While I have the greatest respect for true talents who contribute to the progress of SG, I have doubts on whether the majority are talents or simply a cheaper alternative for the companies that have SG eating out of their hands. In other words unfair competition. Mr Gopal does not have to serve 2yr full time NS for a pittance nor does he have to complete a decade long reservist cycle. True male Singaporeans have to do that.

This part, well I have my reservations, but still can agree with you. :smile:

If the imports are people of caliber like Alan Colman or Li Jiawei, Singaporeans have nothing to whine about.

This part is CRAP. :mad:
 

annexa

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As someone in this category, I find that this pro-Singaporean policy penalises this segment of the population.
So is he asking his own Gov to open up ALL employment sectors to Singaporeans qualified enough to take those jobs up? Fuck him. His gov don't allow non-Malay to go top level jobs, and here he want us to open up to foreigner!

He go back Malaysia and argue for Singaporeans to compete on equal footing as Malaysians for all jobs. Especially in MNCs. I believe we will soon put them out of job.

Double standards fucker.
 

2lanu

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He says he cannot take up citizenship because his parents want to stay in matland and he must take care of them. However, he also mentioned "we" buying a flat in SG!

In short, they want the best of both sides. Period.

I knew of a M'sian male who studied here since secondary and then Pre-U. Later decided to stay PR and not do NS. He got married a SG lady and can apply flat at "subsidize" rate. One look is that the govt is closing one eye where the peasant can see it clearly that it was unfair. :mad::oIo:
 

2lanu

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So is he asking his own Gov to open up ALL employment sectors to Singaporeans qualified enough to take those jobs up? Fuck him. His gov don't allow non-Malay to go top level jobs, and here he want us to open up to foreigner!

He go back Malaysia and argue for Singaporeans to compete on equal footing as Malaysians for all jobs. Especially in MNCs. I believe we will soon put them out of job.

Double standards fucker.

Precisely. Like that KhawBW being rejected my Malaysia is now appoint by the white scum to screw the people with his move to JB policy! :oIo:
 

yellow_people

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If I were Adrian Gopal I would do exactly the same thing. So too would most Singaporeans. Take the PR not the SG citizenship. I know a number of Malaysians who are doing just that.

Work in SG and earn S$ and retire in M’sia where that dollar is worth twice more and you can buy a landed property in JB for less than what you would pay for a pigeon hole in SG.

Look, even the Health Minister, who happens to be a M’sian FT, is suggesting we ship the old and useless SGs to JB; why in a world would any talent worth his salt give up his citizenship for the worthless pink NRIC?

A lot of this resentment is leveled at Gopal not because he had the balls to ask these questions for his own benefit - something which Sinkees lack in the first place, balls that is; but because he has options – he can leave SG whenever he wants. An option most useless Sinkees do not have.
 

pia

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If I were Adrian Gopal I would do exactly the same thing. So too would most Singaporeans. Take the PR not the SG citizenship. I know a number of Malaysians who are doing just that.


What I see is presently he has nothing to complain about. Other than voting rights, what privileges doesn't he have?

It is more of a pre-emptive move by him not to lose what he already enjoys if S'pore goes Pro-S'pore. But does he not ponder first does he deserve the privileges he's enjoying here, something no S'porean will enjoy in M'sia?
 

yellow_people

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What I see is presently he has nothing to complain about. Other than voting rights, what privileges doesn't he have?

It is more of a pre-emptive move by him not to lose what he already enjoys if S'pore goes Pro-S'pore. But does he not ponder first does he deserve the privileges he's enjoying here, something no S'porean will enjoy in M'sia?

So apart from voting rights he does not have any more privileges over the citizen. So a smart FT will take the PR then as he knows voting in SG is a meaningless exercise. i.e. outcome will be a resounding PAP victory.

Anyway why does he need to ponder if he is deserving? He applied for PR and it was approved.

One would still need to go though the process of qualifying an applying for PR. it is granted on the basis of qualification and merit as long as the Chinese racial quota to maintain the Chinese population has been met.
 

yellow_people

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But does he not ponder first does he deserve the privileges he's enjoying here, something no S'porean will enjoy in M'sia?

Look, I know this is hard for Sinkees to understand but giving the high attrition rate of Sinkees out of SG, I believe this is rather pertinent.

Everytime I have encountered Sinkees abroad and chatted with them; one thing is crystal clear. They make a successful living in their 2nd home abroad because they are talented and qualified. In short they do not feel like they owe citizens there a living. They pay taxes like everyone else.

I'm sure they thank god in their prayers just like Adrian Gopal might do.

Bottom like is if citizens of a country do not make the cut and find themselves at the mercy of their own govt, its just tough luck. No sense in blaming FTs for their woes.
 

pia

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Everytime I have encountered Sinkees abroad and chatted with them; one thing is crystal clear. They make a successful living in their 2nd home abroad because they are talented and qualified. In short they do not feel like they owe citizens there a living. They pay taxes like everyone else.

I'm sure they thank god in their prayers just like Adrian Gopal might do.

Hi yellow, I'm one of these so-called Sinkees overseas. U're rite, I pay my taxes and count my blessings for every little privilege my host country accords to me. I owe the locals my ricebowl, and will not demand more than what have already been given to me for what I'm able to contribute to their economy. If one day, they should say leave, I will, because to me, they are the owner of their land, not me. I'm but a guest.

I'm just asking Mr. Gopal to do the same, and realise that much has already been given. If one day it has to be taken away, he should count the blessings that this country had already given him to date.
 

2lanu

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Bottom like is if citizens of a country do not make the cut and find themselves at the mercy of their own govt, its just tough luck. No sense in blaming FTs for their woes.

Just one question, what is your comment if your govt is doing what the white scum govt here is doing?

What is the logic to protect and give PR almost the same privileges the people is enjoying?
 
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