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Uncontrolled immigration killed a nation

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http://javascript<b></b>:AdClicked(clickLineVarName8366284505);<!-- End Forumprop advertisement --> <!-- Adspace: 3in1kopitiam Sched: 0 Server: WEB140 --><TABLE class=msgtable cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width="96%"><TBODY><TR><TD class=msg vAlign=top><TABLE border=0 cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width="100%"><TBODY><TR class=msghead><TD class=msgbfr1 width="1%"></TD><TD><TABLE border=0 cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0><TBODY><TR class=msghead vAlign=top><TD class=msgF width="1%" noWrap align=right>From: </TD><TD class=msgFname width="68%" noWrap>kojakbt_89 <NOBR></NOBR></TD><TD class=msgDate width="30%" noWrap align=right>8:08 pm </TD></TR><TR class=msghead><TD class=msgT height=20 width="1%" noWrap align=right>To: </TD><TD class=msgTname width="68%" noWrap>ALL <NOBR></NOBR></TD><TD class=msgNum noWrap align=right></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR><TR><TD class=msgleft rowSpan=4 width="1%"></TD><TD class=wintiny noWrap align=right>30462.1 </TD></TR><TR><TD height=8></TD></TR><TR><TD class=msgtxt>How uncontrolled immigration can destroy a nation: A comparative case study of the Korean kingdoms of Balhae (²³º£) and Silla (ÐÂÁ_)

March 23, 2010 by admin
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OPINION
Running out of excuses to defend its disastrous liberal immigration and pro-foreigner policies, PAP leaders have been resorting to the inappropriate use of historical examples to showcase their own ignorance.
PAP MP Dr Ong Seh Hong quoted the example of Tang China during a parliamentary speech on 13 March 2010 to lend support to the PAP¡¯s open-door policy to foreigners.
He claimed that Tang China¡¯s propserity was due largely to an open-door policy and tolerance. However, he forgot to point out the fact that though there was a sizable number of foreigners living in China, they remained a minority in China and most of them were traders and not immigrant who planted their roots there.
As history had shown, the Han Chinese were able to assimilate other ethnic groups successfully by their sheer numbers and cultural superiority.
It took only less than 100 years for the 20 million or so ethnic Manchus living in northeast China to become fully assimilated into Han Chinese that they are hardly any of them left now who can speak or write the Manchu language.
Singapore has let in too many foreigners within too short a period of time such that there is no time at all for them to be integrated properly into local society.
Besides, Singaporeans have less a racial or cultural identity than the Chinese, Japanese and Koreans and it would not be easy to assimilate them especially when there are so many of them here causing them to congregate within their own communities.
Uncontrolled immigration can easily destroy a nation as exemplified by the Korean empire of Balhae (²³º£).
Balhae (698 AD ¨C 926 AD) was founded in 698 AD from the remnants of the Korean state of Gorguryeo (¸ß¾äû) after it was conquered by a joint invasion from Tang China and Silla (ÐÂÁ_), another Korean state which occupied the Korean peninsula.
Balhae became a major empire in Northeast Asia and occupied southern parts of Manchuria, Russia¡¯s Primorsky Krai, and the northern part of the Korean peninsula.
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This area was a volatile region with several ethnic tribes of which the Koreans were one of them. Due to historical animosities between Balhae and Silla, the Balhae kings banned the inflow of Korean immigrants from Silla and relied on immigrants from other ethnic groups instead.
(Balhae blamed Silla for ¡°conspiring¡± with Tang China to destroy its predecessor state Gorguryeo)
As Balhae was a newly founded country, it adopted an open-door policy to immigrants from neighboring kingdoms and tribes including the Khitan (Æõµ¤) and Malgal (ì…íH).
Large numbers of Khitans and Malgals were allowed into Balhae and the Koreans became an ethnic minority in their own country in less than a hundred years.
Unlike the Koreans, the Khitans and Malgals were Tungesic nomads and it was impossible to integrate them fully into Korean society though the Balhae kings had implemented policies to assimilate them such as allowing inter-racial marriages between the two groups.
While the Koreans retained control of the central government and aristocracy, the administration and military became dominated by the Khitans and Malgals which soon led to social conflicts and civil wars between them.
During the last years of the Balhae kingdom, it was wrecked by endless internal turmoils, ethnic strifes and civil wars between the various races in the empire and it was eventually conquered by the Khitan kingdom of Liao in 926 AD.
Like Singapore, Balhae was a country built out of nowhere. Though its southern portion was a remnant of Gorguryeo, its northern territory were entirely virgin lands not ruled by any state before.
The Balhae kings realized that their fledging nation would not stand a chance against its powerful neighbor China or its more populous Korean cousin Silla if it did not open its door to immigrants to increase its population.
Unfortunately, they failed to appreciate the fact that while immigrants may spur economic growth and increase a country¡¯s military strength within a short period of time, social unrest and strife will ensue if the newcomers are not wholly integrated into local society.
Though Balhae was able to achieve rapid growth and prosperity a few decades after its founding due to the influx of immigrants, it sowed the seeds for its eventual demise.
Balhae was the largest and perhaps one of the richest states in the history of Korea, but also its shortest-lived, existing for barely more than 200 years when compared to other more ethnically and culturally homogenous states like Gorguryeo (700 + years), Baekje (700 +), Silla (900 +), Goryeo (300 +) and Joseon (600 +).
Silla (53 BC ¨C 935 AD) was a nation of immigrants like Balhae and Singapore too, built by gradual conquest and assimilation of neighboring statelets and tribes but at a much controlled pace than Balhae which explained its political longevity of nearly a thousand years.
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[Three Kingdom era of Korea 53 AD - 668 AD, Source: Wikipedia]


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The name of Silla in Hanja ¨C ÐÂÁ_, means to ¡°cast a net far and wide to accept talents from all over the world¡±. From the beginning of its existence, Silla was one of the most open nations in East Asia at that time.
Being the weakest and smallest state on the Korean peninsula compared to Gorguryeo in the north and Baekje (°Ùú) to the west, the Silla kings had long realized the importance of immigration in order to survive.
Though Silla was able to grow and prosper by keeping its door open to immigrants, it practised a highly selective immigration policy unlike that of Balhae.
Silla welcomed only certain ethnic races which were closer to them in terms of language, culture and bloodline and not those who were further apart.
For example, when the Gaya confederacy (¼Ó‚œ) was conquered in 562 AD, its people who were closely linked to the Silla Koreans were completely accepted as Silla citizens and they eventually become assimilated into Silla society, one of whom became the great Korean general Kim Yu-Shin who conquered the other two kingdoms and united Korea.
However, the Japanese (Wa) and those with mixed Silla/Japanese heritage were evicted from their settlements along the southeastern coast of Korea and sent back to Japan as they were deemed ¡°culturally distant¡± and ¡°unsuitable¡± for permanent residence in Silla.
Furthermore, while Silla maintained an open-door policy to Korean immigrants from Baekje and Gorguryeo, Chinese, Khitans, Malgals and other races were deliberately kept out. They were allowed to trade with Silla, but could never become its citizens.
Such a targeted immigration policy enabled Silla to increase its population via immigration and ensuring the ¡°ethnic compatibility¡± of its people at the same time.
Though there were many ethnic minorities in Silla, they were culturally and linguistically linked to the original Silla Koreans thereby maintaining a largely homogenous society.
There were few ethnic strifes or conflicts during Silla¡¯s long history unlike Balhae whose fault-lines were exposed within a hundred years of its founding leading to political instability and its eventual downfall.
Balhae was the last Korean state to hold any territory on Manchuria. There are still a sizable number of ethnic Koreans living in northeast China and Russia¡¯s Maritime province today, but few will remember the existence of Balhae.
Will Singapore end up like Balhae one day? We are now fifty years old. When Balhae was fifty years old, it was a major economic powerhouse in the region (northeast Asia) like Singapore (southeast Asia) and it was also the same period of time when it became swarmed by immigrants.
If a country the size of Balhae which was about the size of France could implode and destroy itself in only 200 years, why not Singapore?
Singapore should learn from the targeted immigration policy adopted by Silla and focused on getting immigrants who can integrate more easily into our society such as those from the southern provinces of China, Hong Kong and Taiwan of which a basic command of the English language is a must instead of accepting everybody indiscriminately like Balhae without studying if they are culturally, ethnically and linguistically compatible with native Singaporeans in the first place.
History has given us one important lesson of how uncontrolled immigration can destroy a nation. We must take heed before it is too late.
 
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The ministers & the superscale civil servants only think of policies, of how to increase their ridiculous salaries. Did they really think of the interests of the poor, needy and common Singaporean? There are many failed policies but they would not dare to rock the boat because they are afraid to lose their rice-bowls. They only follow directives right from the top and would not dare to speak out. Even if they do it in parliament, it’s only’wayang’ because after all the noises & hoohah, they still have to follow the party whip. So what is the use of having 82 PAP MPs & spending so much of taxpayers monies on these incompetent representatives. Just vote wisely come election time!


<LI id=comment-97683 class=alt>Ms B on Tue, 23rd Mar 2010 10:44 am
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“Foreign talent” is a marketing term coined up to justify the import of foreigners, there are many who actually buy that it is crucial to survival – there are plenty of capable Singaporeans – just that those who can, leave. This is the easiest thing to do because many Singaporeans are migrating. Of course they know why Singaporeans leave, importing foreigners means they do not need to give people more freedom which would compromise its survival. There are also frequent reports in the papers by local “correspondents” about how horrible it is to live abroad – we are living The Truman Show.


<LI id=comment-97687 class=alt>Congrats again TR for a Job Well Done!!!... on Tue, 23rd Mar 2010 10:48 am
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Let’s keep “ramping” up our such forums. Becasue from the announced HDB upgradings and other “candy-talks and hairy pep talks”… GE has to be pretty near… Reason… hairy will be worried that this new media will be a real threat if given a long time before the next GE if it is delayed. And so an earlier GE with “candies” to sweeten what they still think are younger and older Ah Beng & Ah Lian minds… they will have a better chance. Indeed… as the traditional and uninformed uneducated men and women of yore who vote for hairy out of fear of their rice bowls issue WILL still vote FOR hairy lee and cronies…. But mostly Out of Fear and Ignorance of The Prent Times and Scenario!!!


<LI id=comment-97699 class=alt>iona on Tue, 23rd Mar 2010 11:03 am
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Singapore as a small nation is different from US that can accept immigrants without losing stability and control.
Even US has quota system.
See this table:
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Our govt stand is clear, to continuously replenish the blood supply. We are merely suppliers of ‘blood’.
But different blood types do no mix well…some carry poisons and diseases…the body is now suffering from severe imbalances…

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Excellent piece of article, TR!
“While the Koreans retained control of the central government and aristocracy, the administration and military became dominated by the Khitans and Malgals which soon led to social conflicts and civil wars between them.”
Imagine PAP Govt let in another 500,000 non-English speaking Burmese into Singapore. And since most other nations don’t recognize Myanmar passports, with few options, let’s say all 500,000 Burmese serve our NS to become Singapore citizens. All this while, they continue to talk in Burmese and mix among themselves. Even in the army, since they can’t speak English, commands are issued in Burmese. Can you imagine what 500,000 armed Burmese can do in Singapore?



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if u go to india.....3/4 of the time, they claim they are speaking english yet u dun understand a word...i rem i went with a brit to india for biz...half the time the brit is asking mi what are they talking abt lor....
i ask the brit how do they find the indians in england...he replied they are the worst pests england had and the worse is the tamils...they are like cockroaches...turning Birimingham city which has the most south asians shit into slums....i ask him why dun they deport them....he says england has human rights and since india is a colony of england...they tend to be more relax on them...but now they are shutting their doors on them...there are too many of these roaches...he even commented the local born roaches are the same roaches in south asia...i told his birds of the same feather flocks together...wat do u expect right....he says the south asians are using drugs to fuel terroism in europe...
i told him i hated the south asians too...he says he will be surprised if i dun hates them....because even they hates themselves hahahaha....so thats no racism...north hates south and east hates west...hindus hates muslim and chirstians hates both hindus and muslims...i was like wtf....


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The government would probably reply, without foreigners, Little India, Golden Mile, Lucky Plaza, Peninsula Plaza etc. would have gone bust long ago.
 
Yup uncontrolled immigration turned what was a tranquil, peaceful Malay fishing village into a money faced hell hole full of Chinamen.

The Brits should have taken all the Chinese with them when they left.
 
:mad: damn right. should leave spore island alone so that the whole island can look like pulau ubin.
 
The government would probably reply, without foreigners, Little India, Golden Mile, Lucky Plaza, Peninsula Plaza etc. would have gone bust long ago.

Don't forget Geylang and Joo Chiat hor. I can still remember with fondness of my wild days at Joo Chiat. :D
 
Don't forget Geylang and Joo Chiat hor. I can still remember with fondness of my wild days at Joo Chiat. :D

Joo Chiat to Geylang Lorong 40 - Viet territory
Lorong 38 to 12 - PRC territory
Lorong 10 to Golden Mile - Thai territory

Romance of 3 kingdoms. :D
 
Rome from the 3rd century onwards is a better comparison

1. Uncontrolled numbers of barbarian immigrants, who longed for a Roman lifestyle. The Romans depended on them to defend their adopted homeland but they ultimately turned against the Romans instead.

Singapore might not use FTs for defence, but depending on them for the economy is just as foolish.

2. Christianization
Christianity made the Romans weak, giving too much power and wealth to the clergy. The Christians also had their own disputes among different sects (Arianism, Pelagianism and a whole fucking lot)

Just look at the fucking megachurches in Singapore now. This is not unique to Singapore btw, the PRCs are converting in their own homeland. Trading in one set of superstitions for another, I'd rather they were true communists.

3."Meritocracy"
This isn't unique to China btw, in the Eastern Roman Empire, meritocracy through exams to get assigned to government posts was already in place. This ultimately just mired them in bureaucracy, the very cause of the current popular meaning of the word 'Byzantine'.

Likewise with PSC scholarships in Singapore.

4. Bread and circuses
Keep the population entertained and you don't need to fear them; triumphs, gladiators, horse races etc.

Now we have NDP, F1, casinos, football, YOG inane diversions to keep citizens 'happy', however, modern people are more aware of the senselessness of all these and are becoming unhappy, especially without the 'bread' component of bread and circuses.

The focus on both spectator sports and scholarships to get into good jobs/get into government (with all its perks) also IMO leads to the following point:

5. Lack of artistic and scientific (also to some extent athletic) accomplishment
The Romans had little artistic creativity of their own both in literature and actual arts and crafts by this time period, the Greeks who were under their domination, suffered as well. Constantine stole the great works of the ancient Greek sculptors and artists to decorate his city. Investigations into natural philosophy were neglected due to a combination of factors due to a number of reasons, including some partly caused by the previous points like: Investigations into trifling points of both Christian and Pagan 'theology', government jobs draining those who normally would become scholars and making their minds more twisted and bureaucratic, hardly conducive to scientific thought. Athletes in Rome were also mainly slaves or foreigners, e.g. gladiators, chariot drivers. Compare this with the Greeks a few hundred years earlier with all the young men practising sports (running, discus throwing, wrestling, pankration) and their various games jheld every few years and even sporting games held during funerals. The modern Olympics capture some of the same spirit of personal achievement and arete, but commercialism is still rampant like the whole sporting industry in general.

In Singapore, we don't even have any significant local literature; there are some scientific discoveries, but many of these are done by FTs, although this isn't too surprising if you just read academic journals (most of the researchers even in the US are Chinese/Indian), locals are caught in that rat race or in the bureaucracy, what has ASTAR done? Singapore sports are also laughable, table tennis, badminton? Girls'/sissies' games! And they hire FTs to play these! Why don't they encourage sports that actually mean something, there was a Singaporean weightlifter who had an Olympic silver too, weightlifting is also clearly something Asians are not genetically biased against (look at all the Chinese, Thai, etc lifters).
 
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