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Two Canadians' views about Singapore

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The Straits Times FORUM:
July 31, 2009
A CANADIAN WRITES
Be grateful, S'pore




I AM writing to share many things Singaporeans take for granted.

Thanks to years of budget surpluses, when the global financial collapse hit, Singapore was able to use more money as a percentage of gross domestic product than any other country, rich or poor. Now, with its economy rebounding at a 20 per cent rate this last quarter, Singapore has recovered from the collapse faster than any other country. This is something only Singapore, with its deep pockets and years of good economic management, could pull off.

My home city, Toronto in Canada, has its rubbish collected only once a week, yet it is considered one of North America's cleaner cities. It is in the 36th day of a rubbish collectors' strike, with rubbish and foul odours on its streets and an increasingly serious problem with rats and insects. Some people even store rubbish in their refrigerators.

In Singapore, our rubbish is collected every day, no questions asked. For a $40 conservancy fee, we get a clean-up that would cost hundreds of dollars a month in the United States or Canada.

Most buildings in the US and Canada have no sheltered walkways to protect residents from rain or snow, unlike most HDB blocks. This is so even though there are Americans and Canadians who freeze to death outside in the cold every year.

Most North American cities I have lived in are cutting bus and train services just to balance their budgets. Singapore plans to add a new MRT line this year and more lines and stations over the next three years.

If a poor person lives in a building without a lift in the US or Canada, that is his tough luck. In Singapore, the Government is upgrading our four-storey HDB blocks with a new staircase and a wheelchair-friendly lift that stops at every floor.

If a poor person cannot afford to pay his mortgage in the US or Canada, he can be turfed out and left homeless. If an HDB dweller cannot pay his mortgage after he loses his job, he can seek a moratorium on payments from his community development council. This mercy, to the best of my knowledge, has no equal anywhere else in the world.

After living and working in six countries, I have known for a long time that no country takes care of its people the way Singapore does.

Eric J. Brooks



Be thankful to Canada, Mr Brooks
Thursday, 6 August 2009
The following is a letter by Mr Cheong Wing Lee, a Canadian, in response to Mr Eric Brooks's letter
in the Straits Times titled, "Be grateful, Singapore".

Dear Editor,
As a fellow Canadian I am embarrassed by Mr Eric Brooks' remarks to Singaporeans. Mr. Brooks is a visitor with a superficial knowledge of Singapore history. He should refrain from making such ridiculous sweeping
statements.

I was born shortly after the Second World War and raised in Singapore before immigrating to Canada. I have worked and lived in more countries than Mr Brooks. There is no doubt that most Singaporeans deeply
appreciate the outstanding work done by the Singapore leaders in bringing the country from third world status to the present world class status. However, gratitude evolves with time and social changes. Singaporeans are now better educated. They travel, see, learn, compare and adapt. Singaporeans are not stupid or naive.

Singaporeans now have a higher level of thinking and are more demanding. This demonstrates progress. Higher aspirations, greater expectations come with evolving progressive social changes. A society that remains complacent and stagnant deteriorates and eventually collapses. No country can excel with a mindless society of puppets. The Singapore government should be grateful that its citizens are matured and not treat anyone with opposing views as public enemy. Most of them are as passionate as the government in making Singapore a better society.

Singaporeans are smart enough to see through spins and propaganda and evaluate the truths for themselves. It is difficult for most Singaporeans to remain silent whilst government leaders lecture them to be thrifty, not to be materialistic and not to demand for higher pay. On the other hand, the leaders reward themselves with pay packages that exceed the leaders' of the eight richest countries in the world combined.

The Singapore ministers� argument that their pay package is only a small fraction of the country's GDP is weak and debatable. The Canadian prime minister draws less than 10 per cent that of the Singapore prime minister's but he governs a country 15,000 times the size of Singapore, with a population that is eight times larger and with a GDP that is ten times more. Vancouver in Canada is constantly voted the best place to live in the world. This example put the Singapore government�s argument out of context.

The government gives S$360 a month as financial support for the poor and needy. If such an amount is computed by the government as enough to survive, why then do they need to pay themselves by millions?

I cordially invite any member of parliament and/or news media reporter to come and stay with me for a period of time and I will show them that it takes only a small tiny fraction of their salaries to live happily and healthily
in a beautiful environment with a good standard of living.

Is it a surprise that Singaporeans are discontented? It is just human nature. Confucius was quoted as telling the emperor on good government:

�How can the emperor be happy when the people have nothing? How can the emperor not be happy when the people have everything?�

Does Mr. Brooks know that 79% of Singapore students after studying overseas do not return to Singapore? Are they not grateful too?

So Mr. Brooks, before you further make a fool of yourself in Singapore, be grateful to Canada and not complain because of a temporary disruption in garbage collection in Toronto. Be thankful of the good healthcare system
and the generous old age pension. If you truly like Singapore you should be a citizen. There are lots of Singaporeans who are willing to trade your citizenship if it is possible.


Yours truly,
Wing Lee Cheong
 
The Straits Times FORUM:
July 31, 2009
A CANADIAN WRITES
Be grateful, S'pore




I AM writing to share many things Singaporeans take for granted.

Thanks to years of budget surpluses, when the global financial collapse hit, Singapore was able to use more money as a percentage of gross domestic product than any other country, rich or poor. Now, with its economy rebounding at a 20 per cent rate this last quarter, Singapore has recovered from the collapse faster than any other country. This is something only Singapore, with its deep pockets and years of good economic management, could pull off.

My home city, Toronto in Canada, has its rubbish collected only once a week, yet it is considered one of North America's cleaner cities. It is in the 36th day of a rubbish collectors' strike, with rubbish and foul odours on its streets and an increasingly serious problem with rats and insects. Some people even store rubbish in their refrigerators.

In Singapore, our rubbish is collected every day, no questions asked. For a $40 conservancy fee, we get a clean-up that would cost hundreds of dollars a month in the United States or Canada.

Most buildings in the US and Canada have no sheltered walkways to protect residents from rain or snow, unlike most HDB blocks. This is so even though there are Americans and Canadians who freeze to death outside in the cold every year.

Most North American cities I have lived in are cutting bus and train services just to balance their budgets. Singapore plans to add a new MRT line this year and more lines and stations over the next three years.

If a poor person lives in a building without a lift in the US or Canada, that is his tough luck. In Singapore, the Government is upgrading our four-storey HDB blocks with a new staircase and a wheelchair-friendly lift that stops at every floor.

If a poor person cannot afford to pay his mortgage in the US or Canada, he can be turfed out and left homeless. If an HDB dweller cannot pay his mortgage after he loses his job, he can seek a moratorium on payments from his community development council. This mercy, to the best of my knowledge, has no equal anywhere else in the world.

After living and working in six countries, I have known for a long time that no country takes care of its people the way Singapore does.

Eric J. Brooks



Be thankful to Canada, Mr Brooks
Thursday, 6 August 2009
The following is a letter by Mr Cheong Wing Lee, a Canadian, in response to Mr Eric Brooks's letter
in the Straits Times titled, "Be grateful, Singapore".

Dear Editor,
As a fellow Canadian I am embarrassed by Mr Eric Brooks' remarks to Singaporeans. Mr. Brooks is a visitor with a superficial knowledge of Singapore history. He should refrain from making such ridiculous sweeping
statements.

I was born shortly after the Second World War and raised in Singapore before immigrating to Canada. I have worked and lived in more countries than Mr Brooks. There is no doubt that most Singaporeans deeply
appreciate the outstanding work done by the Singapore leaders in bringing the country from third world status to the present world class status. However, gratitude evolves with time and social changes. Singaporeans are now better educated. They travel, see, learn, compare and adapt. Singaporeans are not stupid or naive.

Singaporeans now have a higher level of thinking and are more demanding. This demonstrates progress. Higher aspirations, greater expectations come with evolving progressive social changes. A society that remains complacent and stagnant deteriorates and eventually collapses. No country can excel with a mindless society of puppets. The Singapore government should be grateful that its citizens are matured and not treat anyone with opposing views as public enemy. Most of them are as passionate as the government in making Singapore a better society.

Singaporeans are smart enough to see through spins and propaganda and evaluate the truths for themselves. It is difficult for most Singaporeans to remain silent whilst government leaders lecture them to be thrifty, not to be materialistic and not to demand for higher pay. On the other hand, the leaders reward themselves with pay packages that exceed the leaders' of the eight richest countries in the world combined.

The Singapore ministers� argument that their pay package is only a small fraction of the country's GDP is weak and debatable. The Canadian prime minister draws less than 10 per cent that of the Singapore prime minister's but he governs a country 15,000 times the size of Singapore, with a population that is eight times larger and with a GDP that is ten times more. Vancouver in Canada is constantly voted the best place to live in the world. This example put the Singapore government�s argument out of context.

The government gives S$360 a month as financial support for the poor and needy. If such an amount is computed by the government as enough to survive, why then do they need to pay themselves by millions?

I cordially invite any member of parliament and/or news media reporter to come and stay with me for a period of time and I will show them that it takes only a small tiny fraction of their salaries to live happily and healthily
in a beautiful environment with a good standard of living.

Is it a surprise that Singaporeans are discontented? It is just human nature. Confucius was quoted as telling the emperor on good government:

�How can the emperor be happy when the people have nothing? How can the emperor not be happy when the people have everything?�

Does Mr. Brooks know that 79% of Singapore students after studying overseas do not return to Singapore? Are they not grateful too?

So Mr. Brooks, before you further make a fool of yourself in Singapore, be grateful to Canada and not complain because of a temporary disruption in garbage collection in Toronto. Be thankful of the good healthcare system
and the generous old age pension. If you truly like Singapore you should be a citizen. There are lots of Singaporeans who are willing to trade your citizenship if it is possible.


Yours truly,
Wing Lee Cheong

It is quite obvious the faggot Canadian in S'pore is sucking cock. he is probably a loser and a BANKRUPT in Canada and have to run road.

The comments in red are so true
 
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So Mr. Brooks, before you further make a fool of yourself in Singapore, be grateful to Canada and not complain because of a temporary disruption in garbage collection in Toronto. Be thankful of the good healthcare system
and the generous old age pension.
If you truly like Singapore you should be a citizen. There are lots of Singaporeans who are willing to trade your citizenship if it is possible.


Yours truly,
Wing Lee Cheong


I salute you Wing Lee Cheong.
 
That's rite, this Wing guy hit the nail on the head! What the Canadian guy said are on the superfical and glamour side of things. But he somehow neglect the sacrifice that have to put in...
 
The 1st Canadian is to use SAF lingo, "talking thru' his arsehole". Wtf does he know about long-suffering Singaporeans who pay and pay and work and work his whole life until he dies. For the average Joe, it's a life of hard labour and a mountain of debts, not because of gambling debts but just simply in trying to raise a small family, children's education and paying the mortgage. On the other hand, our leaders gratuitously and self-righteously reward themselves with salaries that can only be described as obscene! :oIo:

Wing, I second your views. Enjoy your life in Canada and never come back!:)
 
Straits Times published wat the Canadian in Singapore wrote but did not publish the reply.

F u c k the straits times!

So much about the 'Rights of Reply'
 
Up you Mr. Lee with RESPECT, up your lao bu chee bye brooks!
 
Even canadian PR are entitled to living subsidy of about 650 C$............so even if one work and reman as a PR..the government still look after you in your old age ....and of course..free medicals...........
 
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Wing made the right choice and moved to Canada for good to enjoy Swiss Standard of living and live in bungalows. He can also enjoy unemployment benefits, free healthcare and pension. I wonder if Canadian loser Brookes can afford to stay in bungalows here. Most Singaporeans have a roof over their heads but he doesn't know that there are increasing numbers of Singaporeans evicted from their flats as they can't afford their own mortgages. He doesn't know it takes around 20-30 years for an average family to pay off the mortgages. Canada government does give their residents housing allowance for people who can't afford to pay mortgages.
 
At this hour, thought of just browsing, end up saw this posting about Canadian-Brooks enjoying himself sucking LKY dying dickhead.:rolleyes:

If I have the chance to go Canada, I wish to meet this Brooks "SG Govt dickhead sucker" and ask him to blow me as well while I'm still holding "LKY property" pink IC.:D
 
canadian say PAP number 1, fine by me.
i rather have canadian FT then India FT or malaysian FT or worse of all PRC FT.
 
How can a PRC FT be worse can Indian FT? Are you mad? Singveld?

well, the numbers

too many of them.

they are flooding singapore like a torrid of water after crashing through the flood barrier.

soon, we will be strangers in our own land.
 
Peasant Wing is indeed another fool.

The regime is only concerned with the well being of the Imperial Family, this is a sham republic, ridden with dynastic succession and nepotistic practices. The Lee and Kua family are carefully planted in various cushy fat cat jobs that promises handsome stipends and influence that exceed their meager collective talents.

Peasants are simply resources to harness tax dollars from MNCs, Peasant Wing simply does not realised he is living in a proto-state where the regime hoodwinked peasants with silly notions of statehood.
 
WOw our local Wing Lee Cheong have out gunned J Brooks !
 
154th refused to publish Wing's rebuttal, but allowed BROKE at a second shot at stupidity! 1 cuntry, 2 systems indeed! FCUK PAPEE!

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<!-- START OF : div id="storytext"--><!-- more than 4 paragraphs -->I REFER to Mr Paul Chan's letter last Saturday ('...but so should Canadians'), rebutting my view that Singaporeans should be thankful for the benefits of good government ('Be grateful, Singapore', July 31).
Mr Chan states that in Canada, 'a distressed family of four with children under 17 years old receives...a total of up to C$1,106 (S$1,480) a month'.
In a large Canadian city, rent for a bachelor apartment starts at about C$800 a month, while an individual public transit pass costs close to C$150 a month. After rent and transport, how will a family of four eat on an allowance of C$1,100 a month? That is why, when I lived in a prosperous part of Toronto, I would pass up to 15 beggars on my five-minute walk to the train station.
Are there that many homeless beggars on a five-minute walk to an MRT station here? Are Singaporeans reading only dry economic statistics? After hearing coffee-shop talk for the past 10 years about how people in Western countries do not have to work because the government pays them, I think it is time Singaporeans learnt the truth.
Many people will refuse to believe that poverty in the West is much worse than in Singapore. Well, google 'homeless Toronto' or 'homeless New York' and find out. If Singaporeans believe Western governments pay people to be idle, why are homeless beggars freezing to death in the streets?
Most of those homeless Canadians or Americans were not lazy; they were not taken care of, by either the government or private sector job creation.
Indeed, many Canadian citizens were turned down for such generous subsidies, while foreigners claiming refugee status (but without even permanent residence) were granted generous welfare benefits and health care when they landed in Canada.
Does the Singapore Government deny benefits to citizens while giving them to newly landed foreigners? The Singapore Government is not perfect, but it should be respected for the good it does for its people.
As for 'free education', university at undergraduate level in Canada costs about C$5,000 a year, out of pocket, not including textbooks or residence.
I know of many bright Canadians who would have qualified for a full government scholarship if they had been born in Singapore. Instead, they worked in unskilled, low-paying jobs as the price of their unassisted poverty.
How much of what Singaporeans believe about Western social benefits is based on hearsay, rather than reality? Rather than listening to coffee-shop gossip or reading the press statements of foreign governments, Singaporeans should compare Singapore's ground-level social conditions to those in the West.
Ultimately, actually seeing the street-level socioeconomic conditions of Western countries puts Singapore's Government in a very good light indeed.
Eric J. Brooks
 
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