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Trump declares War on Canada

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Trump threatens to destroy Canada’s economy

U.S. President Donald Trump is threatening to cause the "ruination" of Canada if the countries cannot reach a NAFTA deal, with sources pointing to dispute resolution and tariffs on cars as obstacles to a deal.

Mr. Trump’s trade chief, Robert Lighthizer, has refused Ottawa’s key demand, the preservation of the Chapter 19 dispute-resolution system, to extract maximum concessions from Canada on its protected dairy market and pharmaceutical patents, said one U.S. industry source with knowledge of the closed-door talks.

Canada and the U.S. have been negotiating since early last week, when Washington unveiled a proposed North American free-trade deal with Mexico and pressed Canada to sign on.



By Friday, the negotiations between Foreign Affairs Minister Chrystia Freeland and Mr. Lighthizer at his office in Washington were also gridlocked over what guarantees – if any – the Trump administration will give Canada that it will not impose auto tariffs if Ottawa signs on to a new NAFTA, said two sources briefed on the negotiations.

The President raised the pressure at a rally in North Dakota, warning that he would destroy Canada’s economy with a 25-per-cent tariff on imported vehicles if there is no NAFTA deal.



"In some countries, including Canada, a tax on cars would be the ruination of the country. That’s how big it is,” he said. “NAFTA has been the worst trade deal ever.”

The U.S. agreement with Mexico contained a side-deal guaranteeing there would be no tariffs on autos in exchange for a quota on Mexican vehicle exports to the U.S., said one source with knowledge of the tentative deal. The quota is far higher than current exports, the source said, meaning it will not kick in for years. This gives Mexico the hope of negotiating it away with a future president.

The source said a promise not to impose auto tariffs on Canada is a leverage point in talks, which Mr. Lighthizer can use to get concessions on dairy or other U.S. demands.

Auto tariffs on Canada would be catastrophic for both economies. A Center for Automotive Research study estimates they would kill 700,000 jobs at U.S. car companies and dealerships and jack up the price of a new vehicle. A TD estimate puts Canadian job losses at 160,000.

"When the President threatens to ruin Canada, to be clear, he’s threatening to ruin the American auto business,” said Flavio Volpe, head of the industry group for Canadian auto parts makers.

Mr. Trump’s economic chief, Larry Kudlow, said the U.S. still had to see more dairy concessions from Canada before it would agree to a deal. The Trump administration is trying to get a piece of Canada’s protected dairy market, which keeps out foreign competition with 300-per-cent tariffs.

The U.S. is also demanding that Canadian dairy farmers stop exporting their product, which they accuse of driving down global prices, said one source.

"The word that continues to block the deal is M-I-L-K,” Mr. Kudlow told Fox Business on Friday. “Let go. Milk, dairy. Drop the barriers. Give our farmers a break.”

Canadian negotiators are under pressure from the country’s dairy lobby not to concede anything amid a tight election campaign in Quebec, home to half the country’s dairy farms.

David Wiens, vice-president of the Dairy Farmers of Canada, said any demand for greater access to Canada’s market by the U.S. is "outrageous” and would "ruin” his industry.

"From what we understand, the U.S. not only wants access to the market, but that even the exports to the U.S. or anywhere stop altogether,” he said from Washington on Friday. “We’ve made it clear to the Prime Minister that there [should] be no negative consequences out of this negotiation.”



About 5 per cent of Canada’s market for butter, cheese and other dairy products has been opened recently to imports through trade agreements with Europe and Asia. Another 5 per cent is allowed in tariff-free through trade with the U.S. and other countries.
 

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Why is trump sacrificing the auto industry for the dairy industry? N why does Canada want a free trade agreement when it's adamant on protecting the diary industry? Very hypocritical of the Canadians
 

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Ask angmoh why know opium drug destroy a country but still want drug money in China for 50 years...


Why is trump sacrificing the auto industry for the dairy industry? N why does Canada want a free trade agreement when it's adamant on protecting the diary industry? Very hypocritical of the Canadians
 

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Why is trump sacrificing the auto industry for the dairy industry? N why does Canada want a free trade agreement when it's adamant on protecting the diary industry? Very hypocritical of the Canadians

The Americans subsidize their dairy industries alot more. American farmers wish they had supply management.
 

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It is time for Canada to treat US as an enemy. Take the short-term pain of walking away. Put up the tariffs and build trade ties with other countries. US under Trump can't be trusted.
 

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It is time for Canada to treat US as an enemy. Take the short-term pain of walking away. Put up the tariffs and build trade ties with other countries. US under Trump can't be trusted.

the US has quarrel with Canada..... Canada real enemy is the Chicken King... :roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao:
 

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Trump's Beef With Canadian Milk
Why pick a fight with Canada, of all places?
KRISHNADEV CALAMUR
June 11, 2018

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President Trump’s Twitter jab at Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau—in which he publicly called the leader of an allied country “meek and mild,” plus “dishonest & weak”—spawned a mini–cottage industry of articles (including my own) on the fate of the U.S.-led Western world order. And at first glance it’s puzzling why Trump would pick a fight with Canada, of all places, just as he was departing a summit meeting there.

But in the same tweet he was pretty explicit about the source of his beef: It’s dairy. Referring to steel and aluminum tariffs he has imposed on Canada, he wrote: “Our Tariffs are in response to his of 270% on dairy!” He has a point. But Trump’s complaint obscures the fact that Canada has in the past been open to allowing in dairy imports in exchange for appropriate concessions; that Canada complains that the U.S. subsidizes its own dairy industry; and, perhaps most important, that while Trudeau, like all Western leaders, might need a close relationship with the United States, he needs to appeal to domestic political realities even more.

At issue is the Canadian supply-management system, which covers dairy, eggs, and poultry products. The system sets domestic production quotas and keeps prices stable, thereby guaranteeing farmers a steady income. And, in order to keep the supply stable, Canada blocks imports from other countries, including the U.S., by imposing tariffs—up to 270 percent on dairy products. About 80 percent of Canada’s dairy farmers are concentrated in two provinces, Quebec and Ontario, both of which are crucial to Trudeau’s political fortunes. (The system is by no means universally popular in Canada.)

“It’s not about Trump and Trudeau,” Stephen Kelly, who served as the U.S. consul general in Quebec City and the deputy chief of mission in Ottawa, told me. “This has been an irritant for many years.”

Decades, in fact—and not just for the United States, whose dairy farmers would like access to the Canadian market, but also their counterparts in New Zealand and elsewhere. New Zealand had opposed Canada’s entry into the Trans-Pacific Partnership over the supply-management system, but Stephen Harper, the Canadian prime minister at the time, agreed to dismantle the system in exchange for TPP membership. When the U.S. withdrew from the TPP, one of Trump’s first decisions as president, Canada withdrew that concession—other countries withdrew their concessions, as well—in the hopes that it could be put back on the table in the future if the U.S. rejoins the pact and demands compromises from the others.


The Canadians aren’t entirely opposed to negotiating on the dairy industry if they are getting something in return: In its Comprehensive Economic and Trade Agreement with the European Union, Canada agreed to import European cheese without tariffs. From Canada’s point of view, it is worth it for nearly tariff-free access to the 28-member bloc that is the world’s largest economy.

“In a multilateral context, there was more to trade off. Now the problem is that Trump is dealing with this in a bilateral context where trade barriers are generally very low,” Christopher Sands, the director of the Center for Canadian Studies at Johns Hopkins University’s School for Advanced International Studies, told me. “Most tariffs are down to zero anyway. So, there’s not much for the U.S. to give in return for the change.”

It doesn’t help that the U.S. subsidizes its own dairy industry heavily—up to $22 billion in 2015, according to one study. “The Canadians say, ‘Hey, wait a minute. You subsidize milk, too,’” Kelly, who is now a research scholar at the Sanford School of Public Policy at Duke University, said. “You’ve got all sorts of support programs for milk.”


In other words, Canada props up its dairy industry through quotas that cap the amount produced, and imposes heavy tariffs on imports. The U.S. subsidizes its dairy industry, resulting in lower costs for U.S. consumers, but a supply glut.

“From a geopolitical point of view, the trouble with supply management is it's kind of in your face: ‘You cannot enter our market. You foreigners cannot enter our markets unless you pay tariffs of like 200 percent,’” Kelly said. “Whereas subsidies are more insidious. They … probably are anti-trade in some sense, but they’re not as glaring. … We do it more subtly.”

Those subsidies exist in the U.S. for the same reason Canada has a supply-management system: domestic politics.

Harper’s conservative government could make a concession on the TPP because, Sands said, his party had almost no parliamentary seats in Quebec, the province with the greatest concentration of dairy farmers; he was dealing with a budget surplus with which he could simply provide the farmers with cash payments; and, in return, he could offer Canadian dairy farmers access to foreign markets. Trudeau, on the other hand, doesn’t have these advantages: Quebec provides Trudeau his second-biggest bloc of seats, including his own, making him politically vulnerable if he infuriates dairy farmers. He has no obvious olive branch to offer the dairy industry. Perhaps most importantly, he's in a budget deficit.

“He doesn't have the maneuverability,” Sands said, “which isn’t to say that we couldn’t reach an agreement here, but the politics have changed and the dynamics have changed.” As have U.S. relations with Canada.

Sands said Trudeau took a strategic decision when Trump was elected that he was going to work with the U.S. president. The Canadian public, despite their dislike of Trump, supported their prime minister.

“He got lots of praise for that in that first year or so, but he got nothing in return: NAFTA is still unsettled, steel and aluminum tariffs are hitting him, softwood lumber tariffs are hitting him,” Sands said. “And I think what he's judged is ‘I'm getting nothing for being nice.’”

This could have political consequences for Trudeau, who faces an election next year. The election of Doug Ford, the populist conservative, as premier of Ontario is likely a particularly dangerous sign. Ontario, the province with the most parliamentary seats, has more to lose from the destruction of NAFTA than any other Canadian province. Its auto industry is also being threatened by Trump’s tariffs. Ford could prove to be a formidable critic ahead of the 2019 election. Trudeau’s rhetoric has changed during this time, as well. He went on NBC’s Meet the Press, saying his country was “not going to be pushed around” on trade by the Americans. And in his now-famous news conference after the G7 summit, he reiterated that Canadian tariffs on U.S. products would go into effect July. 1. “Canadians, we’re polite, we’re reasonable, but we also will not be pushed around,” he said. By all accounts, Trudeau’s response has been widely welcomed in Canada—even by his political rivals.

“I don't want to say panic is setting in, but there has been a strategic shift, and … so that's why Trudeau escalated, and Trump responded to the escalation by escalating again. It’s that classic Trumpian brinkmanship,” Sands told me. “We’re on a very bad track because I don't really see Trudeau having a lot of room to retreat, and Trump can change his mind any time, but he doesn't seem like he wants to right now.”

https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2018/06/trump-canada-dairy/562508/
 
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