Torturing of terrorists

[Alu862]

For all you SDP and human rights supporters out there, if we can't torture terrorists for information on attacks or hideouts, how do you propose we get information from then?

 

[kakowi]

There is, in my view, a fundamental difference between terrorists and decent human beings.

Human rights are meant to affirm the value of being human, the right to your thoughts, actions. It is not meant to be manipulated in order to give you the right to harm others.

A terrorist on the other hand, does not affirm the value of other humans. They affirm instead their own convictions and their right to harm others to protect their own convictions. If they had directed their ire against those who perpetuated the perceived injustice upon them, it is not so bad. But they do so against innocent human beings.

Should therefore terrorists come under the purview of human rights, just because they are classified as 'human being'? And in turn have their rights to harm others affirmed?

But having said all these, technology has advanced so much that traditional torture methods are no longer neccessary.

 

[jw5]

There is, in my view, a fundamental difference between terrorists and decent human beings.

Human rights are meant to affirm the value of being human, the right to your thoughts, actions. It is not meant to be manipulated in order to give you the right to harm others.

A terrorist on the other hand, does not affirm the value of other humans. They affirm instead their own convictions and their right to harm others to protect their own convictions. If they had directed their ire against those who perpetuated the perceived injustice upon them, it is not so bad. But they do so against innocent human beings.

Should therefore terrorists come under the purview of human rights, just because they are classified as 'human being'? And in turn have their rights to harm others affirmed?

But having said all these, technology has advanced so much that traditional torture methods are no longer neccessary.

The question is whether the terrorists should be tortured in order get the relevant information to save loads of innocent lives.

 

[kakowi]

There are so many ways of answering this and it all proceeds from your own assumptions

There is also the matter of urgency and sureness...is that terrorist really planning an attack or are you thinking that he is planning an attack, say on national day where many people are gathered

is that terrorist really a terrorist or is he a person who happen to disagree with you?

so let us take on the assumptions and assume the worst...then a case can be made out that the torture or even killing of that terrorist is justified especially if you consider it as war

and coming back to reality, how true are such assumptions anyway?

and is torture neccessary given that there are far more effective methods today?

finally, my answer if you are asking for absolute statements is that there are no absolutes

 

[zack123]

There are so many ways of answering this and it all proceeds from your own assumptions

There is also the matter of urgency and sureness...is that terrorist really planning an attack or are you thinking that he is planning an attack, say on national day where many people are gathered

is that terrorist really a terrorist or is he a person who happen to disagree with you?

so let us take on the assumptions and assume the worst...then a case can be made out that the torture or even killing of that terrorist is justified especially if you consider it as war

and coming back to reality, how true are such assumptions anyway?

and is torture neccessary given that there are far more effective methods today?

finally, my answer if you are asking for absolute statements is that there are no absolutes

My view is that if you stoop to their level in inflicting pain onto another deliberately, then you would loose your moral superiority. There are other ways to gather information or to sway people away from the hideous.

Read through any of the holy books and learn to do things the right way.

 

[kakowi]

(1) and when they proceed to kill many people, what will you do?

(2) terrorists also read their holy books and do things their right way

To conclude, there are no absolute answers. If you feel there are, then we have a difference of opinion. I will leave it at this.

 

[zack123]

(1) and when they proceed to kill many people, what will you do?

(2) terrorists also read their holy books and do things their right way

To conclude, there are no absolute answers. If you feel there are, then we have a difference of opinion. I will leave it at this.

Many may be sacrificed in order for the truth to be exposed.

People find enlightenment in reading the holy books. However those who indicriminately and deliberately interprete them according to their own need and wrongfully mislead the people will be dealt with within the law of the world or thereafter

 

[Alu862]

So do we wait and see? SDP thinks Mas Selamat died under torture. Their good friend Gopalan supports Mas as a hero. Do we have to wait for Mas (if he is a terrorist) to blow up something and then classify him as a terrorist and torture him (if we can capture him)

PS: Note the big divide--SDP--thinks Mas did not escape. Gopalan, supports Mas. (Wait till MAs blows up a US target. What will Gopi say?)