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Top 10 headlines that could signal a market bottom

Porfirio Rubirosa

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Top 10 headlines that could signal a market bottom
By Kate Gibson, MarketWatch

NEW YORK (MarketWatch) -- With few technical or fundamental road signs left, two equity strategists have devised a top 10 list for investors searching for signs of a bottom -- not to be confused with a bear-market rally.

At turns both serious and tongue-in-cheek, BNY ConvergEx Group analysts Nicholas Colas and Oren Klachkin offer the following as their top 10 signs of a market bottom:

1. A significant (more than 10%) one- or two-day drop in the market. The current orderly decline, while severe, is largely running in line with the deteriorating U.S. economy, said Colas and Klachkin. Therefore, an even sharper drop would position stocks as cheap, relative to fundamentals -- "perhaps even cheap enough to make a bottom," the analysts said.

2. Timothy Geithner is replaced with Paul Volcker. Fairly or not, the market does not have a lot of confidence in Treasury Secretary Geithner, while former Federal Reserve Chairman Volcker's "proven abilities in a crisis could play better with investors," the analysts said. Volcker currently heads the Economic Recovery Advisory Board under President Barack Obama.

3. The 100th day of a bankruptcy by General Motors Corp. The first few weeks of a Chapter 11 filing by the automobile maker (GM) General Motors Corporation would likely be chaotic, given the industry's linkage with so many parts of the economy. "After the initial problems, though, the market may have finally discounted the structural challenges of the U.S. economy," said Colas and Klachkin.

4. Gold at $2,000 an ounce. "Gold is the ultimate capital-markets panic play. A quick double in the metal would be a strong contrarian indicator that it was time to buy stocks," the analysts said. "I'm not sure I want to live in a world where gold is $2,000 an ounce. It would mean something is tremendously wrong. From an equity standpoint, the best thing you can say about gold right now is that it hasn't broken out to record highs even in the face of uncertainty," Colas said in an interview with MarketWatch. Read Metals Stocks.

5. The Dow Jones Industrial Average changes more than two names at the same time, and/or adds names to increase the overall number of stocks in the index."There are some 'zombie stocks' in the index ($INDU), to borrow a popular phrase. The Dow is price-weighted, so small-priced stocks are almost irrelevant to the performance of the index. By the time the senior editors of Dow Jones recognize they need to change some names in the index, it may be time to [reconsider] the market as a whole."

6. New York Stock Exchange daily volume drops to 1 billion shares for 30 sessions in a row. "Sometimes you just need everyone to give up to make a bottom," the analysts reasoned.

7. One million jobs lost in a month. Such a bad number could indicate a bottom, given the lagging nature of the employment count.

8. The market starts to rally on bad news. "In prior cycles, bad news turned into good market performance when it showed that [the] Fed had the economic reason to cut interest rates. In this market, the Fed is out of bullets, so bad news is bad. When the market can rally on bad news, it is a great sign that valuations finally reflect the current environment," the analysts said.

9. Stock market favorites see 15% to 20% declines. When standout companies -- such as Wal-Mart Stores Inc. (WMT) Wal-Mart Stores Inc -- "get clobbered" you'll know a bottom is near, they said.

10. CNBC goes off the air. "The entire financial community has a love/hate relationship with the box in the corner of every trading room that is permanently turned to the network. The only certain bottom would be when so few people care that the network has to close." Read Jon Friedman's commentary on Jon Stewart's CNBC skewering.

On Monday, Geithner remained Treasury secretary, GM was still a going concern, and CNBC remained on the air. Stocks finished solidly lower after meandering between gains and losses, with energy stocks leading the gains and telecommunication services pacing the declines.

"People continue to be in panic-driven liquidation mode. These markets haven't been so oversold since tomorrow," said Art Hogan, chief market strategist at Jefferies & Co.

The Dow industrials fell 79.89 points, or 1.2%, to 6,547.05. The S&P 500 ($SPX) S&P 500 Index dropped 6.85 points, or 1%, to 676.53, and the Nasdaq Composite (COMP) Nasdaq Composite Index declined 25.21 points, or 2%, to 1,268.64, its lowest close since October 2002. See stock-market report.

Kate Gibson is a reporter for MarketWatch, based in New York.
 

zuoom

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instead of a drop, stocks rallied.

perhaps setting up for a bigger drop? or has it turned a corner? (only to meet a wall?)
 

lolabunny

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In a nutshell, the dive to the bottom is still on as the none of the 10 signs have emerged.

Eh you read one article and you believe all the points like it's the gospel truth?
:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

How come none of you "smart" guys have any ORIGINAL POINTS of your own to add? Gimme a break.

Btw i'm just an ignorant girl, so i'm not a "smart" guy.
 

scroobal

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Eh you read one article and you believe all the points like it's the gospel truth?
:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

How come none of you "smart" guys have any ORIGINAL POINTS of your own to add? Gimme a break.

Btw i'm just an ignorant girl, so i'm not a "smart" guy.

Its a tongue in cheek article. There has only been one trend (downwards) for many moons. Not a single person of repute has indicated a change in the other direction for months.

This is a time for technicals and fundamentals to be kept in the cupboard as there is crisis in confidence in play.

- this is the time when someone speaks of PE ratios, you know that he does not have all his marbles

- this is the time when someone tells you its time to go for high dividend stocks, you know that he probably operates a foodcourt

- this is the time when someone tells you that blue chips are undervalued and to go for it, you scratch your head as you realise that the first is right but the second part is completely wrong

- this is the time when someone tells you that citibank will not disappear, you ask for an extra lemon slice in your ice tea

- this is the time when someone introduces you to a respected broker, you turn it down to date your ex-girlfriend's mother

- this is the time when you pop down to zouk, there are 6 car jockeys for 3 cars

- this is the time when you buy gold, everyone involved in the transaction will hope that you have the patience to monitor gold movement every 5 minutes around the clock

- this is the time, when you buy a car, the salesman is extra nice because he knows that you don't read the papers or see the news

- this is the time when you buy a house, you scratch your head to compile a list of smart answers to give the saleman as he too will be wondering if you read the papers.

- this the time not to look for "original points" but to sit patiently on a hill and watch as the tsunami rolls back
 

SneeringTree

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Eh you read one article and you believe all the points like it's the gospel truth?
:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

How come none of you "smart" guys have any ORIGINAL POINTS of your own to add? Gimme a break.

Btw i'm just an ignorant girl, so i'm not a "smart" guy.

Do you actually think that any half intelligent person would not see the article for the satire that it is?
 

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Do you actually think that any half intelligent person would not see the article for the satire that it is?
scroobal said:
..a tongue in cheek article. There has only been one trend (downwards) for many moons. Not a single person of repute has indicated a change in the other direction for months. This is a time for technicals and fundamentals to be kept in the cupboard as there is crisis in confidence in play.
lolabunny said:
..read one article and you believe all the points like it's the gospel truth? How come none of you "smart" guys have any ORIGINAL POINTS of your own to add? Gimme a break
Bunny gal, give us more credit (oops, scarce resource these days). Don't think that us with half a brain bought it. Fortunes lost every day, and the proverbial crystal ball's no help either.

And going by what you also said of yourself, try not to go where angels fear to thread
 

Porfirio Rubirosa

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Exactly:biggrin: Seriously I quite like this chap Yeoh, from some of his published articles it would appear that he is somewhat keen on social justice. however his comments today are so obvious that I wonder why he needs to make them not only so ironic that GIC did not act on such advice prior to buying Citi and UBS. Why didn't Yeoh see this earlier or at least have some misgivings?

Unfortunately, Yeoh Lam Keong is not satirizing.
 
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