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ahleebabasingaporethief

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GAVE THEMSELVES 8 MONTHS BONUS THIS YEAR 2011. INCREASE THEIR OWN SALARIES BY 20%. Your salary and bonus Singaporeans how much ah?

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Leaves a very bitter after taste for most Singaporeans:oIo:
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Compare the body language of the Ministars...who do you think is the least bo chap and guiltfree? Quite obvious who that person is right? The rest at least tried to show contrite.
 

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PAP should nominate a WP member as a Minister of State and make him donate his full salary to charity
 

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Pity I cannot seem to find last week's newspaper report where it was reported that the SCUMS have given themselves a 20-30% salary increase as well as 8 months bonus. KNN! <input id="gwProxy" type="hidden"><!--Session data--><input onclick="if(typeof(jsCall)=='function'){jsCall();}else{setTimeout('jsCall()',500);}" id="jsProxy" type="hidden"><input id="gwProxy" type="hidden"><!--Session data--><input onclick="if(typeof(jsCall)=='function'){jsCall();}else{setTimeout('jsCall()',500);}" id="jsProxy" type="hidden"><input id="gwProxy" type="hidden"><!--Session data--><input onclick="if(typeof(jsCall)=='function'){jsCall();}else{setTimeout('jsCall()',500);}" id="jsProxy" type="hidden">
 

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Big clap of hands to Slyvia for bring up this issue..

Our goverment has been over paid :mad: at the expense of the people.
 

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normally, if you draw 20 - 30x the salary of a normal worker, I expect to receive minimum 20x value / productivity or contribution from you.

For the current crop of MPs / ministers...r we getting this value?

This shld be the question asked.
 

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Who approved the PAP bonus and Pay raise, when they performed poorly?

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Hi there I recently read that the ministers will get something like 8 months bonus and pay increments because they “performed well “
Firstly how is this measured, if we say GDP, than the question is GDP at who’s expense?
By bringing in cheap labor to displace and depress Singaporean wages, is totally going against your employers (Singaporeans) wishes.
We (Singaporeans) being the pay masters of the government should have the “right of say” as to who and to what extent pay increment or bonuses should be given out.
The analogy here would be like someone taking an exam and then grading his OWN paper, this is totally absurd and does not make any common sense.
How can someone grade themselves and give themselves a pay raise, where many Singaporeans are made poorer.
The HDB housing lease hold prices as shot up because of poor planning
The GST made every Singaporeans poorer
Jobs and wages are depressed

So what “good performance” are we talking about here?

There should not be any pay raise or bonus, but some people should be retrenched for poor performance that directly impacted the citizens live.
Does good performance equate to Singaporeans being jobless and poorer?
The pay raise and bonus should be used to help the poor people that have been impacted by weak and failed policies.
Here’s a suggestion, the ministers salary should actually be pegged to the lowest income earners in Singapore, instead of the highest, and if they are able to move the bottom earners upwards, then the ministers pay will be adjusted accordingly.

If the ministers are only in it for the money and not for the citizens, then it is best they leave and get a job outside.

Please vote for the opposition, because it seems the PAP are “helping themselves” and telling us to be cheaper, faster and better by opening the flood gates to import cheap labor to compete for our jobs.

Vote for the opposition, for an alternative voice, before it’s too late
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Pay us or your women will become maids!

Andrew Loh

After dishing out the goodies to Singaporeans, ministers are rewarding themselves with the biggest goody of all.

“Mr Teo yesterday revealed that because of the ‘exceptionally high’ growth in gross domestic product (GDP) last year, senior officials, including ministers, will receive the maximum GDP-linked bonus, which ‘accounts for a maximum of about ¼ of the annual salary of senior officers, or eight months’.”

– Straits Times, 3 March 2011, reporting the announcement by Minister in charge of the Civil Service and Deputy Prime Minister, Mr Teo Chee Hean, of a bigger pay packet for “top public servants” this year.

Whenever salaries of ministers are “revised” upwards, criticisms of this flow thick and fast. This happened in 2007 as well, when salaries for ministers were raised by some 60 per cent. Minister Mentor Lee Kuan Yew lambasted Singaporeans for criticizing the increase then:

“I say you have no sense of proportion; you don’t know what life is about. The cure to all this talk is really a good dose of incompetent government. You get that alternative, and you’ll never put Singapore together again.” (New York Times)

“Lee senior told the Straits Times on Thursday… that it is “absurd” for Singaporeans to quarrel about ministerial pay and warned that Singapore would suffer if the government could not pay competitive salaries.

“Your security will be at risk and our women will become maids in other people’s countries,” he said. (CNN)

Well, that’s MM Lee – who lives in the “real world”. Or so he claims. (Reuters)

Whatever the PAP Government’s reasons for rewarding itself a eight-month bonus this time, it is an excessive amount, by any measure. How the Government arrived at this figure of eight months has never been explained. It seems almost an arbitrary number plucked out of thin air.

The justification Mr Teo gives for this latest revision is simply because the GDP is expected to grow 14.5 per cent this year – which, according to the formula for salaries, merits a bonus of eight months since GDP growth exceeds the threshold 10 per cent.

How much have salaries for ministers increased since 1994, when the formula for pegging ministers’ pay to the private sector was first mooted? In 1994, the Prime Minister’s salary was S$1.15 million. Currently, his salary is S$3.76 million – an increase of about S$2.6 million in 16 years.

It is unclear if the PM gets rewarded with a GDP Bonus but his ministers do.



8 months bonuses – justified?

I think Singaporeans will recall the many failings of some ministers these past few years – including the Prime Minister himself.

Lets look at some of these individual ministers and their failings and consider if these ministers deserve an eight-month bonus.

DPM Wong Kan Seng



His failures are epic. The almost comical simplicity of Mas Selamat’s escape from Singapore’s Internal Security Department’s grasp is well remembered by one and all. Yet, instead of taking full responsibility and resign, DPM Wong instead pointed the finger – audaciously, I might add – at the lower rungs in his ministry. Yet, this is not his only failure with regards to Mas Selamat. His ministry failed to arrest Mas Selamat not once but twice. And both times after the man has escaped, it was our neighbouring countries which re-captured the suspect and handed him over to Singapore.

Another failure of DPM Wong is in raising Singapore’s birth rate. DPM Wong oversees the National Population and Talent Division, charged with arresting the declining procreation rate. It was reported recently that our Total Fertility Rate has dropped to a record low of 1.16, one of the lowest in the world.

Vivian Balakrishnan, Minister MCYS



Another minister with epic failures to his name. From the quadrupling of the budget for the Youth Olympic Games, which went from its original S$104 million to S$387 million, to the number of homeless people camped out in parks all over Singapore, Dr Balakrishnan seemed oblivious to these. Here is a minister who would argue – quite ridiculously – with his fellow PAP MP in Parliament over an extra S$1 a day for those on Public Assistance – the old, poor, sick – but who thinks nothing of splashing almost S$400 million on a sports event. Indeed, he “admitted three times” that he got the YOG budget wrong.

As for the homeless, instead of similarly admitting that he “got it wrong” and that his finger wasn’t on the pulse, he went to Parliament and ridiculed a homeless couple and “irresponsible websites” which brought the matter to his attention!

Raymond Lim, Minister of Transport



If any minister was sleeping on his job, Raymond Lim is he. The crowded MRT trains seem to have caught the minister by surprise. Apparently, he woke up to the problem late, at which time commuters were already suffering the results of his slumber. Even today, the trains are packed, and nothing effective seems to have been done to improve the situation. Audaciously, SMRT’s Chief Executive Saw Phaik Hwa laid the blame squarely on commuters – “People can board the trains. It is whether they want to,” she said last year. Mr Lim kept his silence instead of admonishing the good CEO.

What about Mr Lim’s solution to traffic jams on the roads? Install more Electronic Road Pricing gantries, and increase the fees. That seems to be his only solution – which in any case, does not seem to alleviate the problem, especially during peak hours.

Yaacob Ibrahim, Environment and Water Works Minister



When many areas in Singapore were flooded in November 2009, Mr Yaacob famously said this “occurs once every 50 years”. As it turned out, that wasn’t true. The following months in 2010 saw massive floodings all over Singapore, the most noteworthy was the one at Orchard Road. Mr Yaacob and his lieutenants then blamed it on “choked drains”, and of course, ultimately laid the responsibility on Singaporeans.

Mah Bow Tan, National Development Minister



There is no need to elaborate too much on Mr Mah’s “accomplishments” these last few years. I think the results speak for themselves. He allowed housing prices to escalate before making a show of introducing “cooling measures” to try and rein in prices – all of which have failed, even until today.

Certainly, this is one minister who does not, by any stretch of the imagination, deserve an eight-month bonus.

Khaw Boon Wan, Health Minister

Mr Khaw proved to everyone that he truly lived in the Ivory Tower when he declared, rather gleefully, how he had to pay only S$8 out of his pocket for his bypass surgery in 2010. He was trying to show that healthcare in Singapore is cheap and affordable. The truth is that more and more Singaporeans, especially the elderly ones, are going overseas for treatment and to fill prescriptions because they can’t afford to do so in Singapore.

And I dare say that, contrary to what the minister tried to portray, no one in Singapore pays S$8 for a major surgery. Not any average Singaporean anyway.

Lee Kuan Yew



What can one say about this Old Mascot? From dissing leaders of our neighbouring countries, to casting doubts on Singaporean Muslims’ religious practice, the man is, surely, past his prime. His Government Investment Corporation of Singapore (GIC) lost more than S$50 billion in investments. No one knows what goes on in that secret agency. As someone who claims to have handed the reins of power over to the younger leaders, MM Lee seem to love hogging the limelight and is in the news more than any other minister, releasing so many books which claim to tell the “Singapore story”, and provide “hard truths to keep Singapore going”. Seems his preoccupation is to write books and preach from his bully pulpit. As he himself has said several times, he is no longer in charge, he is “not so quick on the uptake”, and he doesn’t even spend as much time in the office as he did previously.

These are some examples of ministers who, in spite of major failings, are going to receive eight months worth of GDP bonuses running into the millions of dollars of taxpayers’ money.

There is a moral issue in this obscene – lets call a spade a spade – eight-months bonus for ministers. Can you or should you enrich yourself in such a blatantly despicable manner when so many Singaporeans are still struggling to cope, when job security is no longer assured, when Singaporeans are told to brace themselves for record inflation this year, and when retirement is no longer something Singaporeans can look forward to with gladness? And when Singapore has the second highest income-inequality gap in the world?

Also, when the performance of the current government leaves much to be desired, as can be seen in its many failures of the last few years, is GDP growth the only yardstick which matters? After the elections, the government could very well import another million foreign workers. GDP growth would double to 30 per cent. And ministers could reward themselves with another eight months worth of bonuses.

Simply using GDP growth as a yardstick is quite stupid, really. It makes no sense whatsoever.

In the 2004 Parliamentary exchange with NCMP Steve Chia, PM Lee Hsien Loong said:

“The Member’s implicit question is: are the Ministers enriching themselves again? And the answer is, we are going on market terms and, if anything, we are paying below what the market is.”

Well, if ministers were assessed on their performance in “the market” (ie, the private sector), it is not improbable that at least some of them would have been fired long ago, let alone be given such obscenegenerous bonuses.

One can only hope that the Prime Minister remembers and heeds his own words in 2006:

“We must not allow ourselves to be divided between haves and have-nots, or winners and loser. If we let a politics of envy drive a wedge between us, our society will be destroyed, and all will suffer. That must never happen.”

Finance Minister Tharman Shanmugaratnam in his Budget 2011 speech declared that the government will raise workers’ salaries by 30 per cent in the next 10 years.

Ministers, on the other hand, will now receive a 30 per cent increase in total remuneration with just a stroke of the pen. In fact, with just a few words in Parliament and the dirty deed is done.

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Singapore Ministers Pay, Legitimised Corruption

With the extended downturn in the recession we see large banks falling,
accompanied with salary cuts and retrenchments in the private sector.

One looming question is whether the pay of Singapore's Million Dollar ministers
(which are supposed to be pegged to private sector salaries of top income
earners) will also see a 50-70% pay-cut?

We think not and circulate an old article which discusses this issue

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Singapore Ministers Pay, Legitimised Corruption
Singapore Review, 2 May 2003 (updated May 2005)
By Mellanie Hewlitt

The headlines blared loudly in the 2 May 2003 issues of the Straits Times and
Business Times "Pay cut? Ministers ready to lead by example: DPM", announcing to
the entire world this selfless act of leadership by Singapore's Ruling Elite.

In what appeared to be an initial move to reduce severely inflated salaries, to
more reasonable industry standards, Singapore's Ruling Elite have bowed to
public pressure and hinted at accepting a pay cut.

Or have they?

What exactly does "Leading By Example" mean? Lets try to put some substance
behind those brave words. As of last count, average take home pay of a Singapore
minister was well in excess of SGD100,000/- a month.

The below table puts things back in proper perspective: (these are basic figures
as of July 2000 and did not include last year's pay hikes or other benefits.
Otherwise the updated numbers may well be much larger)

1. Singapore President's Basic Salary US$1,483,000 (SGD$2,373,100)*a year
Singapore Prime Minister's Basic Salary US$1,100,000 (SGD1,958,000) a year
Minister's Basic: US$655,530 to US$819,124 (SGD1,166,844 to SGD1,458,040) a year

2. United States of America President: US$200,000 Vice President: US$181,400
Cabinet Secretaries: US$157,000

3. United Kingdom Prime Minister: US$170,556 Ministers: US$146,299 Senior Civil
Servants: US$262,438

4. Australia Prime Minister: US$137,060 Deputy Prime Minister: US$111,439
Treasurer: US$102,682

5. Hong Kong Chief Executive : US$416,615 Top Civil Servant: US$278,538
Financial Sec: US$315,077

Source: Asian Wall Street Journal July 10 2000 *Singapore President's salary
which was updated in 2005 from the Singapore Straits Times

In relative terms, less then 20% of Singaporeans here have take home salaries
exceeding SGD100,000/- A YEAR.

In stark contrast, BASIC SALARY FOR A MINISTER STARTS AT SGD1,166,844 A YEAR,OR
JUST UNDER SGD100,000 A MONTH.

What these ministers earns in just ONE MONTH exceeds the ANNUAL TAKE HOME
salary of 80% of Singapore's income earning population. Lets not even begin to
compare annual packages which will exceed SGD1 million easily.

With the above numbers and figures now in perspective, it is easier to give
substance to the words "leading by example". Several facts are noteworthy here;

a) That the ministerial salaries are grossly out of proportion, even when
compared with their counterparts in much larger countries (US and UK) who have
far heavier responsibilities.

b) That these salary reductions were long overdue. In the past, such handsome
remuneration were "justified" on the back of resounding performance. However,
Singapore's economy has been in the doldrums of a recession for several years
now (with beginnings reaching as far back as the 1997 Asian economic crisis).
This economic barometer is a rough measure of performance and implies that
ministerial salaries were due for review at least 3-4 years ago.

c) That adjustments should be made to bring them back within the industry
benchmarks. Taking the salary of US vice president as a rule of thumb, the
percentage for reductions should start at 50% of current pay. Even if a
Singapore minister takes a 50% pay-cut, he would still be earning much more then
the US vice president.

d) The percentage reductions should greater then 50% if the intent is to bring
the salaries within the perspective of Singapore's domestic scene.

With such inflated figures, it is understandable why the local government
controlled media (Singapore Press Holdings) have taken pains to exclude mention
of actual numbers for the world to see. The numbers would be too glaring and no
amount of window dressing or creative writing could have reconciled these
numbers with a sane figure and restored credibility.

Also relevant is the question whether such highly paid million dollar ministers
can ever relate to the plight of the average man on the street. The remarks of
Mrs Goh Chok Tong, that a SGD600,000/- per annum salary (of NKF CEO) is PEANUTS,
is a harsh reflection of the real mind-sets, priorities and values of
Singapore's million dollar ministers. And it is these same million dollar
elitist bureucrats who will shape and determine public policies which will touch
on the daily lifelihoods of every Singaporean.

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It is unlikely that Singapore's Ruling Elite will accept such huge salary cuts.
Exactly How much and when the ministerial pay-cuts takes effect is not revealed.
Ask any man on the street and 9 out of 10 responses indicate many agree the
current ministerial salaries are grossly inflated, especially in these lean and
difficult times.

Said a long time forumer from an internet political chat group:
"First of all the Ministers are NOT leading on pay cut. Workers' salaries have
been drastically reduced since the beginning of the recession while thousands
have been unemployed. so the Ministers are NOT LEADING. they are only CATCHING
UP. And they have several decades to catch up on."

"Secondly, how much of a pay cut will Ministers take? 10%? 20%? unless its a cut
that will affect their lifestyles, it is merely symbolic and they would still
not know what it feels like to be a normal worker. as such, this is not Leading
by Example. Its just another bogus political propaganda stunt"

A 29 yr old executive who requested to remain anonymous admitted sheepishly ;
"The numbers (ministerial salaries) are a national embarrassment really, because
it reflects the underlying materialistic value systems of Singapore Ministers.
No matter how you look at it, the fact remains that our ministers are money
faced, and these are supposed to be Singapore's leaders, with value systems that
Singaporeans should follow." "It (the ministerial salaries) puts Singapore in a
bad light in the eyes of the world. The rest of Singaporeans really put in an
honest days work for every penny they earn. And the process for review and
approval of the ministerial salaries is also a joke. Imagine sitting on the
board and approving (on White Paper)your own salary increments! Its all a wayang
show".

This also raises the question as to the authenticity of the actual process for
review and approval of cabinet minister's salaries. Who decides on these
numbers? Is there independence and transparency?

Veteran opposition figure J.B. Jeyaretnam on Wednesday, Nov 20, 2002 challenged
Singapore government ministers to take a pay cut to show they understand the
economic hardships faced by the public. And the over-riding concern is that
Singapore's Ruling Elite are unable to appreciate the economic hardship that the
masses face in these tough times.

The growing public resentment comes afew months after PM Goh's careless comments
that "lay-offs were not all bad", drew a backlash from the public with a flood
of e-mails being sent to the foreign press to register public indignation.

It is a revelation that when the "paycuts" were finally effected they amounted
to a miniscule 10% haircut from the massively bloated ministerial salaries.

It is also a revelation that barely a year later (in June 2004) the bloated
ministerial salaries were restored and increased beyond their original levels
even as the rest of Singapore was still struggling in the throes of a recession.
(There were no CPF restorations for the rest of working Singaporeans).

Source Sg_Review group
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If Aljunied voters reject Ah Lian again, they deserve a good fuck from the MIW. Ah Lian brought up all pertinent points wrt ministers' salaries. Vote SL!
 

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As mentioned, the older voters who makes up a bulk of % in the votes do not really care about the minister pay scale. This point won't matter when it comes to swing of votes.
 

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There is speculation that the General Election is just around the corner (Dec 2010?) as Straits Times today (14 Oct 2010) reported that PAP MPs were asked to have their photos taken and prepare for rehearsal for speeches.
I just want to show you something from the 2006 Election:
I am concerned about less-skilled Singaporeans, whose jobs and wages are under pressure. I worry for older Singaporeans too, living by themselves and having to provide for their medical and daily expenses. I am troubled that a terrorist attack will sow suspicion and discord among Singaporeans.
We must respond boldly and creatively to these opportunities and challenges, expand our horizons and aim high. We will continue to restructure our economy to make it more productive and resilient. We should make our society more vibrant and cohesive. And our young must be imbued with the same can-do, never-say-die Singapore spiritthat has brought us here”
– Prime Minister Lee Hsien Loong, his letter to Singaporeans, PAP Manifesto for General Election 2006.

You remember this letter sent to you during the last election? I want to show it to you to remind you of PM Lee’s promise in 2006 to “respond boldly and creatively” to the challenges faced by Singaporeans. That was 4 years ago. Just look at the above paragraph – right on top, he said “I’m concerned…about less skilled Singaporeans whose jobs and wages are under pressure”. He sent this letter to all Singaporeans during the last election and after he got elected he opened the floodgates to cheap foreign labor and that increased the downward pressure on the wages of lower skilled workers. He increased GST – a regressive tax that would be most heavily shouldered by low wages earners. He increased the pay of his cabinet which was already the highest in the world prior to the increase.
When the campaigning starts and the PAP men give their speeches and make their promises, remember what Lee Hsien Loong said in 2006 and what he has done since.
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This is a very SEROUS issue. Something is not good. I worried for Singapore. Look at those ministers, the word criminal written all over their faces. I don't feel a soul in any of them. They must be rid soonest possible.
 
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