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They eat m&d in India

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Diet of m&d and despair in Indian village

By Chris Morris
BBC News, Ganne, Uttar Pradesh




Children in Ganne have to eat dried m&d and silica
"We live on a day-to-day basis," Suraj says, as the faint sound of hammering echoes across the village. "What we earn is what we spend on our families in a day."

In Ganne, just off the main road about an hour south of the city of Allahabad, this is a simple fact of life.

It is home to members of a poor tribal community, who live in small huts clustered around a series of shallow quarries.

Inside one of the huts sits a little girl called Poonam. She is three years old, and in the early stages of kidney failure.

Like many children in Ganne she has become used to eating bits of dried m&d and silica, which she finds in the quarry. Tiny children chew on the m&d simply because they are hungry - but it is making them ill.

When reports first emerged of children eating m&d here local officials delivered more food and warned the villagers not to speak to outsiders. But Poonam's father, Bhulli, is close to despair.


What can we do? We eat the m&d from the quarry when we feel hungry

Phulkari
Villager
"What can I say," he shrugs. "We can't afford to eat properly, so how can I afford to buy medicines for her?"

"I am really worried about my daughter, but I don't know what to do next. The poor need the government's help - if we had it, we wouldn't be in such a desperate state."

People like Bhulli and Suraj make their money filling lorries with bits of rock. It takes about eight hours for five men to fill one load. They carry the stones up from the quarry in plastic washing-up bowls balanced on their heads.

One of the women in the village, Phulkari, approaches to tell us about her little boy.

"My son's name is Suraj, and he's started eating m&d too," she says. "What can we do? We eat the m&d from the quarry when we feel hungry."

"Where do we get the money?" she asks. "We usually eat food only once a day. Last night we went to bed without eating anything at all."

Food protests

The World Bank estimates that one third of all the very poorest people in the world live in India, and stories like those from Ganne have now inspired a national Right To Food campaign.



There have been protest rallies in the heart of Delhi, as the Indian parliament prepares to debate a new Food Security Bill. It will dictate how many people in the country get access to massively subsidised food grain.

There's no doubt that India should be able to afford to feed its people. But the devil is in the detail.

"It'll only cost the government about 1.2% of GDP to universalize a system of giving food for all, cheap food for all," says Kavitha Srivastava, the national coordinator of the Right to Food campaign.

"They can do it, if they have the political will. It's prioritising - where do you want to put the money?"

"We think it should go in building people's nutrition levels. You can't have a country which is weak, which is hungry, which is anaemic. How can you have a nation like this?"

Now the government seems to be prepared to accept a new way of defining poverty, which will increase the number of people below the poverty line by more than 100 million to about 372 million.


If you simply throw money at this problem...you'll have to throw four times the amount to get the result you want. And the government of India can't afford that.

Dr Kaushik Basu
Finance ministry economic advisor
If international poverty standards were used, the number would be much higher still - and some Indian economists believe it should be.

But whichever figure is used, the poverty line feels like a rather fictitious divide because feeding more than a billion people is a massive logistical exercise. Vast quantities of food provided by the state go missing every day because of corruption and theft.

"Food ought to be a right," says Dr Kaushik Basu, the Chief Economic Advisor at India's Ministry of Finance. "And I believe this is a movement in the correct direction."

"But what worries me at times is that we're being too glib and quick about the delivery mechanism."

Official estimates are that right across the country 75% of subsidised grain does not make it to the intended target in villages like Ganne.

"So if you simply throw money at this problem, you'll have to throw four times the amount to get the result you want," says Dr Basu. "And the government of India can't afford that. The budget will go bust."

In other words, the delivery system needs to be reformed as well - and corrupt local officials need to be taken to task. There is a long way to go.

Daunting challenge

Jean Dreze, a highly respected Belgian-born academic who has worked in India for many years, points out that the current debate is only about the most basic levels of food intake.



There are fair price shops where people can buy subsidised foodgrain
"For a family of five to have reasonably good nutrition, nothing like meat or fish or any such thing, but just one egg per person per day, one banana, some dhal, some vegetables, a reasonably balanced diet - it would cost more than 200 rupees ($4.4; £3) per family per day," he says.

And that is far more than the amounts being discussed at the moment.

It is a sobering reminder that feeding India is a daunting challenge - the government knows it, and the prime minister says it must be a priority. But the Right to Food Campaign insists they are not doing enough.

The Indian economy continues to grow at impressive speed, and there is no shortage of food in the country. It just isn't reaching the people who need it most, on a consistent basis.

So in Ganne they continue to eat m&d. And without finding a solution here in India, the world will come nowhere near the targets it has set itself for reducing global poverty.
 
And this is a country that rather spends money on building its space program and nuclear weapons.
 
Tip of the iceberg, who knows what else goes on inside the heartlands.
 
india : the world's next superpower:D
india : the world's next super economy :D

incredible india:cool:
 
since we are on this topic, look what i found. Launch failure last month sent their payload, a comms satelite, into the sea. i wonder how many children can the money be used to feed?

<TABLE border=0><TBODY><TR><TD vAlign=top align=left width=355>[FONT=Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif]Rocket Failure A Major Setback for Indian Space Program
[FONT=Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif]By K.S. Jayaraman
Space News Staff Writer
[/FONT]
[/FONT][FONT=arial,helvetica]posted: 17 April 2010
03:53 am ET
[/FONT]
</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
BANGALORE, India — India's space program suffered a major setback Thursday when the maiden flight of a satellite launcher outfitted with the nation's first home-built cryogenic upper stage veered off course, sending its payload — the experimental GSAT-4 communications satellite — into the sea.
The Geostationary Satellite Launch Vehicle (GSLV) lifted off at 4:27 p.m. local time from the Satish Dhawan Space Centre on India's southeastern coast and reached an altitude of 65 kilometers before plunging downward. Telemetry was lost about 8 minutes into the flight that was expected to last 20 minutes until payload separation.
Indian Space Research Organization (ISRO) Chairman K. Radhakrishnan said in a televised statement that the first two stages performed well and that the rocket's cryogenic third stage also might have fired, but that the launch was done in by a failure of the upper stage's two vernier control motors to ignite. However, at a subsequent press conference, Radhakrishnan said it was not certain that the rocket's upper-stage engine fired during the ill-fated flight.
"A detailed failure analysis will be carried out," Radhakrishnan said. "We will put all efforts to ensure that the next flight with the indigenous cryogenic engine takes place within a year."
ISRO has spent 3.36 billion rupees ($76 million) over the last 17 years developing a domestic alternative to the Russian-built cryogenic upper stage used on the GSLV's five flights since 2001.
ISRO began its program to develop and build its own cryogenic engine in 1993 after Russia — under pressure from Washington — refused to transfer the technology.
The April 15 launch failure is likely to impact the proposed 2012 launch of the Chandrayaan-2 lunar orbiter mission and planned communication satellite launches.
The cryogenic stage was built at ISRO's Liquid Propulsion Systems Centre in the southern state of Tamil Nadu. Nambi Narayanan, a former head of the center who was involved in the development of the cryogenic engine told Space News that the likely cause of failure is an explosion that can occur during a so-called hard start when a rich mixture of fuel and oxidizer is suddenly ignited in the vacuum of space. While the cryogenic engine had been extensively tested and reviewed by experts within and outside ISRO it was not tested in conditions simulating high altitude, he said.
The GSAT-4 satellite that fell into the Indian Ocean carried a Ka-band transponder and a payload for a GPS-aided navigation system for civil aviation.
The failed GSLV launch originally was intended to carry the Tel Aviv University Ultraviolet Explorer (TAUVEX) space telescope under a 2003 agreement between ISRO and the Israel Space Agency, but was subsequently manifested for a later GSLV flight.
"With hindsight I am obviously relieved that it (TAUVEX) remained safely on the ground," Noah Brosch, principal investigator for the mission told Space News in an e-mail. "I have no idea when the alternative launch will happen; I understand that this is being discussed by the Indian Space Research Organization and by the Israel Space Agency. From my part, and on behalf of my scientist colleagues, I certainly hope that the launch will take place shortly so that the Indian and Israeli astronomical communities would benefit from the data gathered by TAUVEX."
Brosch said that he and his TAUVEX colleagues watched the launch on their computers. "We prayed for a successful launch but instead saw the launch failure as it happened. We understand that such happenings are encountered by every nation that develops launchers and satellites in the early stages of a program and are to be expected."

 
Napoleon once said that religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich. In a county like India, think it is very true...
 
Wouldn't it be better to eat grass?
I'm serious, at least the grass can be digestible in bits and provide some nutrition.
 
Eating m&d's just for dessert. They eat shit for the main meal.

india: the world's biggest democractic fuck-up
:D
 
I thot you guys pulled up some old news article but checked and found that article is dated May 15 2010!!!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/8682558.stm

That is what I have been saying - where are the voices of these people since India keeps saying they are world's largest democracy? Who cares about democracy if you cannot even afford or want to feed the poor.

I think at the very basic, a gov should feed the poor, offer basic medical, clean water and schooling. Central Gov should dispacth an offical to see what is happening. If this is due to officials siphoning aid then the officials should be shot.

In 3rd world countries there is bound to be corruption/leakage. But some of the funds must reach intended target. So very sad. Some of it has to do with poor infrastructure. By the time the food reaches the intended target it would have rotted away.

Perhaps this has to do with the Hindu caste system. In the caste system, certain caste are looked upon as worse than animals. A child is brought up to know not to touch or mix with certain people because they are untouchables (dalits). This child will growing up treating these people as stray animals.
 
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Wouldn't it be better to eat grass?
I'm serious, at least the grass can be digestible in bits and provide some nutrition.

Think about it - no electricty, over population - suspect that all vegetation has been stipped bare for firewood. Once the trees go, the soil cannot retain miosture and when it rains top soil kena washed away.
 
since we are on this topic, look what i found. Launch failure last month sent their payload, a comms satelite, into the sea. i wonder how many children can the money be used to feed?

<TABLE border=0><TBODY><TR><TD vAlign=top align=left width=355>[FONT=Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif]Rocket Failure A Major Setback for Indian Space Program
[FONT=Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif]By K.S. Jayaraman
Space News Staff Writer
[/FONT]
[/FONT][FONT=arial,helvetica]posted: 17 April 2010
03:53 am ET
[/FONT]
</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
BANGALORE, India — India's space program suffered a major setback Thursday when the maiden flight of a satellite launcher outfitted with the nation's first home-built cryogenic upper stage veered off course, sending its payload — the experimental GSAT-4 communications satellite — into the sea.
The Geostationary Satellite Launch Vehicle (GSLV) lifted off at 4:27 p.m. local time from the Satish Dhawan Space Centre on India's southeastern coast and reached an altitude of 65 kilometers before plunging downward. Telemetry was lost about 8 minutes into the flight that was expected to last 20 minutes until payload separation.
Indian Space Research Organization (ISRO) Chairman K. Radhakrishnan said in a televised statement that the first two stages performed well and that the rocket's cryogenic third stage also might have fired, but that the launch was done in by a failure of the upper stage's two vernier control motors to ignite. However, at a subsequent press conference, Radhakrishnan said it was not certain that the rocket's upper-stage engine fired during the ill-fated flight.
"A detailed failure analysis will be carried out," Radhakrishnan said. "We will put all efforts to ensure that the next flight with the indigenous cryogenic engine takes place within a year."
ISRO has spent 3.36 billion rupees ($76 million) over the last 17 years developing a domestic alternative to the Russian-built cryogenic upper stage used on the GSLV's five flights since 2001.
ISRO began its program to develop and build its own cryogenic engine in 1993 after Russia — under pressure from Washington — refused to transfer the technology.
The April 15 launch failure is likely to impact the proposed 2012 launch of the Chandrayaan-2 lunar orbiter mission and planned communication satellite launches.
The cryogenic stage was built at ISRO's Liquid Propulsion Systems Centre in the southern state of Tamil Nadu. Nambi Narayanan, a former head of the center who was involved in the development of the cryogenic engine told Space News that the likely cause of failure is an explosion that can occur during a so-called hard start when a rich mixture of fuel and oxidizer is suddenly ignited in the vacuum of space. While the cryogenic engine had been extensively tested and reviewed by experts within and outside ISRO it was not tested in conditions simulating high altitude, he said.
The GSAT-4 satellite that fell into the Indian Ocean carried a Ka-band transponder and a payload for a GPS-aided navigation system for civil aviation.
The failed GSLV launch originally was intended to carry the Tel Aviv University Ultraviolet Explorer (TAUVEX) space telescope under a 2003 agreement between ISRO and the Israel Space Agency, but was subsequently manifested for a later GSLV flight.
"With hindsight I am obviously relieved that it (TAUVEX) remained safely on the ground," Noah Brosch, principal investigator for the mission told Space News in an e-mail. "I have no idea when the alternative launch will happen; I understand that this is being discussed by the Indian Space Research Organization and by the Israel Space Agency. From my part, and on behalf of my scientist colleagues, I certainly hope that the launch will take place shortly so that the Indian and Israeli astronomical communities would benefit from the data gathered by TAUVEX."
Brosch said that he and his TAUVEX colleagues watched the launch on their computers. "We prayed for a successful launch but instead saw the launch failure as it happened. We understand that such happenings are encountered by every nation that develops launchers and satellites in the early stages of a program and are to be expected."




the biggest joke is that these kelings still want to compare themselves with china despite all their shortcomings and failures they still refuse to admit them.
 
the biggest joke is that these kelings still want to compare themselves with china despite all their shortcomings and failures they still refuse to admit them.

I suspect if should there be such incidences, just response from overseas Chinese alone will be in the billions of $$. But of course Beijing Premier will be on the ground promising an investigation on where the money went. Town officials will be quaking in boots as chances that if caught with graft it is firing squad for them.

Not to mention that internet within China will be abuzz.
 
Halimah will tell them, if m&d is so unpalatable, eat fish then...
 
One thing I notice about Chinese policy is worry about the ability to feed its pop. That is why they imposed the draconian 1 child policy. They also keep track of land used for agriculture and there has been lots of issues with land used for prop development. So they are talking about leasing millions of acres of land in neighboring country for agricultural needs. But it makes sense - a responsibility of Gov to to make sure that its population does not go hungry.

http://www.eurasianet.org/departments/insight/articles/eav020410.shtml
 
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