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Their spiral into the streets

metalslug

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http://www.asiaone.com/Business/My+Money/Property/Story/A1Story20090816-161380.html

Mon, Aug 17, 2009
The New Paper

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Their spiral into the streets

RISING property prices have a way of blinding you to stark realities like affordability.

Just ask Mr Mohamad Rafi and Madam SBagam.

Their stories are similar - they bought HDB flats they couldn't afford and when they fell behind on payments, they made poor decisions, sometimes based on wrong advice.

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They claimed that housing agents told them to sell their flats and pocket the profit, then get rental flats.

But HDB rules do not allow someone who sold a flat in the open market to get a rental flat until 30 months after the sale.

Increasing demand for rental flats also means they have to join a queue, says HDB.

Meanwhile, they run out of money and end up homeless.

The problem has raised concern in the Malay-Muslim community, with the Minister for Muslim Affairs, Mr Yaacob Ibrahim, recently mentioning a need for the Malay community to exercise financial prudence.

He said last month: 'There is enough evidence to suggest that the Malay community is overstretched.

'They have extended themselves in terms of credit, buying homes beyond their means... there is a downward spiral effect.'

Mr Mohamad Rafi used to earn $2,800 a month as a forklift driver. He didn't get any CPF contribution, had little savings, but the 30-year old newlywed didn't think twice before buying a four-room flat for $244,000 in Clementi in the open market.

He used $29,000 from his CPF savings from his earlier jobs and took a HDB loan, repaying $900 a month.

That was in 2000 and the economy was booming.

But, as the economy slowed, he was retrenched after his company went bust in 2004. He managed to get another job as a forklift driver, but at just $1,200 a month (without CPF contribution).

By then, he and his homemaker wife had two children.

As his debts spiralled out of control, his HDB repayments dwindled to irregular payments of $200-$400.

'There was no way I could afford the flat anymore,' he said.

Within three years, he ran up arrears of $20,000. After repeated reminders, HDB sent him an acquisition letter in 2007 along with a court order.

He was told that if he wanted to keep his flat, he had to pay up half of his arrears.

'Where to find $10,000 like that?' he said.

Grace period

Desperate, he sought the advice of a property agent friend who told him that he could seek an MP's help to ask for a grace period.

He was granted 10 months' grace and was advised by his friend to sell his flat in the open market.

At end 2007, he sold his flat at a loss of $19,000 and had hardly anything left after settling his arrears.

With no money and no home, two children and his wife pregnant with their third child, he was at his wits' end.

His parents' flat in Bukit Panjang had been sublet, he said. So the family headed to Hawaii Hostel in the Bencoolen area where they paid $36 a day for a simple air-con room and free breakfast.

The family of four squeezed into a double bed.

'It was so cramped, I was sleeping like a mummy,' he said.

In March last year, his parents asked him to move in with them after the subletting period ended.

But shifting to his parents' flat came with a hefty price.

He had to quit his job to take his 62-year-old mother to the National Kidney Foundation dialysis centre in Toa Payoh thrice a week

Why didn't he ask his wife to take his mother for dialysis? He claims she was busy looking after the children.

He also had to help his father, then 65, sell ice-cream on a pushcart, for which he got $15 to $25 a day.

After a family dispute in March this year, he left his parents' home. Now with a 5-month-old daughter, the family of five had to put up at his father-in-law's rental flat in Bukit Merah.

With no income, he could not support his family and even took his children out of school.

His first daughter was in Primary 1 while his second was in kindergarten.

He returned to Hawaii Hostel last month but left after five days because he could not pay the bill.

For the past month, his family have been roaming the streets in the Bugis area in search of shelter.

They have spent nights outside Fu Lu Shou Complex, Sim Lim Tower, Sim Lim Square and Burlington Square.

On Wednesday night, they rested in the 24-hour McDonald's outlet in Bugis.

'People come to McDonald's to eat, but for us it is where we sleep,' he said.

He now works at the Thieves' Market in Sungei Road as a driver-cum-helper for one of the hawkers.

He now regrets buying his flat without anticipating that his financial situation could change.

Asked whether he felt ashamed, he said: 'What to do, it's our reality now.'

Nurul Asyikin Mohd Nasir, newsroom intern


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FROM BAD TO WORSE

2000:

Mr Mohamad buys 4-room flat in Clementi for $244,000. He was earning $2,800 a month and could afford $900 monthly HDB payments

2004:

Economy goes bad. His salary drops to $1,200. Can only make irregular payments of $200 to $400

2007:

After repeated reminders, HDB sends acquisition letter. He approaches MP for help and gets 10 months' grace

end 2007:

Mr Mohamad sells flat at $19,000 loss. Left with no cash after paying HDB, family stays in hostel

Mar 2008:

Moves to parents' home in Bukit Panjang. Mr Mohamad quits job to look after mother. Earns about $15 a day selling ice-cream

Mar 2009:

Leaves parents' home after dispute in March. Moved into in-laws' home. Left the home last month. Now living on the streets

This article was first published in The New Paper.
 

mscitw

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he should around amok, naked and start slashing peasants with a parang, that will give him a free stay at changi.

or perhaps declare jihad against HDB.
 

Goh Meng Seng

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The problem doesn't lie in him getting a flat he wasn't able to afford! Based on his salary back then, he only paid one third of his salary on housing. That is quite normal.

The problem lies in retrenchment, job displacement and lower pay jobs due mainly to influx of cheap foreign labour! He is facing such problem now not because of his bad judgment back then, but rather due to the inability to get similar pay for the similar job.

Goh Meng Seng
 

Goh Meng Seng

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Furthermore, in this case, it is unethical for HDB not helping them to get cheap rental flat.

The reason is simple. HDB knows exactly that they could not afford their flat anymore. The reason of them to accumulate such payment arrears and eventually selling off their flat is a clear indication that they sold their HDB flat NOT because they want to make profits out of it but basically because they could not afford the mortgage anymore.

Then we must ask, why did HDB refuse to provide them cheaper rental flat? They just "follow the book" and refuse to see the basic needs of this family?

HDB has been the greatest political success of PAP government in the earlier years whereby Singaporeans are provided at least a roof over their head. But it seems that now it is no longer the case. They would rather see people sleeping on the street or camping on beaches and such instead of providing those people who genuinely need cheaper rental house to keep their children under a roof!

What kind of government are we having now?

Goh Meng Seng
 

metalslug

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Corrupt Government...

Furthermore, in this case, it is unethical for HDB not helping them to get cheap rental flat.

The reason is simple. HDB knows exactly that they could not afford their flat anymore. The reason of them to accumulate such payment arrears and eventually selling off their flat is a clear indication that they sold their HDB flat NOT because they want to make profits out of it but basically because they could not afford the mortgage anymore.

Then we must ask, why did HDB refuse to provide them cheaper rental flat? They just "follow the book" and refuse to see the basic needs of this family?

HDB has been the greatest political success of PAP government in the earlier years whereby Singaporeans are provided at least a roof over their head. But it seems that now it is no longer the case. They would rather see people sleeping on the street or camping on beaches and such instead of providing those people who genuinely need cheaper rental house to keep their children under a roof!

What kind of government are we having now?

Goh Meng Seng
 

LonewolfAlfa

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this mat has only himself to blame for the situation he is in. earn so little still want to buy 4 room flat.

no money to pay installment, go and sell flat at a loss. it doesnt make any sense.

why dont he rent out 2 bedrooms at $400 each and use that money to pay for his installments. his whole family can still sleep in the master bedroom and he gets to keep his flat at the end of the day.
 

2lanu

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this mat has only himself to blame for the situation he is in. earn so little still want to buy 4 room flat.

no money to pay installment, go and sell flat at a loss. it doesnt make any sense.

why dont he rent out 2 bedrooms at $400 each and use that money to pay for his installments. his whole family can still sleep in the master bedroom and he gets to keep his flat at the end of the day.

Ya, agree with your point. He is badly advise by agent and friends. But I am surprised that forklift driver can earn $2800 at the age of 21. :rolleyes:
 

halsey02

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Furthermore, in this case, it is unethical for HDB not helping them to get cheap rental flat.

The reason is simple. HDB knows exactly that they could not afford their flat anymore. The reason of them to accumulate such payment arrears and eventually selling off their flat is a clear indication that they sold their HDB flat NOT because they want to make profits out of it but basically because they could not afford the mortgage anymore.

Then we must ask, why did HDB refuse to provide them cheaper rental flat? They just "follow the book" and refuse to see the basic needs of this family?

HDB has been the greatest political success of PAP government in the earlier years whereby Singaporeans are provided at least a roof over their head. But it seems that now it is no longer the case. They would rather see people sleeping on the street or camping on beaches and such instead of providing those people who genuinely need cheaper rental house to keep their children under a roof!

What kind of government are we having now?

Goh Meng Seng

I think you already know the answer to the question, you re asking!? I believe during your tenure with a certain opposition party, you would have seen a fair share of people like that; and referred them to HDB, PUB...etc.

What would the respond be like?, they are not government bodies!...private companies...:rolleyes:

You have to be rich, have connections & be a member to survive in SINgapore....and you ask, what kind of government are we having now?

I think in your heart & mind...YOU ALREADY KNEW!!, the kind that will ask you, ARE YOU A MEMBER?, for members have their privileges!!:biggrin:
 

wizard

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I think the picture and the stories bluff wan lah...


You never listen to National day speech meh..
 

LonewolfAlfa

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Ya, agree with your point. He is badly advise by agent and friends. But I am surprised that forklift driver can earn $2800 at the age of 21. :rolleyes:

he is not 21.

Mr Mohamad Rafi used to earn $2,800 a month as a forklift driver. He didn't get any CPF contribution, had little savings, but the 30-year old newlywed didn't think twice before buying a four-room flat for $244,000 in Clementi in the open market.

i'm pretty sure he would have known he was going to lose money if he sold the flat. the flat is 7 years old, he could have also applied to hdb for permission to sublet out his whole flat. then can stay rent free at his parents flat and no need to work somemore collect $.
 
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