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The Guise Of National Service?

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Andy Tang
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National Service is a rite of passage for all Singaporean males, and the controversial issue of conscription has never been far from Singaporean minds. For a long period the defence of national security has been invoked to justify conscription.

However, growing shifts in official stance from the original "national defence" argument to the more current "common NS experience to build a more cohesive society" argument has increased suspicion as to whether NS is just a guise for another social engineering tool in the Government's arsenal.

Under the argument of defending of national security and protection of secrets, the Singapore Armed Forces (SAF) has made use of the SAF Act, which governs all NSmen, to silence any opposition or criticism. There have been reported cases of servicemen being forced to remove blog entries, and even entire blogs, because of alleged violations of the Act.

Disciplinary action have been taken against these "offending" entries. A deeper look at cases reveal disturbing parallels between the use of libel lawsuits to silence political opposition and the use of disciplinary actions to silence criticism from its own servicemen. Singapore is known for its use of its libel laws to silence political oppositions, and has come under heavy criticism from international bodies like the International Bar Association and Amnesty International.

Servicemen are being taken to task for writing critical entries on the Internet about the Ministry of Defence (MINDEF) and the SAF. Some have spoken up against the censure but many more have chosen to remain silent for fear of further reprisal.

The double standard of selective punishment points to the undeniable fact that MINDEF is only interested in punishing servicemen who criticise SAF but ignore those that do not paint a negative picture of the organisation even the complimentary ones still violate the Official Secrets Act (OSA). A look at many online blogs and networking sites reveal many pictures taken of SAF camps and/or their activities.

According to the OSA, the revelation of SAF activities is a threat to the nation's security and is a punishable offence. However, MINDEF turns a blind eye to all these, focusing instead on warning bloggers about negative postings and punishing those that they can find when many of these blogs or entries did not reveal any security-related information.

This leads to several questions. Is MINDEF and SAF allowed to violate international laws and rights by having laws and punishing servicemen for having negative or critical views of the organisation? In this developed world, which organisation punishes its own people for holding dissenting views?

Given that MINDEF and SAF are public organisations, what right do they have to control what the public thinks about them? On the contrary, should they not be subjected to even greater public scrutiny and criticism given that they take up the biggest portion of the national budget?

By silencing the opposition and servicemen, is the Government trying to censor questions about the real intent of NS in today's Singapore? Are the authorities bent on keeping out discussion on whether NS exists solely for national defence or does it exist to serve a "greater" purpose? More broadly, is NS being used to build a nation of followers rather than thinkers, a society of compliant and unquestioning Singaporeans? Is NS a Government tool to perpetuate a climate of fear in our youths?

MINDEF and SAF have come a long way since 1967. Cover-ups that were common in the past are increasingly not accepted by Singaporeans who demand a safer training environment for their sons. It is time that MINDEF and SAF examine their roles in Singapore today, and re-evaluate their policies of banning servicemen from voicing out criticisms publicly.

The notion of "dirty linen should not be washed in public" should be discarded. If the Government has nothing to hide and everything is above board why fear criticism, especially from their own people?

Public accountability should of paramount importance when it comes to asking citizens to risk their safety and lives in defending the country, and spending huge amounts of the public's money. In this regard, draconian bans and punishment on servicemen airing their views in public should be removed.
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of course it is social engineering

90% of time spend on doing non combat stuff
and even the combat are wayang

if they really want to make combat ready NS men

they should send them to middle east, africa and all the trouble spot in the world
to gain combat experience

as it is , basically NS and reservist is fxxking waste of time
 
watch out for andy tang. He is next mp or even next PM. what he say make more sense than ten years of useless opposition and PAP useless gov.
 
Singapore should move to a all voluntary professional army. For dirty jobs, engage the service of Blackwater :D
 
I have been a long-time opponent of NS. It is clearly a tool to exact obedience out of hot-blooded young males, who otherwise will find a 'noble cause' to vent out their idealism, namely - democracy. The consequences of this 'ball-snipping' can be seen in all our male adults, who have lost the guts to fight for anything they believe in.

Guys also come out to work very late compared to other developed cuntries. In the US, you'll graduate at 21 and can establish a career at 25. By 30 you'd be living it up. In sinkapore, you graduate at 26 and at 30 may still be struggling and living with parents!
 
I have been a long-time opponent of NS. It is clearly a tool to exact obedience out of hot-blooded young males, who otherwise will find a 'noble cause' to vent out their idealism, namely - democracy. The consequences of this 'ball-snipping' can be seen in all our male adults, who have lost the guts to fight for anything they believe in.

Guys also come out to work very late compared to other developed cuntries. In the US, you'll graduate at 21 and can establish a career at 25. By 30 you'd be living it up. In sinkapore, you graduate at 26 and at 30 may still be struggling and living with parents!


It is a slavery system, all male Singaporeans are born into slavery; kindly look into the NS ACT!.

We did not volunteer for NS, we were born into slavery; in which we have no choice!:mad:
 
90% of time spend on doing non combat stuff
and even the combat are wayang

if they really want to make combat ready NS men

they should send them to middle east, africa and all the trouble spot in the world to gain combat experience

as it is , basically NS and reservist is fxxking waste of time

It may be a waste of time for most but not all. In fact with some soldiering skills, one is more "peaceful" than those that NOT trained.

As for staking my life for the country, it did not even cross my mind since the 1st day in that system.
 
I have been a long-time opponent of NS. It is clearly a tool to exact obedience out of hot-blooded young males, who otherwise will find a 'noble cause' to vent out their idealism, namely - democracy. The consequences of this 'ball-snipping' can be seen in all our male adults, who have lost the guts to fight for anything they believe in.

It's all in your mind, if you think your balls are being snipped in the process, it probably is.

Guys also come out to work very late compared to other developed cuntries. In the US, you'll graduate at 21 and can establish a career at 25. By 30 you'd be living it up. In sinkapore, you graduate at 26 and at 30 may still be struggling and living with parents!

Stop mention US, they are the one that messed up the world. Probably this people are mentioned are now sucking thumb or holding on expensive doodads that eating them alive.
 
It is a slavery system, all male Singaporeans are born into slavery; kindly look into the NS ACT!.

We did not volunteer for NS, we were born into slavery; in which we have no choice!:mad:

NS is for yourself! Whatever you learnt or trained there is for yourself! If you think on this path, you pick up useful skills rather than wasting time there.
 
Well , depends on how you see it. Some NSF just waste their time for 2 yrs there , pratically doing nothing but coffee breaks.

Some NSF like me got SIONG SIONG for 2 yrs. Walking and more walking. Looking at the brighter side , when we go for reservice , we have a good time together with our mates , which we have known since 18 yr old. Now i have already MRed , looking back , it a sweet time together with my mates........ but these yrs wasted shd have been put to better used.
 
MINDEF and SAF have come a long way since 1967. Cover-ups that were common in the past are increasingly not accepted by Singaporeans who demand a safer training environment for their sons. It is time that MINDEF and SAF examine their roles in Singapore today, and re-evaluate their policies of banning servicemen from voicing out criticisms publicly.

By restricting NSmen voices, they could just help themselves to as many million$$ they could wished for. And when war struck, those buggers would hid in the tunnel telling the NSmen to charge at enemies.:oIo:

The notion of "dirty linen should not be washed in public" should be discarded. If the Government has nothing to hide and everything is above board why fear criticism, especially from their own people?

They like it to be "confidential" or "top secret" not as the label meant. Anyone who serve it know there are actucally nothing in it!

Public accountability should of paramount importance when it comes to asking citizens to risk their safety and lives in defending the country, and spending huge amounts of the public's money. In this regard, draconian bans and punishment on servicemen airing their views in public should be removed.

Those regulars that are always training overseas are not the one to fight war at battlefront. And when you traced back, it ended up that NSmen( the citizen) are the one to fight it.

Can you imagine the citizen pay taxes to a nation, and force to train in it and fight war if it really happen. What those regulars doing will be coordinating, giving their "valuable experience" to NSmen to attack?

It dun make cow sense, rite?
 
National Service is a rite of passage for all Singaporean males, and the controversial issue of conscription has never been far from Singaporean minds. For a long period the defence of national security has been invoked to justify conscription.

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NS is for yourself! Whatever you learnt or trained there is for yourself! If you think on this path, you pick up useful skills rather than wasting time there.

At least you will learn how to use a rifle.
 
SAF is more concern that their rifle is clean for LRI inspection !
 
>>>> It is clearly a tool to exact obedience out of hot-blooded young males, who otherwise will find a 'noble cause' to vent out their idealism, namely - democracy. The consequences of this 'ball-snipping' can be seen in all our male adults, who have lost the guts to fight for anything they believe in. <<<<

true, I ORDed in 1996. haven't done a single 2wk ICT at all till now.
and sometimes I think back those days when you kena tekan at the leisure of some of those bloody fucking bastards in the unit. (not referring toBMT here), I grow to hate the SAF and the PAP even more. SAF is simply an entity and a tool of the SAF. its rage, anger, hatred and vengeance.

its simple. they tekan you and abused you. now during ICT, you do it back to them. fuck those regulars back, abused, misused and damage SAF property, equipment and waste their resources.

A fren was recently doing ICT at Tengah Airbase last month. they landed and took off the planes on LCK road. the last vip to arrive was Teo Chee Bye. everyone in there was saying...the BASTARD , that BASTARD, BASTARD come liao.
 
I wonder how many millions are wasted every year from all the tit-for-tat that's going on?

egs:
NSF use sponsored medical policy to have big operation
Nsmen spoiling equipment to vent their frustrations
Regulars waste time and resources to tekan NSFs
Too many regulars employed just to order NSFs around

No wonder we need $10 billion in our defense budget!!

true, I ORDed in 1996. haven't done a single 2wk ICT at all till now.
and sometimes I think back those days when you kena tekan at the leisure of some of those bloody fucking bastards in the unit. (not referring toBMT here), I grow to hate the SAF and the PAP even more. SAF is simply an entity and a tool of the SAF. its rage, anger, hatred and vengeance.

its simple. they tekan you and abused you. now during ICT, you do it back to them. fuck those regulars back, abused, misused and damage SAF property, equipment and waste their resources.

A fren was recently doing ICT at Tengah Airbase last month. they landed and took off the planes on LCK road. the last vip to arrive was Teo Chee Bye. everyone in there was saying...the BASTARD , that BASTARD, BASTARD come liao.
 
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