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Thai troubles is far from over, Thug-Sin won't call off his dogs

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This is very premature for stability to be expected.

A comparison though not apple to apple will the that of Baghdad when moron Bush claimed VICTORY. Saddam (Thug-Sin) still on the run. Supporters only just beginning to fight on their owns. Republican Guards (Red Shirts) had just lost their regimental grounds, but that will only mean little. They will go guerrilla & that's when show will only begin. The show title is CIVIL WAR.

:rolleyes::eek:

The Red / Yellow shirts armies are alike Shi'a & Sunni of Iraq, the Thai Royal army will be alike Bush's GIs. So Abhisit better be smarter than Bush. I really hope so.

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[FONT=仿宋_GB2312] 5月21日,在曼谷本盖地区,几名市民骑摩托车经过冲突后的街道。据曼谷急救机构21日发布的统计数字,泰国军队与“红衫军”集会者14日至19日的冲突共造成52人死亡、407人受伤。  新华社记者史先振摄 [/FONT]
阿披实政府19日对盘踞在曼谷市中心的“红衫军”采取了“清场”行动,以武力方式强迫“红衫军”基本结束了两个多月的集会示威。“红衫军”与政府的尖锐对峙暂告结束,但泰国的政治危机和社会分裂会因此结束吗?对此,我们特邀专家进行深度分析。 ——编者
“散伙”只是暂时 “投案”反将一军
问:泰国军方19日武力驱散示威者,“红衫军”4名领导人随即向警方“投案”,呼吁追随者们结束示威。这是否意味着“红衫军”的失败?泰国这一轮的动荡局势结束了吗?
答:根据目前局势判断,泰国并没有“天下太平”。大部分抗议者散开以及“红衫军”领导人“投案”,只是反独联以退为进、以守为攻的策略。
阿披实政府冻结了给“红衫军”示威行动提供财政支持的106个银行账户是导致示威结束最主要的原因。此外,地处东南亚的泰国进入夏季后天气更酷热,届 时,庞大的“红衫军”抗议队伍的喝水、洗澡、如厕都会成为大问题。就算军队不“清场”,这么多人在一起吃喝拉撒,也很有可能发生疫病。这些因素都宣告了这 一轮示威的结束。而借由军队武力“清场”而退,“红衫军”为再次发动斗争保留了实力。
至于领导人“投案”,可以看作是反将了阿披实一军。首先,“红衫军”领导人自首并呼吁追随者结束示威的举动会被更多人看作是一种负责任的行动,与命令军队 清场而造成数十人伤亡的阿披实形成对比,从而占领舆论制高点。此外,当年支持阿披实的“黄衫军”领导人也是在占领机场等要地后,先自首随后被假释。如今 “红衫军”领导人采取了相同的行动,阿披实政府如何处理这些“敌对分子”,成为众人瞩目的焦点。一旦有所偏差,可能成为引发下一轮大规模示威的导火索。
虽说政府宣布驱逐红衫军行动已经结束,但是“红衫军”还有几千人聚集在拉差巴颂商业区闹事。更有甚者,在这两个月中,“红衫军”中出现了以刚刚死去的萨瓦 滴蓬为代表的极端人员。他们会不会因为萨瓦滴蓬之死而采取“准恐怖主义”战略,以更极端的手段向政府宣战,还未可知。但可以确定,泰国这一轮的动荡局势只 是暂时平息。

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[FONT=仿宋_GB2312] 5月21日,在曼谷本盖地区,两名行人走过一排遭破坏的公用电话亭。 新华社记者史先振摄 [/FONT]
2 无法彻底改革 难获下层支持
问:在“红衫军”暂时退散的这段时间,阿披实政府会采取些什么措施呢?他会不会推出惠及下层民众的政策来削弱他信和“红衫军”的政治基础呢?
答:阿披实政府曾经在5月初提出的和解“路线图”中承认泰国乱局根源在于政治和经济的不公,也提出将考虑使社会更加公平公正,增加社会福利,扩大民众话语权的改革方案。
但是相比他信执政时期展开的一系列有利于农村经济发展的政策以及他推行的让泰国人民只需付30泰铢就可以看病的公共医疗政策,代表中产阶级精英利益的阿披实仓促之下所作出的承诺显得苍白无力。
3 军方力挺政府 不会上台执政
问:在两个月中,军方扮演着什么样的角色?如果未来局势进一步恶化,它又能发挥什么作用?会不会到最后像二战刚结束时那样,重新回到军政府掌权的时代呢?
答:军方在泰国政治生活中的作用早已被二战结束以来的泰国当代历史所证明,军人在长达半个多世纪里直接或间接的统治就占了近七分之六的时间。因此军方的立场很大程度上决定了泰国政局。
泰国军方的立场不言而喻,人们只要回想一下他信是怎样下台的事实就足以明了。正是2006年的军事政变,推翻了他信领导的政府,由此揭开了泰国延续至今的 政治动荡。在“红衫军”这次走上曼谷街头游行示威以来,军方是作为执行政府命令的工具和机器出现,只要局势不失控,军队仍将扮演目前的角色。
在未来,即便局势进一步恶化,军队也不太可能再像过去那样执掌政权。主要的原因如下:
一是经过上世纪90年代至今民主化进程的发展,民主和法治的观念在泰国比以往任何时候都更为人们所接受,对军人掌权的容忍度大大降低,军方也不再可能像过 去那样能够稳固地长期执政,最近一次的军事政变就是一个例证。泰国军方在把他信拉下台后,为时不久就不得不还政于民。
二是整个国际社会不会允许泰国重新回到军政府掌权的时代。当今世界民主化浪潮一波接着一波,建立民主和公正的秩序是全球性的发展趋势,东盟的一些成员国也在进行民主转型,有的已经获得很大成功,泰国当然不能逆流而动。




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[FONT=仿宋_GB2312] 5月21日,在曼谷本盖地区,人们清理冲突后的街道。 新华社记者史先振摄 [/FONT]
4 城乡矛盾激化 新旧阶层交锋
问:这次泰国政局动荡比前几次来势更凶猛,持续时间更长。归根溯源,到底是由哪些因素引发的呢?
答:“红衫军”此番大闹曼谷的直接导火索,是泰国最高法院2月26日批准泰国政府没收“他信以不正当手段获得的”467亿泰铢。该判决是催化剂,其背后反映的是泰国国内不同阶层的利益之争。
第一,城乡矛盾凸显。他信执政时期,农民作为政治力量第一次参与国家政治生活。而此前,农民在议会中没有自己的代表,很难通过后者表达意愿。泰国农民在政 治上的影响力来自众多的人数以及对城市垄断财富与资源的不满。亲他信势力的根基在农村,农民希望其继续为他们代言。同时,他信执政时的政策是通过克扣城市 财政支持农民,触犯了中产阶级利益,后者反对国家过分中央集权和城市经济失控的发展趋势,要求社会更公平、在政府部门谋职更容易,以及更严厉地管制滥用职 权。城乡对立激化了社会各阶层之间的矛盾。
第二,既得利益集团和新兴产业受益集团矛盾激烈。他信及亲他信力量中的主要人员都是经济全球化的受益者,以他信为例,他因从事电信业而发家。以他信及亲他 信力量为代表的新兴产业受益集团要求融入经济全球化进程,实行为新兴企业和产业铺路的政策,而夕阳产业在这一政策下必然走向衰亡,因而触犯了既得利益集团 的利益。既得利益集团还包括中央官僚机构等重量级人物和国家强力机构在内。新兴产业受益集团向既得利益集团发起的这场挑战,使泰国社会各种矛盾交织在一 起。
第三,民主政治在泰国还未完全建立,民主制度尚不健全。在泰国,由于军人曾长期执政,民主体制建立的过程充满了波折和斗争,民主政治未实现制度化,街头示 威随时可推翻选举产生的政府,这对泰国民主政治的发展产生了负面影响。特别是自2006年开始的前3次示威,先后推倒3届政府,且打击的都是他信及亲他信 的力量,使其想通过选举重新执政的路径受阻,亲他信势力自然选择走上街头,以对手之方式达到同样的目的。泰国要走出当前困境,需要进一步深化民主政治,建 立和健全民主制度。
总而言之,这场冲突是泰国社会不同阶层的激烈斗争所致,也是他信下台以来泰国社会多次冲突的延续。



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[FONT=仿宋_GB2312] 5月21日,在曼谷本盖地区,一名当地居民清理自家门前的垃圾。新华社记者史先振摄 [/FONT]
5 泰国未来政局 陷入长期动荡
问:泰国未来的政治局势走向如何?反独联和政府会不会做出实质性让步,使问题得到最终解决?
答:从目前趋势来看,泰国政局将陷入长期动荡,理由是:
第一,城乡矛盾不可能在短期内解决。泰国城市化率30%,经济年增长率9%,人均国内生产总值为3700多美元。但东北部有2000万贫困人口,东部有 1000万贫困人口,绝大多数是农民,是“红衫军”的主力。曼谷及周边地区有1000万人是中产阶级,每月收入达6000泰铢,为其他人收入的3倍。经济 收入的差异是城乡矛盾的主要根源,只有消除了城乡经济差异才能彻底平息社会动荡,而这在近期内难以消除。
第二,泰国的民主化进程仍处于初期阶段,民主政治的建立非一朝一夕就能完成,尚需时日。
第三,只要泰国仍实行选票选举,亲他信的力量就能继续得到以农民为主的贫困人口及新兴产业受益集团的支持。另一方面,反他信力量则想使亲他信的力量在政坛 上彻底消失。泰国当前的态势是新兴产业受益集团和贫困的农民联合起来共同反对中产阶级和既得利益集团,由于双方力量旗鼓相当,除非上述的深层次矛盾得到彻 底解决,这场博弈将会长期进行下去。上海国际问题研究院亚太研究中心主任 马孆研究员
 

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Thailand’s problems far from being resolved

Will the blood of ‘martyrs’ fuel further violence?


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BANGKOK—Using brute force, the Thai government of Prime Minister Abhisit Vejiajiva showed the world what it could do this week.
It could crush a popular protest; lock up a movement’s leaders; and douse the flames of three dozen fires that burned down some of Bangkok’s brightest parts.
But as it turns out, that was the easy part.
Now comes the hard part, analysts say: can it mend the capital — and by extension, the country — back together?
Many doubt it.
“There is a persistent fantasy on the part of Thailand’s elite establishment, that if you can take out the ringleaders, everything will disappear,” says Duncan McCargo, professor of south-east Asian politics at the University of Leeds.
But the Abhisit government’s problems aren’t likely to vanish, he says.
The Red Shirts movement, which paralyzed Bangkok for more than two months with protests demanding fresh elections, is here to stay.
It is well organized, well-funded, has spread like wildfire over the past year and — most crucially — Thailand’s political landscape has not changed.
Societal grievances, particularly the gap between rich and poor, have gone unaddressed.
There’s a saying in Thailand that crystallizes the unfairness in day-to-day life: “Only the poor and stupid go to jail.”
Says McCargo, “Rifts in Thai society still exist.”
But there are other reasons too, to fear the future of Thailand, say observers.
After a bloody week in which dozens of Red Shirt supporters died, some analysts say the movement now has a fresh supply of martyrs — a strong motive for vengeance.
McCargo says he fears, “a new phase of random violence.”
Prospects for it were heightened last week by the assassination of Maj.-Gen. Khattiya Sawasdipol, also known as Saleh Daeng, who had defected to the Red Shirts.
A folk hero with a national following, his death by a sniper’s bullet to the head, enraged followers including many paramilitary soldiers under his command.
They can be expected to continue to throw their support – and guns – behind the Red movement.
Hence, to avoid more mayhem, a real political settlement must emerge soon – one that might include a power-sharing arrangement, says McCargo.
Simply calling new elections won’t do, he says.
One short year ago many thought the Red Shirts’ movement was dead after the Abhisit government put down an earlier revolt in April 2009.
But then, last year, a completely reorganized version of the Red Shirts movement emerged from the ashes.
It had a well-defined leadership, a formal membership system, a series of detailed workshops on democracy that toured the country, and it started to assemble its own media outlets to make sure it got its political message across.
Sometimes the democracy workshops were televised to vast areas to bring in huge audiences.
Those workshops rattled the government and with good reason: about 20,000 attended actual classes according to Red Shirt officials who spoke to the Star this week. Countless thousands more watched on television.
That kind of organization helped poor, common people to better articulate their demands.
But a government adviser told the Star this week that citizens weren’t learning about democratic ideals, but straight propaganda from former Prime Minister Thaksin Shinawatra, he said.
But the training session were key in the Red revival.
Two analysts who noted the rebirth of the Red Shirts early were Canadians Nelson Rand and Chandler Vandergrift. They published a trenchant analysis earlier this year on the resurrection of the movement and the likelihood of coming clashes.
They noted that the movement would seek a “decisive” mass rally in 2010 in Bangkok. And if that rally were to be put down violently by the government, they wrote, an armed revolt could spread to the countryside.
Last year credible reports emerged of large arms shipments coming into the country.
The authors noted that leaders of the Red Shirts – also known as the United Front for Democracy Against Dictatorship – denied planning an “armed struggle.” But they acknowledged that the movement had “radical elements” within UDD’s broad tent who could use violence.
Former prime minister Thaksin Shinawatra, who supports the Red Shirts, has frequently warned of violence.
Thaksin, who was ousted in a military coup 2006, even sent a Twitter message to his followers at the beginning of this year, saying he had recently gone to a fortune teller and been informed that 2010 would be a year of violence.
Such predictions have a way of becoming self-fulfilling prophecies.
But worryingly, Thaksin again warned this week that no one should be surprised if violent and persistent urban warfare breaks out across Thailand in the aftermath of Wednesday’s bloody crackdown.
And yet it’s likely not Thaksin’s words that will be remembered by those who massed daily to hear speeches from the stage at the main protest site.
It’s more likely those of Nattawut Saikua, of the leaders now jailed.
Such speeches won’t fuel violence, but they’re certain to inspire perseverance among the common people. One speech now circulating on the Internet touched a chord with Thailand’s downtrodden and voiceless.
“We are the salt of the earth,” he said. “We are the people without privilege.”
Says McCargo, “The support base is still there. The sentiments are still there. And the issues and motivations have not changed.”
 
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