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Tension set to rise as church officials reject minister's call to drop 'Allah' usage

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Church officials reject minister’s call to drop ‘Allah’ usage

KUALA LUMPUR, Jan 11 — Church representatives here today rejected a minister’s call to drop the claim to use the word “Allah” in the Christian sense.

Minister in the Prime Minister’s Department Datuk Jamil Khir Baharom earlier today urged church leaders to adopt the same approach as a lay Sabah leader who reportedly said the word “Allah” should be reserved for Muslim use in Malaysia because they have been using it longest.

“Will we or the church, if we don’t use the word Allah, suddenly lose or increase followers in the Christian faith 10-fold?” Utusan Malaysia reported Datuk Clarence Bongkos Malakun, president of the Sabah Justice of the Peace Council, saying in a statement from Kota Kinabalu last night.

“It is time for us, the Christian community, particularly the Catholic make an evaluation based on the present situation for security and public peace and drop the word Allah to calm our Muslim brothers.

“Rather than insisting on the right to use the word Allah it is better if Catholics only use the word ‘Tuhan’ or ‘Tuhan Yang Maha Kuasa’,” said Bongkos Malukun.

He added that Christians in Malaysia should stick to the Federal Constitution and not follow those in Indonesia on the use of “Allah”.

Pastor Danil Raut, the president of the Sidang Injil Borneo (SIB) church in the peninsula, was highly critical of Bongkos Malukun’s statement and claimed it was not representative of the Christian community.

“He’s got the right to say his opinion but I definitely cannot agree with him,” Raut told The Malaysian Insider.

“So many people have been using the word before Merdeka. In the language of our people, the Lunbawang and Lundayeh, ‘Allah’ means God,” he added.

“This is stated in the Lundayeh Bible, not the Malay Bible,” he stressed.

Pastor Richard Samporoh agreed.

“I think his statement is very political,” Samporoh said. He noted that Bongkos Malukun used to be a state assemblyman and is a Christian but not a church minister and does not have the authority to speak for all Christians.

“Many people, including the politicians, have misunderstood the whole issue,” said Samporoh, who heads the SIB church in Shah Alam.

“We’re not demanding to use the word. We have been using it for almost 300 years. The case was only filed because of the ban from the Home Ministry,” he added.

Samporoh said he has been a pastor for over 30 years and the controversy only erupted recently, after the federal government banned the Catholic church from publishing the word “Allah” to refer to the Christian God in the Bahasa Malaysia section of its weekly paper.

Samporoh further claimed that there was an agreement between the federal government and the church in the 1980s that Christians be allowed to use the word in their worship.

“We can use the word ‘Allah’ in our Bible, but it cannot be sold in public bookstores,” he told The Malaysian Insider.

“I’m not very sure if there was a written agreement but it was during Musa Hitam’s time,” Samporoh replied when asked.

The Sabah-born pastor is also the adviser to the SIB church in the peninsula and strongly supports inter-faith dialogues.

“Understanding each other is the best way to resolve problems. I don’t think the Muslims understand what is going on,” he said.

Father Lawrence Andrew who edits the Catholic paper, Herald, was reluctant to comment on the issue.

“My official position is this: the case is in the courts. Let the court decide. I cannot comment on it,” he reponded when contacted.

But The Malaysian Insider understands that in the Roman Catholic church, only officials holding the rank of the bishop onwards have the authority to make decisions.

The Archbishop of Kuala Lumpur, Reverend Tan Sri Murphy Pakiam, who is the publisher of Herald, could not be reached for comment.

He is currently away in Johor for meeting of bishops with the Vatican’s representative who is based in Singapore.

Pakiam is also the president of the Malaysian Bishops Conference
 
Re: Tension set to rise as church officials reject minister's call to drop 'Allah' us

Word has been around for 300 years?

Court approved it...

Govt. rejected it?

Time to overthrow UMNO!!!

SGP Christian 1/3 dominated Parliament should declare war against this backward govt!

I am ready to sign up to fight against this crusade!! If God calls upon me!!

Give me command of 1 division of fierceless Christian army, we can go all the way to Ipoh in 1 week...harnessing the agression of Singaporeans build up over the years of PAP repression rule, and put them to productive use....FIRE!!!!

Let's give them HELL!

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Re: Tension set to rise as church officials reject minister's call to drop 'Allah' us

yes, christians should have their rights to use Allah,,,

the muslims should have the rights to treat those who claims Allah has a son as blasphemy and do what is right according to the koran,,,,

everyone should exercise their rights to their faiths and act accordingly,,,,

then the guy from PAP can supply funeral blankets,,,,,
 
Re: Tension set to rise as church officials reject minister's call to drop 'Allah' us

the arabs never make noise, those jokers up there make noise for what?
don't they know that they koran jiao is a edited version from the original bible by none other than maniac warlord/child rapist muhammad?
 
Re: Tension set to rise as church officials reject minister's call to drop 'Allah' us

Let's start a contest to guess what the Old Man will say if he was asked.
 
Re: Tension set to rise as church officials reject minister's call to drop 'Allah' us

let's send one of this baby to Najib the Bald headed Gorilla!!

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Re: Tension set to rise as church officials reject minister's call to drop 'Allah' us

ok thats enough. time to grow up sammyboys. to think this forum full of witty ppl should know better.

there is always that well known group behind these planned religion quarrel. and is always been that way in history to make lay ppl like us become racist and stupid religious nuts...alot of ppl was never given enough time to read both the two books.

easiest way to make ppl do stupid things in the name of community pressure.

these rich and powerful fuckers are....go google lah.:D
 
Re: Tension set to rise as church officials reject minister's call to drop 'Allah' us

The BN Minister should do his job and respect the court's decision. Why should the Christians kow-tow to the religious fanatics? Appeasement does not work, it only makes the bullies more demanding.

Not being allowed to use the word "ALLAH" is just poor excuse to bully. What would be next; no bell ringing, no new buildings to be built as churches etc etc?

Note that ISLAM is the newest religion. Christianity, Buddhism, Hinduism and a whole lot of others came before ISLAM. And what ARAB word have they been using for GOD before Prophet M came along?
 
Re: Tension set to rise as church officials reject minister's call to drop 'Allah' us

we bought lots of fancy military hardware from usa
we need to get missiles, bombs, spare parts and engine to keep our army , air force running.we made none of it.

if USA, obama does not approve our war, they stop selling the parts, our military machine will run out of ammo and fall apart.

therefore singapore will never be able to start any war.

we can only fight a defensive war and wait for USA task force to come and save us.

malaysian christian matter does not conside us.
 
Re: Tension set to rise as church officials reject minister's call to drop 'Allah' us

The funny thing abt this saga is that the Muslim clerics in Msia havent made much of a hoo-hah compared to the politicians, have they??? This is a big joke...
Yes it's true what Lentor said, the Arabs never make noise, why the Malays in Msia kick up a huge fuss???
Even the Christians in Indonesia use the word "Allah" to describe Jesus. And so far the Muslims there havent said anything... And that is a country that is a terrorist hotbed...
 
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