Tan Kin Lian in dangerous confrontation with govt

[Avantas]

By choosing to sing a different tune persistently to the government’s with no absolutely no support of any sort from anybody within the establishment, Tan Kin Lian runs the risk of heading on a collision course with them. In short, it is one man taking on the might of the entire establishment with its axillaries.

For the time-being, the establishment has been cautious not to rebuke him, but knowing how ruthless the PAP can be in demolishing their opponents who are a threat to their interests, real or imagined, their patience may be wearing thin in Tan’s latest manoeuver to outflank them.

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Tan Kin Lian is threading on increasingly dangerous grounds. The more prominent he becomes, the more the estabilshment appears to be inept and greater the embarrassment will be to the government which has not only been slow to react to the crisis in the first place, but has also shown itself to be completely clueless and lost.

Knowing how intolerant the PAP is of any public show of dissent, activism and civil disobedience in the form of protests, rallies and marches, he has already pushed the OB markers to its limits by organizing 4 consecutive protests at Hong Lim Park so far.

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After 20 years, most Singaporeans seem to have forgotten who is in control of the army, the police and the media. Mr Tan had better watched his back carefully for the signs are increasing that the authorities will not sit idly by and allow him to continue to run the show. Contrary to appearance, the PAP of today is essentially still the PAP of 1988.

Read full article here:

http://wayangparty.com/2008/10/31/i...ds-a-collision-course-with-the-establishment/

 

[Leongsam]

Contrary to appearance, the PAP of today is essentially still the PAP of 1988.

http://wayangparty.com/2008/10/31/i...ds-a-collision-course-with-the-establishment/

... which is still the PAP of 1963. The methods may have changed somewhat but the determination to stifle all dissent remains the same. After all, the same person still heads the goon squad. :p

 

[Mighty Megatron]

Doubt it. Personally I have a funny feeling he was given blessing to do what he is doing. Won't be surprised to see him become a MIW come next elections (I mean walkover).

 

[locky2ky]

Doubt it. Personally I have a funny feeling he was given blessing to do what he is doing. Won't be surprised to see him become a MIW come next elections (I mean walkover).

i think so too! it is all wayang by miw. toc is a miw website and he is an active member of toc.

 

[neddy]

I am wary of this TKL fellow. He is a long service PAP man who failed to become MP once because LKY thought he is not a "people person". He is definitely learning.

People who worked with him in NTUC Income know what kind of person he is.

Whatever TKL is trying to sell (PAP conspiracy or political opportunist), Singaporeans are in shits anyway.

 

[cleareyes]

i think so too! it is all wayang by miw. toc is a miw website and he is an active member of toc.

i find u guys rather funny

we have someone who was from the related establishment speaking up for the general masses and u guys r pouring scorms on what he is doing?

and how abt any of u guys do it instead?

 

[Wisely]

i think so too! it is all wayang by miw. toc is a miw website and he is an active member of toc.

I'm a regular reader of TOC. I don't know why you think this way but nobody in the right mind will start a blog to criticize itself. It's like saying Avantas is a WP agent or NotmySDP is started by SDP.

Unless PAP really has a screw gone far loose.

 

[The MilkMan]

so far,i think he is speaking the truth.
i do not think the government will take any action...he does not violate any of the rules or make any wild accusations.
at least after his speech,some banks are taking some actions.

 

[Harry Lee]

Govt not interested lah......he is not a threat

 

[locky2ky]

I'm a regular reader of TOC. I don't know why you think this way but nobody in the right mind will start a blog to criticize itself. It's like saying Avantas is a WP agent or NotmySDP is started by SDP.

Unless PAP really has a screw gone far loose.

then you are not wise enough!

 

[scroobal]

I'm a regular reader of TOC. I don't know why you think this way but nobody in the right mind will start a blog to criticize itself. It's like saying Avantas is a WP agent or NotmySDP is started by SDP.

Unless PAP really has a screw gone far loose.

Thats one of the reasons why one must read widely. Everyone of them in TOC have been with the PAP at one time or another. Tan Kin Lian has been with the PAP for nearly 30over years.

As you know that the PAP has always believed in pseudo effects in creating a sense of balance and competition. The NTUC was created and its has been a symbiotic relationship with the PAP. NTUC is a creation of the PAP. Did it occur to you how come unionised workers of Singapore end up "electing" a cabinet minister as the Secretary General of NTUC. How did that happen?

The first 2 presidential candidates were both asked to run by the Govt.That has never changed.

Why would fire breathing PAP stalwarts end up running a opposition "blog". Its called tokenism. You only touch on things that you can control and things that cannot flare up. It gives trhe impressions to foreigners and the simple minded Singaporeans that there is actually dissent.

Just look at Tan Eng Bock and our former speaker Tan Soo Khoon who used give hell to the cabinet ministers and they were more lethal than TOC. They were both from the PAP.

To me its a great tactical ploy as it sort of acts like an perception audit team that highlights the obvious flaws of the PAP and at the sametime receives kudos from simple minded singaporeans.

 

[lockeliberal]

Dear Scroobal

What would you say if P or K jeyaratnam both end up joining the opposition ?. I believe that TKL would have been a PAP member and perhaps even a Cadre. The question as always is where are the opposition to draw their leadership from ? The shrinking and oft arrested dissident base, or the conservative establishment which in itself has been penetrated to the nth degree by the PAP.




Locke

 

[madmansg]

Dear Scroobal

What would you say if P or K jeyaratnam both end up joining the opposition ?. I believe that TKL would have been a PAP member and perhaps even a Cadre. The question as always is where are the opposition to draw their leadership from ? The shrinking and oft arrested dissident base, or the conservative establishment which in itself has been penetrated to the nth degree by the PAP.




Locke
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you sound like tan kin lian category. Want to join PAP but not good enough so kenna rejected by them.

 

[cass888]

More likely Phllip Jeyatratnam will become the next PAP law or home affairs minister.

Dear Scroobal

What would you say if P or K jeyaratnam both end up joining the opposition ?. I believe that TKL would have been a PAP member and perhaps even a Cadre. The question as always is where are the opposition to draw their leadership from ? The shrinking and oft arrested dissident base, or the conservative establishment which in itself has been penetrated to the nth degree by the PAP.




Locke
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you sound like tan kin lian category. Want to join PAP but not good enough so kenna rejected by them.

 

[scroobal]

Dear Scroobal

What would you say if P or K jeyaratnam both end up joining the opposition ?. I believe that TKL would have been a PAP member and perhaps even a Cadre. The question as always is where are the opposition to draw their leadership from ? The shrinking and oft arrested dissident base, or the conservative establishment which in itself has been penetrated to the nth degree by the PAP.
Locke

The emergence of TOC and new campaign to rope the Indians tells me that their precint monitoring of the Gen Y is not showing the outcome that they want. Thats where our future lies. The new lot will not buy into the crap that you have be a scholar.

I think WP party's ability to attract young ones such as Glenda, GMS, Tilik must have taken them by surprise.

We should also not follow their agenda of leaderships. We should just aim for seats in parliament. In our game, it got to be irrigation pumbs rather than heat resistant tiles for discovery spaceship.

We got to work on backlash, on alterantive views and voices of the people.

 

[scroobal]

More likely Phllip Jeyatratnam will become the next PAP law or home affairs minister.

Never. I think they will not enter politics. Not sure about Marshall's kids.

 

[lockeliberal]

Dear Scroobal

The individuals u have named are I suspect nothing more than foot soldiers or at best parlilamentarians and I know many of them personally.
Barrack is in his fourties and Mc Same a mind blowing seventies. I am talking about recruiting leadership and in that regards for credible smart people to lead, the opposition will have to fish in the same pool as the PAP.

Seats in parliament well all I can say is that history has shown us that voters are very capable of throwing out opposition idiots they voted in after one election. No point winning it if you can't keep it.

The greatest threat to the PAP politically has not been any opposition party but rather the split from the PAP into the Barisan. In present day terms I would extend that into a split in the PAP and the conservative establishment which traditionally has supported the PAP by its silence, muted criticism and or active support




Locke

 

[Avantas]

TOC is a big, big wayang, a breeding ground for the brooding ST journalists and a hunting ground for future PAP members.

TOC is run by YPAP members or supporters or ex-establishment figures from top to bottom - Choo Zheng Xi is a grassroots leader, Andrew Loh was a staunch PM Lee supporter, Gerald Giam is from MFA, Koh Kai Jie is a YPAP member, you name it, you have it !

If you notice, TOC NEVER dares to criticize PAP directly or confront them like what Wayangparty is doing it. All it does is to give mild wayang rebuttals to attract readers.

Just look at wat wayangparty does, they state OPENLY they are against the PAP and the mainstream media, i must applaud them for their guts.

TOC ? Whine, whine and whine without ever achieving anything.

Check out this parody of TOC here:

www.theonlineshitizen.wordpress.com

then you are not wise enough!

 

[Avantas]

Hi bro,

That is an astute observation.

TOC has been rumored from the very beginning to be a PAP ruse to domninate cyberspace and in spite of their constant denials, it just won't go away.

Consider the following:

1. TOC is run mostly by ex-PAP or ex-establishment figures.

2. Who is maintaining TOC ?

3. Straits Times has been actively promoting TOC on a regular basis - why should they do so ?

4. TOC's Chief Editor Choo Zheng Xi writes a PAP MP's parliamentary speeches - now which PAP MP will allow an undergrad to write her speeches if he is NOT one of them ?

The gahman is worried that a Malaysiakini may emerge in Singapore to challenge the MSM, hence they set up TOC first to pre-empt it, very smart of them !

Thats one of the reasons why one must read widely. Everyone of them in TOC have been with the PAP at one time or another. Tan Kin Lian has been with the PAP for nearly 30over years.

As you know that the PAP has always believed in pseudo effects in creating a sense of balance and competition. The NTUC was created and its has been a symbiotic relationship with the PAP. NTUC is a creation of the PAP. Did it occur to you how come unionised workers of Singapore end up "electing" a cabinet minister as the Secretary General of NTUC. How did that happen?

The first 2 presidential candidates were both asked to run by the Govt.That has never changed.

Why would fire breathing PAP stalwarts end up running a opposition "blog". Its called tokenism. You only touch on things that you can control and things that cannot flare up. It gives trhe impressions to foreigners and the simple minded Singaporeans that there is actually dissent.

Just look at Tan Eng Bock and our former speaker Tan Soo Khoon who used give hell to the cabinet ministers and they were more lethal than TOC. They were both from the PAP.

To me its a great tactical ploy as it sort of acts like an perception audit team that highlights the obvious flaws of the PAP and at the sametime receives kudos from simple minded singaporeans.

 

[Avantas]

Hi Locke,

For once, I would have to agree with you.

But if PAP wanted to co-opt Tan K L, they would have done so a long time ago. Perhaps he attended one of their tea parties and failed the test.

Dear Scroobal

What would you say if P or K jeyaratnam both end up joining the opposition ?. I believe that TKL would have been a PAP member and perhaps even a Cadre. The question as always is where are the opposition to draw their leadership from ? The shrinking and oft arrested dissident base, or the conservative establishment which in itself has been penetrated to the nth degree by the PAP.




Locke