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Serious Study shows dramatic decline in effectiveness of all three COVID-19 vaccines over time

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Study shows dramatic decline in effectiveness of all three COVID-19 vaccines over time

As the Delta variant became the dominant strain of the coronavirus across the United States, all three COVID-19 vaccines available to Americans lost some of their protective power, with vaccine efficacy among a large group of veterans dropping between 35% and 85%, according to a new study.

Researchers who scoured the records of nearly 800,000 U.S. veterans found that in early March, just as the Delta variant was gaining a toehold across American communities, the three vaccines were roughly equal in their ability to prevent infections.

But over the next six months, that changed dramatically.

By the end of September, Moderna’s two-dose COVID-19 vaccine, measured as 89% effective in March, was only 58% effective.
The effectiveness of shots made by Pfizer and BioNTech, which also employed two doses, fell from 87% to 45% in the same period.

And most strikingly, the protective power of Johnson & Johnson’s single-dose vaccine plunged from 86% to just 13% over those six months.

The findings were published Thursday in the journal Science.
The three vaccines held up better in their ability to prevent COVID-19 deaths, but by July — as the Delta variant began to drive a three-month surge of infections and deaths — the shots’ effectiveness on that score also revealed wide gaps.

Among veterans 65 and older who were inoculated with the Moderna vaccine, those who developed a so-called breakthrough infection were 76% less likely to die of COVID-19 compared with unvaccinated veterans of the same age.

Older veterans who got the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine and subsequently experienced a breakthrough infection were 70% less likely to die than were their unvaccinated peers.

And when older vets who got a single jab of the J&J vaccine suffered a breakthrough infection, they were 52% less likely to die than their peers who didn’t get any shots.
For veterans younger than 65, the Pfizer-BioNTech and Moderna vaccines provided the best protection against a fatal case of COVID-19, at 84% and 82%, respectively. When younger veterans inoculated with the J&J vaccine suffered a breakthrough infection, they were 73% less likely to die of COVID-19 than were their unvaccinated peers.

Johnson & Johnson representatives did not immediately respond to requests to discuss the study’s findings.

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention has recommended booster shots for everyone who got the Johnson & Johnson vaccine at least two months earlier.

Boosters are also recommended six months after a second dose of the Moderna or Pfizer vaccines for everyone 65 and older; those with medical conditions that make them more vulnerable to a serious case of COVID-19; those who live in nursing homes or other group settings; and those who live or work in high-risk settings such as hospitals or prisons.

In addition, all people with compromised immune systems are advised to get a booster shot if it’s been at least 28 days since their vaccine took full effect.
With millions of vaccinated Americans pondering whether they need a boost, the new study offers the most comprehensive comparison yet of how the three vaccines have performed across the nation this year.

It tracked 780,225 veterans of the U.S. armed forces from Feb. 1 to Oct. 1. Close to 500,000 of them had been vaccinated, while just under 300,000 had not.

Hailing from across the country, all were cared for by the Department of Veterans Affairs’ unified system, which provides healthcare to 2.7% of the U.S. population. While the group under study was ethnically and racially diverse, the record-keeping that researchers relied upon was uniform.

Because these were veterans, the study population comprised six times as many men as women. And they skewed older: about 48% were 65 or older, 29% were between 50 and 64, and 24% were younger than 50.

Though older veterans were more likely to die than younger vets throughout the study period, the decline of the vaccines’ protection against illness and death was seen in both young and old.

The study was conducted by a team from the Public Health Institute in Oakland, the Veterans Affairs Medical Center in San Francisco, and the University of Texas Health Science Center.
Dr. Barbara Cohn, the study’s lead author, said in addition to its comparison of COVID-19 vaccines, the group’s analysis provides “a lens for making informed decisions around primary vaccination, booster shots, and other multiple layers of protection.” That includes mask mandates, coronavirus testing and other public health measures aimed at countering viral spread.

Strong evidence of the vaccines’ declining power should prompt even states and locales with highly vaccinated populations to consider retaining mask mandates, the authors said. And the findings strongly support the CDC’s recent recommendation that all recipients of the J&J vaccine get a booster.

The study concluded that the Delta variant, which drove a wave of infections and deaths across the country over the spring and summer, was probably the factor that most eroded the protection of vaccines.

Other researchers have found similar evidence of declining vaccine effectiveness. But they have suggested that the immune system’s defenses against SARS-CoV-2 simply fade with time, and that waning vaccine effectiveness would probably have been seen with or without the arrival of a new, more transmissible strain.
 
Perpetual biannual boosters for mRNA lovers. LOL!

How else to sell you perpetual booster shots? By the way it need not be mRNA, since Tiong vaccines are also allowed.
It's more profitable than selling Netflix or Disney+ subscriptions.
 

Immunity To COVID-19 Could Last Longer Than You'd Think​

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How the mRNA COVID-19 vaccine protects you



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All around the world, there seem to be signs that immunity to SARS-CoV-2, the coronavirus that causes the disease COVID-19, doesn't last very long after you're vaccinated.
Israel is now having one of the world's worst COVID-19 surges about five months after vaccinating a majority of its population. And in the U.S., health officials are recommending a booster shot eight months after the original vaccine course.
Highly Vaccinated Israel Is Seeing A Dramatic Surge In New COVID Cases. Here's Why

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So, how long does immunity last after two doses of the vaccine? Six months or so? And at that point, how much protection is left over?
It all depends on which type of immunity you're talking about, says immunologist Ali Ellebedy at Washington University in St. Louis. Six months after your vaccine, your body may be more ready to fight off the coronavirus than you might think.
"If you were vaccinated six months ago, your immune system has been training for six months — you are better ready to fight a COVID-19 infection," says Ellebedy.
A series of new studies, including two led by Ellebedy, suggests that mRNA vaccines like those from Pfizer-BioNTech and Moderna trigger the immune system to establish long-term protection against severe COVID-19 — protection that likely will last several years or even longer, Ellebedy says.
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To understand what he's talking about, let's say you received the second Moderna or Pfizer vaccine six months ago. Right away, your immune system got to work and began making antibodies.
These antibodies are a bit like archers outside the moat of a castle. They set up in the lining of your nose and throat, ready to shoot down (aka neutralize) any SARS-CoV-2 particles that try to enter the moat (aka your nasal tissue).
These antibodies can prevent an infection, says bioimmunologist Deepta Bhattacharya at the University of Arizona. They stop the virus from entering cells and setting up shop. They are the body's front-line defense.
But right after vaccination, this initial round of antibodies has a few problems. The antibodies are a bit wimpy. They're not that well trained at killing SARS-CoV-2, and they're not very durable, Bhattacharya says.
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About a month after the second mRNA shot, the number of antibodies in the blood reaches its peak level and then starts to decline. The antibodies themselves degrade and the cells that make them die, a study published in the journal Nature reported in June.
This happens with every vaccine, whether it's for COVID-19, the flu or measles, Bhattacharya says. "In every single immune response, there is a sharp rise in antibodies, a period of sharp decline, and then it starts to settle into a more stable nadir."
The media has largely focused on this decline of antibodies as the cause of "waning immunity." And it's true, Bhattacharya says, that this decline in antibodies, combined with the high potency of the delta variant, which began dominating many countries this year, is likely increasing the rate of infection in fully vaccinated people.
"If you get a big dose of delta, as the variant often gives, the virus can slip past the initial wall of antibodies," he says. "So I think we may be seeing some signs of that. But the [level of breakthrough infections] is probably not as dramatic as I think it's being made out to be."
Why? Because the media has largely overlooked several key facts about the antibodies present eight months after the vaccine. For starters, they're more powerful than the original ones triggered by the vaccine, Bhattacharya says.
While the first round of archers (antibodies) was out guarding the moat of your castle (respiratory tract), the immune system wasn't just sitting around idly, hoping those soldiers would be enough. Instead, it was busy training better archers — and a whole bunch of foot soldiers too.
After your second shot, the immune system sets up a training center in the lymph nodes to teach special cells how to make more powerful antibodies, the Nature paper from June reported.
"The quality of the antibody improves over time. It takes far fewer of those new antibodies to protect you," Bhattacharya says. "So I think that worrying about antibody decline is not something that's productive," he adds.
At the same time, the cells that make these souped-up antibodies become souped up themselves, he adds. In the training center, they learn how to make a huge amount of the highly powerful antibodies.
"These cells are remarkable," Bhattacharya says. "They're estimated to spit out something like 10,000 antibody molecules per second." So you don't need many of these cells to protect you against a future infection.
"We've done some back-of-the-envelope calculations to figure out how many of these cells are needed to protect a mouse from a lethal infection. It's three," Bhattacharya says. "Of course, we're bigger than mice. But you get the sense that it doesn't take many to offer good protection."
On top of that, these cells learn something remarkable in the training center: how to persist. "They're essentially given the gift of eternity," says immunologist Ellebedy.
He and his colleagues have found that by about six months after vaccination, these antibody-producing cells go into the bone marrow, where they can live for decades, perhaps even a lifetime, studies have found, and continue to produce antibodies the entire time. In one 2008 study, researchers identified antibodies that could neutralize the 1918 flu in the blood of people who were exposed to the virus 90 years earlier.
"We looked in the bone marrow and have seen these cells in people previously infected with SARS-CoV-2," Ellebedy says. "Now we are finishing research that shows these cells appear in the bone marrow after vaccination as well."
Called long-lived plasma cells, these cells will likely pump out antibodies into the blood for decades, Ellebedy says, giving people some sustained, long-term protection against SARS-CoV-2. (There is a caveat: If the virus changes too much, these antibodies won't be as effective.)
"The antibodies are maintained at very low levels, but they're the first line of defense against an infection," Ellebedy says. "If you're taken by surprise by SARS-CoV-2, these antibodies will slow down the replication of the virus" — until reinforcements come along.
And reinforcements will likely come!
On top of training up better archers (antibodies) and factories to create them (plasma cells), the immune system has also been training up the equivalent of foot soldiers, several studies have found. These foot soldiers are called memory B cells and memory T cells, and they largely serve as a surveillance system, looking for other cells infected with SARS-CoV-2.
"They're patrolling all over," Ellebedy says, checking to see if a cell has SARS-CoV-2 hiding in it. "It's almost like going through the neighborhood, house by house, and just making sure it's clean."
These foot soldiers can't prevent an infection from initially occurring, but they can quickly stop one once it occurs, says immunologist Jennifer Gommerman at the University of Toronto. "Because of the vaccine-generated 'memory' of the SARS-CoV-2 spike protein, you get a very brisk cellular immune response."
OK. So now we've got all the information to understand what's going on with the COVID-19 vaccine and immune durability.
About six months after the shots, the antibodies in the blood have fallen — as expected. They're also a bit less effective against the delta variant. "Together, that means there are more symptomatic infections as we go further out from the vaccination rollout," Gommerman says.
But in vaccinated people, these infections will most likely be mild or moderate because the immune system isn't starting from scratch. In fact, it's the opposite. It has been training cells and antibodies for months.
"You still have all this immunity inside of your body that will then say, 'OK, we've had a breach, and it's time to bring in the cellular immunity and respond to this threat,' " Gommerman says. "And because of vaccination, you have cells that can do that really quickly."
And so, overall, you'll be less sick than if you weren't vaccinated and be much less likely to end up in the hospital, she says.
"That's really what the vaccines were designed to do — to teach the immune system to deal with this invader if an infection does occur," Gommerman says. "And the vaccines do that remarkably well."
 
This is what low SES anti vaxxers don’t understand : immunity is beyond antibodies

Vaccination also triggers T cell response , which confers long term immunity

https://www.pennmedicine.org/news/n...obust-tcell-response-to-mrna-covid19-vaccines

anti vaxxers have peanut sized brains and can only think in one dimension. Should have stayed longer in school
Low SES anti-mRNA won't ever understand why there is a need to spend unnecessary money on boosters if the two dose Pfizer mRNA vaccines are actually so effective as you claim them to be.

Sorry, I am just too low SES to understand the logic. Can't be helped. A nice song to soothe your damaged feelings.

 
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Filippo Pozzato in hospital with COVID-19​


By Cyclingnews about 17 hours ago
Former Milan-San Remo winner regrets not getting a vaccine as he battles severe pneumonia


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Pozzato at the recent Veneto Classic (Image credit: Veneto Classic)

Former Italian pro Filippo Pozzato is in hospital with pneumonia after contracting COVID-19.

The 40-year-old began to feel unwell on October 22, five days after the conclusion of the 'Ride the Dreamland' series of races that he organised, which included the Giro del Veneto and the all-new Serenissima Gravel.
Earlier this week, his condition deteriorated to the point that he was admitted to the respiratory ward of the San Bortolo hospital in Vincenza.
"I started to feel bad with a bit of a fever: [a temperature of] 37 and a half, then 38. I immediately do the swab, it's COVID. Then I was 39 and a half for almost 10 days," Pozzato explained to Tuttobici.

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"Three days ago, my fever went away, but my oxygen saturation plummeted, I went down to 87, then 86, I had oxygen tanks at home, it went to 83, I couldn't even stand up and they brought me here."

Pozzatto is receiving a supplemental oxygen supply but is not on a ventilator at the moment, although that could be the case if his situation deteriorates further.
"I have severe pneumonia. I am attached to oxygen to open my bronchi, but if I get worse they will put the mask on me," he said.
"Everyone says that COVID looks like bullshit... but when you take it you understand that it is not at all. I hope to get over this very bad moment as soon as possible. Guys, don't mess with fire, I've already burned myself."

Pozzato revealed he has not been vaccinated against COVID-19. In fact, he had booked his first dose for October 25, by which point he had already tested positive.
The former Milan-San Remo champion suggested that his 'Ride the Dreamland' duties meant he didn't get the vaccine sooner, but he also revealed he thought he was 'strong' enough not to need it.
"Why hadn't I been vaccinated before? Because I have always felt strong, I have been among people who had COVID and nothing had ever happened to me. I was an idiot, and I have taken a good beating."
 
Low SES anti-mRNA won't ever understand why there is a need to spend unnecessary money on boosters if the two dose Pfizer mRNA vaccines are actually so effective as you claim them to be.

Sorry, I am just too low SES to understand the logic. Can't be helped. A nice song to soothe your damaged feelings.


Yup u cannot understand simple logic

go read porn
 
Sorry, I am too low SES to read porn. I only know how to watch porn. Watching porn is straightforward logic.
Ok, tell you what. Instead of porn, watch this in full. It's the easiest explanation of how mRNA works. At least you can brag to friends you know how mRNA works and that makes you knowledgeable... :thumbsup:

 
Ok, tell you what. Instead of porn, watch this in full. It's the easiest explanation of how mRNA works. At least you can brag to friends you know how mRNA works and that makes you knowledgeable... :thumbsup:


Don't understand how the immune system breaks down the mRNA fragment that has entered into the cell. What if the fragment is never broken down in some people with compromised immune system? Does this mean spike proteins are continuously created in the body? If so, does this explain why some people develop blood clots due to excessive production of spike proteins?
 
Don't understand how the immune system breaks down the mRNA fragment that has entered into the cell. What if the fragment is never broken down in some people with compromised immune system? Does this mean spike proteins are continuously created in the body? If so, does this explain why some people develop blood clots due to excessive production of spike proteins?
mRNA metabolised by cellular enzymes . Not by immune system

spike proteins also metabolised after they tigger the antibody response

you are getting your info from conspiracy websites . Porn websites are safer for u
 
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