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ST Pre-General Election balm for the wounded minority - "Minarets"

Debonerman

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Wed 2 Dec 2009

Minarets: A falsehood about citadel Europe​

The Swiss are not known to be religious bigots in a Europe which wants to box Islam up in a cultural ghetto. The nation's leaders in mainstream politics, the church and community organisations are therefore at a loss to explain the bizarre referendum at the weekend which outlawed the building of minarets, those elegant cylindrical prayer towers atop mosques. The constitution guarantees freedom of worship, and the building of mosques and other non-Christian houses of worship is permitted. But minarets run counter to a Christian skyline of Baroque spires in the idyllic setting of alpine central Europe, of which Switzerland is the registered trademark. This makes the exclusion of an architectural detail nothing but a shameful act of pettiness, meant to offend. After the vote, the Berne government was at pains to reassure the 400,000 Swiss Muslims (in a 7.5 million population) that the minarets ban was to be taken as a rejection of their beliefs and culture. With the best will they can summon up, any religious minority will remain to be convinced.

Switzerland cannot plead mitigation in that the referendum was approved by only a minority of the nation (57.5 percent for and 52.2 percent opposed, on turnout of 53 percent.) the right-wing fringe which forced the vote spoke the language of European cultural and ethnic exclusionism in blindly linking Islam and it's practices with terrorism and regressive social mores like honour killings. The hijack of Islamic percepts by fundamentalist groups in Europe, fighting what they call the infidel underworld, has to be coutered with moral reasoning and tolerance. The minarets vote will do nothing of the sort; it empowers hate-mongers of all faiths. Bottom line: the Swiss nation will have to dig deep into its reserves of social tolerance and political neutrality to undo the damage to its reputation.

All across Europe where there are Muslim communities of some size, the common space that permits pollination of diverse cultures has shrunk alarmingly. Even Turkey is beginning to tire of knocking on the door of Christian citadel Europe. If Muslims make the mistake of withdrawing from the continent's civic life, an even more rabid form of Muslim-baiting will arise. The 2005 Danish cartoons which parodied the Prophet Mohammad were defended by European opinion, with tongue firmly in cheek, as freedom of expression. But the Swiss voters who objected to minarets mist have misunderstood that the Danes had in mind expression in all sphere. Europe cannot justify cultural exceptionalism. This a falsehood in the civilizational debate that has to be exposed.

Since when have Singapore become the international expert on and champion of religious tolerance? But then the message is not meant for Swiss ears is it?
Would the Swiss ambassador write in to protest the interference in its internal politics?
 

Char_Azn

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Straits Times

Review & Forum
Wed 2 Dec 2009

Since when have Singapore become the international expert on and champion of religious tolerance? But then the message is not meant for Swiss ears is it?
Would the Swiss ambassador write in to protest the interference in its internal politics?

Since never. This is just some random dude's ranting, it doesn't seem to be written by anyone from within SPH, and even if it is, it wasn't publish as an official stand held by the org or government.

2ndly, as a nation of with REAL religious freedom, unlike those yahoos in Europe or US who like to just talk about it, SG have never have a problem with religious conflicts(we only have history of 1 racial(note not religious) conflict) in our history

3rdly if you look at some of the examples here, example the Hindu Temple beside Guanyin Temple which actually have an altar for Buddhist to pay their respects to the Hindu gods using their own method or Kusu Island where pple, making the pilgrimage to the island will very often visit both the mosque/temple to pay respects goes to show how much more we are ahead of the Swiss in terms of religious harmony.

I can't speak for the rest of the world but as far as I know, I have not seen any other country which have reach anywhere close to being as religiously tolerant as us.

In which case the answer to your question is still SG have not officially stepped into anyone's internal affairs as far as this case is concern and unless some minister open their big mouth, there isn't anything to talk about. There will always be pple who have different opinions and this is just 1 person's opinion
 

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Since never. This is just some random dude's ranting, it doesn't seem to be written by anyone from within SPH, and even if it is, it wasn't publish as an official stand held by the org or government.

Read the papers, dude. Monsieur Aznavour. It is not a letter from the public to the forum pages. It is an editorial as far as I believe. I can't remember when was it that they changed the format which then had stated it clearly as an editorial. Now it's just headed under Forum and Reviews without crediting the author. Why, I have no idea.You have to ask our condescending forum member from SPH. :smile:

2ndly, as a nation of with REAL religious freedom, unlike those yahoos in Europe or US who like to just talk about it, SG have never have a problem with religious conflicts(we only have history of 1 racial(note not religious) conflict) in our history

Please run to your store room and retrieve your history books.:p

3rdly if you look at some of the examples here, example the Hindu Temple beside Guanyin Temple which actually have an altar for Buddhist to pay their respects to the Hindu gods using their own method or Kusu Island where pple, making the pilgrimage to the island will very often visit both the mosque/temple to pay respects goes to show how much more we are ahead of the Swiss in terms of religious harmony.

That's news to me! Are you sure Muslims visited Chinese temples? Read after me.........."A Malay is not necessarily a Muslim.":smile:

I can't speak for the rest of the world but as far as I know, I have not seen any other country which have reach anywhere close to being as religiously tolerant as us.

Chia Thye Poh can give you a cogent answer if he is willing to offer his views to you.:biggrin:

In which case the answer to your question is still SG have not officially stepped into anyone's internal affairs as far as this case is concern and unless some minister open their big mouth, there isn't anything to talk about. There will always be pple who have different opinions and this is just 1 person's opinion

Go back to the top!:biggrin:
 

Char_Azn

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Read the papers, dude. Monsieur Aznavour. It is not a letter from the public to the forum pages. It is an editorial as far as I believe. I can't remember when was it that they changed the format which then had stated it clearly as an editorial. Now it's just headed under Forum and Reviews without crediting the author. Why, I have no idea.You have to ask our condescending forum member from SPH.

Maybe the reason being they didn't want to make this comment official? In which case, I don't think anyone of us can tell what it is since no link is provided

Please run to your store room and retrieve your history books.

Yeah my history is probably rusty. Can you please get me an example of religious conflict that we encountered in SG? I can't remember any significant one. The closest one would be the Racial Riot, Indonesian Komfrontasis, War against the Communist which didn't even took place here(it took place in MY). What else? The closest thing we have is some idiot who tried to bomb some bus stop and got caught before he managed to. That incident BTW was condemn by his own religious group. Oh and I forgot to add, the guy received his higher religion education in Indonesia!!!!

That's news to me! Are you sure Muslims visited Chinese temples? Read after me.........."A Malay is not necessarily a Muslim.

Yeah. I'd like to argue about how 99 out of 100 Malay is a muslim and there are significant numbers of Malays going to the Chinese temple but since I can't proof that, instead I'll just say this. What I can say for certain is that many Chinese who prays at the temple also goes over to the Muslim Mosque which makes it significant. In Swiss example, its the majority which does not allow the minority to build their religious monument while here, we don't have too much problem with one another's religion.



Chia Thye Poh can give you a cogent answer if he is willing to offer his views to you.

Chia Thye Poh was imprison coz of his POLITICAL ideas, nothing to do with RELIGION!!!!
 
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