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SR Nathan says curb Thaipusam’s noise at Istana

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Massive outcry over Thaipusam’s noise curbs
January 13th, 2011 | Author: Your Correspondent
Guidelines made public last Friday that restrict devotees to singing – no music or drums to be played – have drawn varied reactions.
The Hindu Endowments Board (HEB), which announced the guidelines, said it has received a “handful” of queries from devotees seeking clarification.
A Facebook page, Bring The Thaipusam Beat Back, was set up by a devotee on Monday – and more than 40 people had pledged support.
Prominent socio-political blog Temasek Review saw hundreds of comments within days condeming the new guidelines.
Prominent lawyer Mr Ravi has also filed a Summons against the AGC and HEB claiming that the rights of minorities have been violated with this new guidelines. He will be holding a press conference at 11am in his office tomorrow.
Thaipusam is an annual occasion where Hindus give thanks to Lord Murugan for his blessings. Devotees carry milk pots or kavadis – metal or wooden structures fixed to the body – to express devotion to the deity.
Census figures indicate that Hindus make up about 5 per cent of the overall resident population – or about 250,000 people.
The 4km event, which can take as long as five hours, starts from Sri Srinivasa Perumal Temple in Serangoon Road and ends at Sri Thendayuthapani Temple in Tank Road.
The rules, which the HEB said mirrored police guidelines with regard to public order, appeared to bear stricter control over common practices during the procession. One was the barring of music and playing of instruments. Now, only religious hymns may be sung. Other rules include no wearing of make-up on the faces of devotees and allowing only small objects to be hung from their bodies.
The HEB said these guidelines were set by the police and were not new, even if it was the first time they were compiled and made public.
HEB chairman S. Rajendran said the move was calculated to reduce noise and unruly behaviour, both of which have been on the rise. Twenty years ago, the walk was attended by about 10,000 people – including both participants and spectators. Last year, that figure was 50,000, he said.
‘To conduct the procession, we close roads, we re-direct traffic – both of which are an inconvenience to others. We are fortunate to be given this privilege to hold a procession; we must do what we can to ensure it is conducted in an orderly manner,’ he said.
Other heads of Hindu temples said the guidelines had become necessary. Mr Narainasamy Ellatan, chairman of Holy Tree Sri Balasubramaniar Temple, said he had noticed more people dressing inappropriately and playing non-religious music in recent years.
Mr Rajendran said those in breach of the rules will be counselled by volunteers, and action will be taken only if they remain uncooperative.

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‘To conduct the procession, we close roads, we re-direct traffic – both of which are an inconvenience to others. We are fortunate to be given this privilege to hold a procession; we must do what we can to ensure it is conducted in an orderly manner,’ he said.


Hahaha...the solution is to delcare a Public Holiday.....
 
In late September and early October in Thailand held an unusual vegetarian festival. I order to Nine Emperor Gods give them good health and peace of mind, these people during the festival, which lasts 9 days, must comply with many rules. These days they do not eat meat, drink alcohol, have sex or wear white clothes, and must maintain body hygiene and kitchen accessories… What’s really spectacular is sticking various objects through the face: knives, sabers, saw, glasses, spears… Every drop of blood, and every scar is a gift for purifying the soul. This expression of devotion and love to the gods during the ceremony is often a very creepy and bizarre, but always spectacular.

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Why dun the organizers tell nathan to curb the curry smell from the Istana?
 
PAP must be pretty confident of winning the GE if they feel they can alienate the indian vote.

Who's riding is little India in:confused:
 
PAP must be pretty confident of winning the GE if they feel they can alienate the indian vote.

Who's riding is little India in:confused:

Looks more like payback time. PAP aren't threatened by Indian votes, just annoyed. Indians traditionally vote against establishment except for those Indians who're in establishment. If I recall correctly, Jayakumar as Home Minister degazetted Thaipusam as public holiday after huge Indian support for JBJ and CST. Now, Shanmugam bans drums. A not-so-gentle reminder, next may be to ban Thaipusam altogether if they persist to be "nuisance."
 
Looks more like payback time. PAP aren't threatened by Indian votes, just annoyed. Indians traditionally vote against establishment except for those Indians who're in establishment.

Didn't know the PAP was unpopular among the Indians. :eek:

If PAP goes after everyone that disagrees with them then they will never win back any of the lost votes. No wonder LKY is talking about the PAP loosing some seats :rolleyes:
 
Looks more like payback time. PAP aren't threatened by Indian votes, just annoyed. Indians traditionally vote against establishment except for those Indians who're in establishment. If I recall correctly, Jayakumar as Home Minister degazetted Thaipusam as public holiday after huge Indian support for JBJ and CST. Now, Shanmugam bans drums. A not-so-gentle reminder, next may be to ban Thaipusam altogether if they persist to be "nuisance."

Banning drums during Thaipusam? If the Indians also insist drums be banned for Buddhist/Taoist funerals, how? Appears discriminatory to me. Same goes for house temples and house churches. If Indians want to have their house temples, how to respond? Can guitars be played in HDB homes for cell group gatherings?
 
Banning drums during Thaipusam? If the Indians also insist drums be banned for Buddhist/Taoist funerals, how? Appears discriminatory to me. Same goes for house temples and house churches. If Indians want to have their house temples, how to respond? Can guitars be played in HDB homes for cell group gatherings?

Banging on some drum may be noisy but it's short term.

During the ghost month, I'm aware of a street being blocked & a stage being put up & you have noisy entertainment all through the night. The stage also blocks the only 1 way road for those living there. So are the authorities going to crack down on such activities:confused:
 
Banging on some drum may be noisy but it's short term.

During the ghost month, I'm aware of a street being blocked & a stage being put up & you have noisy entertainment all through the night. The stage also blocks the only 1 way road for those living there. So are the authorities going to crack down on such activities:confused:

Not only short term. It happens once a year and it is not tolerated.

Chinese funerals where musicians are present happens everyday. Ghost month activities last for a month. Noise pollution, traffic congestion etc.

I doubt our civil servants, especially the police, can handle a gentle enquiry on this matter.
 
Not only short term. It happens once a year and it is not tolerated.

Chinese funerals where musicians are present happens everyday. Ghost month activities last for a month. Noise pollution, traffic congestion etc.

I doubt our civil servants, especially the police, can handle a gentle enquiry on this matter.

Chinese funerals - 5 days and nights of cymbal clanging and chanting culminating at the full funeral procession philharmonic orchestra with all drums and trumpets eastern and western.

Chinese New Year - 15 days of lion dance troupes going door-to-door, stall-to-stall and shop-to-shop for red packets.

Chinese 7th Month - 30 days of road concerts and auctioneering, with speaker systems that opposition could only dream to have for their rallies.

No offence intended to my Chinese friends, just stating facts and practices ongoing. I think my Indian friends are shortchanged by the restriction.
 
all stuffs related to religions must be banned ...;)

That's a great idea. As for freedom of religion, all religions should be practised indoors and imposing no inconvenience or annoyance on public.
 
Forvendet;656110 No offence intended to my Chinese friends said:
As a Chinese, I too feel the Indians are shortchanged. Shan is a bright chap. Surely he knows there can't be double standards for something which can't be hidden. It is going to cost them votes.
 
That's a great idea. As for freedom of religion, all religions should be practised indoors and imposing no inconvenience or annoyance on public.


people must embrace rationalism, not faith , or they will never overcome their differences.:)

many conman trying to use religion to disguise their goals. thats why we must ban all religion .
 
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