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Chitchat S'poreans unhappy Johor condo they bought confers them 99-year lease status, not ownership

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S'poreans unhappy Johor condo they bought confers them 99-year lease status, not ownership​

Knowing the ins and outs of the property market and rules in another country is always tricky.

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December 26, 2024, 06:20 PM​

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At least 100 people from Singapore are shocked and unhappy with a developer in Malaysia after they apparently discovered that they had purchased their homes under a Private Lease Scheme (PLS).

The group is made up of Singaporeans, with one of them spending about S$275,000 (RM904,600) for a three-bedder unit in Johor Bahru as an extra home for his family.


Some 170 buyers have banded together in a WhatsApp group to seek support and clarity, as well as ask questions, such as on refinancing of property issues.

However, the developer was not named, according to the report by CNA.

At least 70 buyers reportedly filed a complaint in June with the Singapore Council of Estate Agencies against the real estate agency that marketed the property to them.

Singaporeans were among the top buyers of properties in Johor Bahru, CNA added, with Malaysia among the top five property markets for Singaporeans.

The top five countries are UK, Japan, Australia, Malaysia and Thailand.

Condominium prices in Johor are up by 30 per centin the first three months of 2024.



Why only lease and not own?​



Under a PLS, buyers do not own the property outright and are granted a lease for 99 years.

The developer retains ownership, and buyers are considered tenants.

This effectively makes the purchase price the cost of a long-term rental.

This arrangement is different from a leasehold concept that exists in Singapore, where buyers have full rights to rent or sell their units.


Those who are seeking recourse in Malaysia are claiming that the developer did not properly inform them about the terms and conditions of the deal.

The confusion might have arisen as buyers sign on a standard sales and purchase agreement, also known as a "SPA", and assume they have leasehold status, which is a different class of ownership.

Currently, as PLS tenants, they are also unable to rent or sell their properties without the developer’s permission.

They are also not entitled to strata titles or voting rights in the condominium's management.



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Property lawyers in Malaysia and Singapore provided advice saying local agents in Malaysia would better understand the property market in Johor and the customs and parameters of the purchase that might not be laid out clearly.

The developer has responded that the PLS is legitimate and the buyers have exceeded the legal period in which they are able to take legal action.

CNA interviewed a legal expert who said buyers are effectively getting into long-term rental agreements under the PLS.

Buyers can become vulnerable in certain situations, such as when creditors pursue claims against the land due to issues faced by the developer or corporation.

The land the condominium sits on could be auctioned.


Moreover, when the developer or corporation overseeing the condominium does not run the amenities well, there could be potential issues with living conditions.

This puts lessees at a disadvantage as they are not the owners and cannot vote for the management committee.

Property values may also be affected owning to the calculation of the lease, which is effectively a long-term rental scheme under PLS, a Singapore lawyer said.

Since 2022, it was reportedly understood that two groups of people amounting to at least 80 Singaporean buyers have initiated legal action against the developer and an investment firm in a Malaysia court, it was also reported.

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Delusional people still believe that they could have ownership? The direction of WEF has already made it clear since the last scamdemic

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My Motto is never buy properties in a country you are not a Citizen of. When things become bad, they go for the foreigners first. :sick:
 
My Motto is never buy properties in a country you are not a Citizen of. When things become bad, they go for the foreigners first. :sick:

Not in Singapore. The PAP will always screw sinkies first.
 
There is a news report about 100 buyers have a legal dispute with the developer in Johor about a property that they bought which as under PLS (private lease scheme). They thought that it was a normal leasehold in Singapore.

The name of the development was not mentioned in the news report.

I searched for the developments that are sold under a PLS in Johor. I got this answer.

In Johor, particularly within the Medini region of Iskandar Puteri, several condominium developments have been sold under Private Lease Schemes (PLS). Notable examples include:

Afiniti Residences: Developed as a joint venture between Khazanah Nasional and Temasek Holdings, Afiniti Residences operates under the Medini Lease Structure (MLS), a form of PLS. Buyers hold long-term leases—initially 99 years, with an extension option—without actual ownership of the property.

Iskandar Residences: This development has been at the center of legal disputes due to its PLS arrangement. Buyers allege they were misled into believing they were purchasing ownership, only to later discover they held long-term leases without ownership rights.

The Meridin@Medini: In 2018, buyers of this development successfully sued the developer over misrepresentation and breach of housing development legislation related to the PLS structure. The court awarded damages to the plaintiffs, underscoring the complexities associated with such schemes.
 
Fucking retard coolie Sinkies never learn. Fucking deserve it.
Ya especially those sinkie traitor dogs that joined Malaysian criminals to open mouth to smear and whistle at me. I actually met one at puteri harbour/Medini eatery.
 
PLS is not leasehold-ownership.

It is a loophole for developers to sell cheaper units to foreigners (below state requirements) but better to pay full cash and avoid taking loan under PLS.

A year ago, kuok towkay was also promoting one project under this scheme so that they can sell for SGD150-200K.
 
Pity the fate of sinkies.

Live in Singapore, kana scammed by PAP.
Live in JB kena scammed by greedy chinks.
 
Iskandar Investment Berhad (IIB) is a federal government and johor state government company that is involved in developing the condo project.

Sinkies are tenants leasing long term for 99 years from the land owners but cannot sell or rent out. It is a good deal that landlord cannot chase you out every 2 years. :thumbsup: . Sinkies secured the tenancy for 99 years, good for retirement and weekend house.

Even $30k renovation, I will read the terms and conditions carefully. Why sinkies never read the purchase agreement carefully? Sinkies cannot speak and read in their national language, so lawyers or agents at fault for not telling them the hidden details?
 
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