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Singapore Zoo explains why tranquilliser guns weren't used in fatal mauling

CENWEN

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Singapore Zoo explains why tranquilliser guns weren't used in fatal mauling

<!-- headline one : end --><!-- show image if available --> I REFER to the online letter on Tuesday from Ms Soumitra Ray ("Fatal mauling: Disheartened by zoo's response").

We would like to assure and address Ms Ray's concerns posed in her letter.
During the incident, tranquilliser guns were not used because they do not work instantaneously. Essentially, it takes between five and 10 minutes before the effect sets in. If darted, the tiger may react adversely to the sudden impact and redirect it to Mr Nordin. As for the weapons that had been drawn out, there was no need to use them as by then the tigers had already been safely confined in their dens. The 16 licensed shooters we have on hand will take the necessary steps if a human life is at risk. This will require them to draw firearms from a gun safe and report to the scene of the emergency. They will then assist the veterinarians in subduing the animal, and if necessary, shoot to kill a dangerous animal. We would like to assure Ms Ray that we conduct regular audits on our exhibits and have frequent emergency drills. The standard operating procedure we have in place is comprehensive and effective. On a daily and regular basis, we have 80 zookeepers and operations staff patrolling the park. We would like to also clarify that the safety of both visitors and zookeepers are our top priority. Where safety and human life are concerned, visitors and keepers are equally important. The Singapore Zoo upholds stringent international safety standards and maintains these safety measures at all times. Our exhibits are designed with precautionary features that comply with (and sometimes even exceed) international safety standards and guidelines from the Association of Zoos and Aquariums and European Association of Zoos and Aquaria. There are safety features built into our exhibits to prevent people from falling into the moat. We are also reviewing the possibility of setting up alarms at various points within the park so that visitors can sound the alarm should they need help. We would like to thank Ms Ray for her letter. We hope this clarifies.

Subash Chandran

Curator, Zoology

Singapore Zoo
 

NissanViP

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The answer is hidden actually.

Since the zoo keeper (forgot his name - that dead - zoo cleaner malay guy) is attempted suicide so be it.

Delay tactics to save is to let the suicide to take effect.

If the scenario is really not suicide, they would have dart the white tiger quickly or apply shoot to kill position to save life.

My understanding from my friends working in the Bird park who used to work in the zoo, any animal behaviour sudden change or become uncontrolled and dangerous must be terminated at once for the safety of the Zoo keepers for feeding and taming them.
 

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These people will always have reasons and justifications, whatever others have in mind and has to say are just but trying to patronize them. Albino beasts are protected species, like it or not, they will be protected. Decisions are made, a man had died, so be it. The question is between a human and a beast, who has the right to live and who decide that...:p
 

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As for the weapons that had been drawn out, there was no need to use them as by then the tigers had already been safely confined in their dens. The 16 licensed shooters we have on hand will take the necessary steps if a human life is at risk.

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what he is saying is that the indonesian zoo keeper is not human. probably same level as NS slaves.
 

Dan Now

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Singapore Zoo explains why tranquilliser guns weren't used in fatal mauling

<!-- headline one : end --><!-- show image if available -->I REFER to the online letter on Tuesday from Ms Soumitra Ray ("Fatal mauling: Disheartened by zoo's response").

We would like to assure and address Ms Ray's concerns posed in her letter.
During the incident, tranquilliser guns were not used because they do not work instantaneously. Essentially, it takes between five and 10 minutes before the effect sets in. If darted, the tiger may react adversely to the sudden impact and redirect it to Mr Nordin. As for the weapons that had been drawn out, there was no need to use them as by then the tigers had already been safely confined in their dens. The 16 licensed shooters we have on hand will take the necessary steps if a human life is at risk. This will require them to draw firearms from a gun safe and report to the scene of the emergency. They will then assist the veterinarians in subduing the animal, and if necessary, shoot to kill a dangerous animal. We would like to assure Ms Ray that we conduct regular audits on our exhibits and have frequent emergency drills. The standard operating procedure we have in place is comprehensive and effective. On a daily and regular basis, we have 80 zookeepers and operations staff patrolling the park. We would like to also clarify that the safety of both visitors and zookeepers are our top priority. Where safety and human life are concerned, visitors and keepers are equally important. The Singapore Zoo upholds stringent international safety standards and maintains these safety measures at all times. Our exhibits are designed with precautionary features that comply with (and sometimes even exceed) international safety standards and guidelines from the Association of Zoos and Aquariums and European Association of Zoos and Aquaria. There are safety features built into our exhibits to prevent people from falling into the moat. We are also reviewing the possibility of setting up alarms at various points within the park so that visitors can sound the alarm should they need help. We would like to thank Ms Ray for her letter. We hope this clarifies.

Subash Chandran

Curator, Zoology

Singapore Zoo

The 16 licensed shooters we have on hand will take the necessary steps if a human life is at risk. This will require them to draw firearms from a gun safe and report to the scene of the emergency. They will then assist the veterinarians in subduing the animal, and if necessary, shoot to kill a dangerous animal.

16 shooters, and yet, was anyone of them at the scence ? Going by this reply, it would appear no firearms were drawn from the armoury.

Now the most humbug part of the reply is this portion of the reply : "take the necessary step if a human life is at risk".

You mean the cleaner's life is not at risk ? Was he just groveling in pain having fun ?

I think the zoo were totally caught off guard. Even if the guards with firearms were deployed, they will have to be cleared by the head to carry out the shootings. We all know that in Singapore, the rule is that you have to file a form in tripiclates, have it refered to the necessary superior, the superior will then call his other superior, and wait for approval by a commitee.

None of the guards with the firearms would ever dare to take their own initiative, if they are serious about keeping their job.

Dan
 

Kid278

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lets petition 2 have toothless tigers in the zoo... problem solved :rolleyes:

No, problem not solve yet. You solved one, it creates another. The tigers will die of starvation. These albino tigers are protected species and must not die, they'll tell you remember that.:biggrin:
 

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16 shooters, and yet, was anyone of them at the scence ? Going by this reply, it would appear no firearms were drawn from the armoury.

Now the most humbug part of the reply is this portion of the reply : "take the necessary step if a human life is at risk".

You mean the cleaner's life is not at risk ? Was he just groveling in pain having fun ?

I think the zoo were totally caught off guard. Even if the guards with firearms were deployed, they will have to be cleared by the head to carry out the shootings. We all know that in Singapore, the rule is that you have to file a form in tripiclates, have it refered to the necessary superior, the superior will then call his other superior, and wait for approval by a commitee.

None of the guards with the firearms would ever dare to take their own initiative, if they are serious about keeping their job.

Dan

Reading the official reply carefully, the 16 licensed shooters are just statistics on their list. What level of compentency these shooters have in a real situation ? One proper trained person is enough to handle the situation; with 16 are they expecting a stampede to happen anytime ?

I agree with you they are caught off guard same as Mas Selamat saga with total complacency. They never think it could happen and it happned anyway.

The whole reply seems drafted with run of the mill reasons to defend themselves. The ultimate questions is who was the one who decide who lives at that point.
 

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As for the weapons that had been drawn out, there was no need to use them as by then the tigers had already been safely confined in their dens. The 16 licensed shooters we have on hand will take the necessary steps if a human life is at risk.

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what he is saying is that the indonesian zoo keeper is not human. probably same level as NS slaves.

same level....the tigers are much more precious than mat from Sabah & NS slaves...NS Slaves compensation is around few K's, and Mat death due to his own doing, a token compensate sum less damages done!.

the tigers....wow!...the insurer is trembling...!!:biggrin:
 

sherrry

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16 shooters at the zoo....... But they were obviously practicing with the other gun, and not the tranquilizing ones.
 

sir cum-a-lot

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The insane mat was looking for death. Cased closed. I don't even see a need for the zoo to explain.
I heard suicide in SG is punishable by cane to the corpse. So, did the authorities flog the pile of minced meat? Or is it a case of double standards? :confused:
 

Dan Now

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Well said.

Once you see a convulated reply by the cheng hu, you just know they are trying to cover up.

Dan
 

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for once, i would have loved for the gahmen to grow some balls, come out and tell the cold hard truth: "fucker tries to commit suicide, he deserves it. white tigers rarer than useless FTs. duh!!!"
 
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