Singapore Would Be Doomed Without Foreigners

[clinton666]

All you xenphobic FT-haters are truly fucktards :oIo:

Singaporeans would be like the Last of the Mohicans, the Dodo birds, the Woolly Mammoth if foreigners do not come to our shores and make our country their home.

And no MNC would want to invest in our country and our economic pie will shrink to crumbs.

I can forsee that without MM Lee's visionary Foreign Talent policy, in 30 years' time, there will be no first class workforce and we will revert back to our fishing village status. I have to remind you morons:oIo: here the miraculous transformation from 3rd World to 1st World Singapore has undergone, engineered by the genius of Lee Kuan Yew from the 60s to 90s.

Without the FT policy, in 30 years' time, you can be sure that the majority of the populace will just while their time away playing guitar,football and hip-hop dancing at void decks and the elites like me will fled these shores.

MM Lee on Singapore's population
By Leong Wee Keat and Lin Yanqin, TODAY | Posted: 21 March 2009 0949 hrs

SINGAPORE: Even after the millions spent on Baby Bonuses and other parenthood incentives, policy-makers are confounded by a problem that goes to the very heart of survival: Singaporeans are still not reproducing themselves.

And on Friday, Minister Mentor Lee Kuan Yew reflected on this challenge at the National University of Singapore Society's (NUSS) dialogue on "Singapore and Singaporeans: A Quarter Century From Now".

In Singapore, he said, it is becoming a "lifestyle choice" for women past the age of 30 to stay single as they are well-travelled and have no one to worry about.

"My daughter is one of them. What can I do? When she was in her early 30s, my wife used to tell her, what you want is a 'MRS'. She did not think it was funny.

"Now she is 50-plus, her mother is bedridden, I'm on a pacemaker, I got this rambling house. Everything is looked after now. What happens if we are both not there?...

"She says, 'I'll look after myself'. But we know she has not been looking after herself all these years. When she went to Boston for training, her cooking was to just to put her salmon into the microwave."

Mr Lee added: "But that's life. It's a choice that she has made, and a choice that 30 per cent of our women are making. Who am I to complain? Society lives with the consequences it is making."

The problem that this trend creates: "Without new citizens and permanent residents, we are going to be the last of the Mohicans. We are going to disappear".

But immigrants bring their own challenges to a society.

Some Singaporean parents have complained about migrants entering schools and competing with local children. He urged parents: "Would you want them to compete against you or with you as part of the team? If you don't have them with you as part of your team, they will be on the Chinese and Indian team."

Some of these migrant students, he acknowledged, use Singapore as a stepping stone to other countries. So "why are we so stupid" in allowing this?

"Because more than half (of these students) do not make the grade to go to America, and the second tier is not bad for us."

Singapore needs to draw from a big talent pool beyond its own shores, "so that we can continue to punch above our weight. No other way".

"Would you want the pie to grow? You want a small pie with your children taking the last portion, or a big pie where you get a bigger portion, even though the talented person may get a bigger slice? That's life. If you are afraid of talent, you will not succeed."

One catch he foresees: Even as the second generation of today's immigrants become more Singaporean, one dubious habit they might also adopt, is to have only one child.

"So we got to make this breakthrough, otherwise we are going to have a constant problem.

"We got to get people to realise that if we don't have 2.1 (babies) to replace ourselves, we are always dependent."

Earlier in the evening, Mr Lee officially opened the new NUS Alumni Complex, which comprises the redeveloped NUSS Kent Ridge Guild House and Shaw Foundation Alumni House. - TODAY

 

[clinton666]

Singapore would end up like Japan if not for MM Lee.

1. Trend of the Total Population
According to the 2000 population census, the base year of this projection, the total population of Japan was 126.93 million. Based on the results of the medium variant projection, the population is expected to gradually increase in subsequent years, reaching its peak of 127.74 million in 2006, then enter a longstanding depopulation process. The population is expected to drop to the current size by 2013, then decrease to about 100.6 million in 2050

 

[Frankiestine]

Hey Retard if that the case, why not have FT as our government since it seems our own can't seems to be able to lower their expectation of pay to be one...

 

[makapaaa]

Going by your logic, fair to say that Peesai would even be better off if your Familee masters are replaced by FTrash too?

 

[Tiu Kwang Yew]

PM should be FT, MM should be FT, SM should be FT.

All Minitoots should be FTs.

Then, we will know whether Sinkapoor can doom or not?

tok no use lah, must got proof, but first sack the old monkey.

 

[clinton666]

Hey Retard if that the case, why not have FT as our government since it seems our own can't seems to be able to lower their expectation of pay to be one...

You retarded dog :oIo:

I know what's on your mind. You want the British to rule Singapore again so that you can suck on your fav big white cocks just like your mother did 50 years ago.

MM Lee kicked out the British colonial dogs, he will never allowed Singapore to be ruled by Kwailos.:oIo:

 

[Cestbon]

Singapore would end up like Japan if not for MM Lee.

1. Trend of the Total Population
According to the 2000 population census, the base year of this projection, the total population of Japan was 126.93 million. Based on the results of the medium variant projection, the population is expected to gradually increase in subsequent years, reaching its peak of 127.74 million in 2006, then enter a longstanding depopulation process. The population is expected to drop to the current size by 2013, then decrease to about 100.6 million in 2050

How you can compare Singapore with Japan. Japan land/area are 500times bigger than Singapore. Japan have less than 10% FT worker/population and Singapore have about 40% FT worker/population.
Please go back and search for more info before anyhow talk.

 

[Nice-Gook]

<style></style>There is no question that sinkie would be doomed without foreigners.But the question is should foreigners enjoy at the expense of locals?

Almost all oil producing countries in the middle east face similar situations as sinkie.Their floating population(foreigners) is greater than locals.Brunei is a good example.Even in Malaysia without foreigners many of their industries may go kaput.

The difference is foreigners whether if they are talented or not are kept at arm length.Not so in sinkie.Foreigners are more advantaged than NS serving population who are locked in high cost of living,

No place on this earth where locals are discriminated by government over foreigners as is in sinkie.

 

[littlefish]

MM Lee kicked out the British colonial dogs, he will never allowed Singapore to be ruled by Kwailos.

LKY kicked out the British? Hahaha, please go and read his memoirs about how he went to the UK crying on TV to beg them and Marks & Spencer to invest in Singapore. LKY is the biggest white cocksucker in Singapore when it comes to cocksucking. Please go and get a proper education.

 

[The_Latest_H]

First up, the aging population, and dismal birth rate does mean that yes, Singapore has to look to the world, and encourage some immigrants to consider Singapore as a long term destination, and even as a permanent place to stay and have a family here.

That is understandable, because to turn around the dismal birth rate is not an overnight effort. It doesn't mean that just because the government increases the baby bonuses, or reduce the cost of living, immediately the married couples will respond immediately overnight in their bedrooms- and unmarried couples will immediately turn at the Registry of Marriage to get wed.

That takes time, and truthfully, people would be suspicious and be wondering about their financial security- because having a baby is not cheap in Singapore.

Still, while we can and will, and probably shouldn't ever consider closing the doors to those who really want to settle here from another country, we also should consider fiscal responsibility and allow for the fact that some foreigners who are here, probably aren't gonna be here long-term. That's why we also need to have a quota system: this means that those who are here on the quota system and have applied and been interviewed and found to be willing, they probably might get some form of financial support from the govt if they are found to be in desperate need.

But those who are not in the quota system are either only gonna be here on selected work permits(if and when the ICA has reviewed the application by the applicant and his/her employer), or not even working in this country. They are allowed to study here, work here, but their expenses are borne by themselves, and not by the government, and taxpayers money. Once they get their degrees and want to leave, or that they have finished their job contracts, their student visas or their work permits are automatically considered to be expired and they have to leave.

This allows us to achieve an equilibrium between the need for new immigrants, new manpower and the existing local population who also needs such jobs when they finish school, or in the midst of switching jobs. A quota system works best, and besides many developed nations, also with an aging population and below average birth rate, have been doing. As such, locals and immigrants have been able to achieve a better equilibrium compared to ours. Sure, they have their own set of contextual problems in their own countries, but I think if they look at ours, they might probably think they're better off. At least they feel their positions, as part of the local population, are not as threatened as our own. And besides their own immigrants have been settling down and assimilating faster into the local culture than ours.

So its time to set a balance, and for the government to explain itself clearer. We cannot just accept the rationale behind what the government is saying, and accept their stance of "my way or the highway". If they don't explain themselves and make themselves clear, its not gonna help either side ease their own hosility towards each other.

 

[Loofydralb]

Faster you die Oldman the further we can progress without FT.

Ah....I forgot, they want you alive to keep the population numbers uppppp-;!

 

[clinton666]

Going by your logic, fair to say that Peesai would even be better off if your Familee masters are replaced by FTrash too?

You moronic dumbass :oIo:

I know you want our former colonial masters to be back so that you can suck on their big white dicks :oIo:

 

[clinton666]

First up, the aging population, and dismal birth rate does mean that yes, Singapore has to look to the world, and encourage some immigrants to consider Singapore as a long term destination, and even as a permanent place to stay and have a family here.

That is understandable, because to turn around the dismal birth rate is not an overnight effort. It doesn't mean that just because the government increases the baby bonuses, or reduce the cost of living, immediately the married couples will respond immediately overnight in their bedrooms- and unmarried couples will immediately turn at the Registry of Marriage to get wed.

That takes time, and truthfully, people would be suspicious and be wondering about their financial security- because having a baby is not cheap in Singapore.

Still, while we can and will, and probably shouldn't ever consider closing the doors to those who really want to settle here from another country, we also should consider fiscal responsibility and allow for the fact that some foreigners who are here, probably aren't gonna be here long-term. That's why we also need to have a quota system: this means that those who are here on the quota system and have applied and been interviewed and found to be willing, they probably might get some form of financial support from the govt if they are found to be in desperate need.

But those who are not in the quota system are either only gonna be here on selected work permits(if and when the ICA has reviewed the application by the applicant and his/her employer), or not even working in this country. They are allowed to study here, work here, but their expenses are borne by themselves, and not by the government, and taxpayers money. Once they get their degrees and want to leave, or that they have finished their job contracts, their student visas or their work permits are automatically considered to be expired and they have to leave.

This allows us to achieve an equilibrium between the need for new immigrants, new manpower and the existing local population who also needs such jobs when they finish school, or in the midst of switching jobs. A quota system works best, and besides many developed nations, also with an aging population and below average birth rate, have been doing. As such, locals and immigrants have been able to achieve a better equilibrium compared to ours. Sure, they have their own set of contextual problems in their own countries, but I think if they look at ours, they might probably think they're better off. At least they feel their positions, as part of the local population, are not as threatened as our own. And besides their own immigrants have been settling down and assimilating faster into the local culture than ours.

So its time to set a balance, and for the government to explain itself clearer. We cannot just accept the rationale behind what the government is saying, and accept their stance of "my way or the highway". If they don't explain themselves and make themselves clear, its not gonna help either side ease their own hosility towards each other.

You are retarded most of the times but I am still glad that you support our FT policy.

 

[DrPanacea]

There was a time when Singaporeans survived without the need for FTs. No thanks to the PAP govt for making the Red Dot so expensive that few could afford children any longer. Today prices continued to rise so much that we become the world's 10th most expensive city.
We still have beggars in the streets and citizens on welfare eke out an existence on a miserly SGD330/mth while the world's highest PM and his cabinet cost the taxpayers millions to feed.

I suppose this is one way to justify their astronically obscene pay. This country that Singaporeans built with their sweat and blood is spiralling quickly down the dark abyss if we do not do something.

So vote wisely in the nxt General Election.

 

[The_Latest_H]

You are retarded most of the times but I am still glad that you support our FT policy.

I don't support your policy, for the record. What I meant was that we need to seek a balance between the local population, and outside immigrants, without resorting to xenophobic/protectionist reasons & behaviour.

Until we have a quota system, the status quo policy isn't going to help this country very much.

 

[Royston46]

For the threadstarter Clit!

:oIo: :oIo: :oIo:

 

[miosux]

I can forsee that without MM Lee's visionary Foreign Talent policy, in 30 years' time, there will be no first class workforce and we will revert back to our fishing village status.

Without the FT policy, in 30 years' time, you can be sure that the majority of the populace will just while their time away playing guitar,football and hip-hop dancing at void decks and the elites like me will fled these shores.

1. agree with clinton666
2. can't wait for him to leave these shores so i can play my guitar in peace

rock never die!

 

[johnny333]

1. agree with clinton666
2. can't wait for him to leave these shores so i can play my guitar in peace

rock never die!

When the PAP stops trying to be the HUB of this & HUB of that, World Class this & World class that, we 'lesser mortals' can be left alone to live our simple lives

 

[Einfield]

You retarded dog :oIo:

I know what's on your mind. You want the British to rule Singapore again so that you can suck on your fav big white cocks just like your mother did 50 years ago.

MM Lee kicked out the British colonial dogs, he will never allowed Singapore to be ruled by Kwailos.:oIo:

He is a traitor serving the japs so don't hide that part of the story.

 

[saratogas]

We need FTs to clear our rubbish every morning.