Singapore goes to war with China...

[myo539]

What if Singapore goes to war with China? Unthinkable? I can think of three likely senarios. Those who are anti-FTs may wish to vent your views. Pro-FTs can proffer your views too. Differing views will add variety to the arguments.

Scenario 1
Then DPM Lee visited Taiwan in 2004 and met Taiwanese officials. This infuriated China, and said it "harms China's core interests" and it would have "consequences". After some token protests and actions, the Chinese gave face because LKY is his father, and is useful to China because he could explain the Chinese situation convincingly to America and Europe who love to listen to him talk about China.

Scenario 2
Japan patrol boat collided with a Chinese fishing boat in the Senkaku Island. Chinese boat sank, and all crew members perished. China sent warships and submarines to the Islands to confront Jap patrol boats. Singapore reiterated peaceful resolution. China viewed this as tacitly unsupportive of China. China issued warnings that those who did not support her, or condemn Japan, is her enemy. China sent more patrol boats and submarines to the Paracel Islands to lay claim. US 7th fleet aircraft carrier and escorts depart from Changi and headed north. This infuriates the Chinese, who warn of "consequences" for this "unfriendly act".

Scenario 3
China, economically most powerful now, flexes her muscles and becomes more belligerent with its new aircraft carrier. Wants to claim islands in the Paracel and Spratly for marine resources and oil and gas underneath. Send warships and patrol boats and station PLA troops on islands claimed by Malaysia, Philippines, Brunei, Thailand, Vietnam - all ASEAN members. Asean issues strong protest condemning China - Singapore also a signatory. China angry with ASEAN and Singapore in particular.

US Aircraft carrier USS George Washington and escort ships on R&R and refuelling and replenishing supplies in Changi, take off north with much fanfare from western media. China angrier. Concludes that Singapore is in collusion with US imperialist. Expels ambassador from Beijing. Arrest some Singaporean workers in Suzhou and Shanghai for espionage. Chinese PRs and Chinese FTs in Singapore hold protests and demonstrate in many places. Many down tools. Loyal Singaporeans accuse Chinese PRs of ungratefulness, disloyalty and being traitors and throw stones at PRCs living in Geylang area, and Singapore bosses fire Chinese workers on reason of poor business from China. Technically Singapore is at war with China. China wants to make Singapore a whipping boy to taunt USA. Incidentently SM Lee not around anymore to champion for Singapore.

Possible? Probable? Probably? Unlikely? Never know? Anything can happen to small red dot.

 

[Ramseth]

There're only two countries in the world which can go to war with PRC one-to-one with sanely odds, i.e. USA and Russia. The entire ASEAN gang up is also no match for PLA.

The most powerful ASEAN army, Vietnam, can at most hold their own borders to the death, no chance of penetrating Guangxi and Guangdong. The most powerful ASEAN navy, Thailand, with aircraft carrier, can't sail beyond Hainan and HK. The most powerful ASEAN air force, Singapore, can't fly beyond Thailand.

There's only one possible scenario of technical state of war between Singapore and PRC, i.e. USA goes to war with PRC and Singapore sides with USA. But that's going to cause a big domestic turmoil in Singapore even without a single bullet landing here, i.e. the reaction from the big PRC population here.

 

[longbow]

I prefer to look at things from economic point of view. After all weapons and training cost a lot of money. Just the huge GDP of China and the relative low cost in China will spur them ahead.

Avg US soldier cost their gov $50K a year when you factor in room and board, pensions and medical benefit. Avg PLA soldier likely cost $5K a year. So if the Chinese spend $1B it is like US spending $10B.

I think what the region is afraid of is that in 20 years, the Chinese economy is going to be so big in Asia and its military footprint will reflect that size, too.

But of course the US has been spending at this level for the past 50 years.

There're only two countries in the world which can go to war with PRC one-to-one with sanely odds, i.e. USA and Russia. The entire ASEAN gang up is also no match for PLA.

The most powerful ASEAN army, Vietnam, can at most hold their own borders to the death, no chance of penetrating Guangxi and Guangdong. The most powerful ASEAN navy, Thailand, with aircraft carrier, can't sail beyond Hainan and HK. The most powerful ASEAN air force, Singapore, can't fly beyond Thailand.

There's only one possible scenario of technical state of war between Singapore and PRC, i.e. USA goes to war with PRC and Singapore sides with USA. But that's going to cause a big domestic turmoil in Singapore even without a single bullet landing here, i.e. the reaction from the big PRC population here.

 

[Ramseth]

To put things in balanced perspective, PLA can't reach Singapore too. It's combat range is hardly a fraction of what Japan had in WW2. Japan was then capable of reaching Australia, that was why Australian soldiers fought and died to stop them at Singapore and Indonesia. PLA today can be said to be practically untouchable at borderlands around PRC. But still, they don't have the naval and amphibious power.

Economically, if PRC dump their US Treasury holdings in open market regardless of the losses (i.e. "cut loss") we'd not be talking about the possibility of USD/SGD parity anymore, we'd be talking about USD/MYR parity or even USD/HKD parity.

 

[palden]

They numbers in Sg now can already occupy us. No need to send PLA la. Imagine tomorrow no more PRC in Sg? Imagine not more PRC at KTVs and Geylang, our entertainment industry will collapse followed by our economy.

 

[mayliewwan]

Care to speculate will the RMB be worth more than the dollar or join the dollar in a free fall???

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Economically, if PRC dump their US Treasury holdings in open market regardless of the losses (i.e. "cut loss") we'd not be talking about the possibility of USD/SGD parity anymore, we'd be talking about USD/MYR parity or even USD/HKD parity.

 

[High Command]

No need. All China needs to do is do a strict check for all Singapore bound exports and you will see our leaders fall on bended knees.

 

[Jah_rastafar_I]

nice Scenario a small freaking island that's 75% chinese warring with china.


It's like england going to war with the USA.

 

[KuanTi01]

Ramseth says Thailand's navy is most potent in Asean presumably because of its hardware! It has an aircraft carrier built by Sweden and in that sense, it is even better than China who has none at least until 2014. However I understand that Thailand's aircraft carrier is more or less mothballed.

On a separate note, don't talk about outbreak of war bet. Singapore and China.We don't even have the balls to occupy Johor or even Batam! We excel only in war gaming!

 

[cleareyes]

Ramseth says Thailand's navy is most potent in Asean presumably because of its hardware! It has an aircraft carrier built by Sweden and in that sense, it is even better than China who has none at least until 2014. However I understand that Thailand's aircraft carrier is more or less mothballed.

The thai jump-jet carrier was not built by Sweden as Sweden had never built a carrier in their whole naval history.

HTMS Chakri Naruebet, based on the Spanish Navy's Principe de Asturias-class design and constructed by Spanish shipbuilder Bazán, Chakri Naruebet was ordered in 1992, launched in 1996, and commissioned into the RTN in 1997.

 

[KuanTi01]

The thai jump-jet carrier was not built by Sweden as Sweden had never built a carrier in their whole naval history.

HTMS Chakri Naruebet, based on the Spanish Navy's Principe de Asturias-class design and constructed by Spanish shipbuilder Bazán, Chakri Naruebet was ordered in 1992, launched in 1996, and commissioned into the RTN in 1997.

Oops!Sorry. I got it wrong then. Thinking too much of Swedish submarine technology.

 

[Cruxx]

And how will it affect quitters like me?

 

[Emperor Palpatine]

What if Singapore goes to war with China?

David versus Goliath. It will never happen. If it does, LKY will order sinkies to succumb and bend down. You are good at it aren't you?

 

[Jah_rastafar_I]

Singapore vs China?

Are you mad?


On other news stories i read of a small 10 yr old kid wanting to fight a UFC champion

 

[Kid278]

Singapore vs China?

Are you mad?

Most singaporeans will run away without a fight. Its generals top down dont even have combat experience. It's wonder if they can ever defend. All it takes is a few hours of air raids and singapore will be on its knees.

 

[cheowyonglee]

Singapore vs China?

Are you mad?


On other news stories i read of a small 10 yr old kid wanting to fight a UFC champion

well, i dont think a war with 'communist ruled' china is consider a good choice.
well, think about it sincerely, guys... what you all think of china???
are we chinese?yes we are!!! without china, there wont be us.
our culture, langauge, fengshui... iching.. yong chun quan, kungfu, taiji quan...
the romance of the three kingdom.. etc.. alot alot.These are our heritage.And we are proud of them.But but, remember this guys, China is China and China not = Communist!

Hear me out first before u guys want to make nasty remark on me again.
If only at that time, Mao lost to Chiang Republic Of China, i think the world will be much more a better place.

Think about it, culture revolution had a big backward on all the chinese moral behave and thinking.Under the commie education, they mind were too warlike.

if u guys compare ROC ruled Taiwan and communist ruled china, you guys will know the difference.

communist make north korea, burma, vietnam... all these countries communist too and make their citizens so poor.

a war with china, is possible only if ... we were to side with republic of china still in taiwan.have a plan with them..., ask our leader to make plan with ROC taiwan ... to fight back to china and drive out the communist from china.

to win china, is easy.but need time and plan.need to do it fast and make it a one point strike.

as i say, alot of things... can be done if planning and timing is right.
communist got alot of soldiers, but that doesnt matter in the technology we have today.one small nuclear armed missle can wipe out an entire camp of soldiers.so what if u got millions of soldiers???think about it...

 

[FuzzyDude]

Most singaporeans will run away without a fight. Its generals top down dont even have combat experience. It's wonder if they can ever defend. All it takes is a few hours of air raids and singapore will be on its knees.

And how would you know ???
Have you even fired a gun before ? Your little peewee gun don't count !

 

[Cestbon]

All here talk Singapore fighting war. That will not happen, if war really start less than 2hr, Singapore will surrender. Because just a few bomb on the air base will criple the whole army.
So stop thinking about war. Many still brain wash by NS, can win the war with Indo/Malaysia.

 

[Ramseth]

Cpt. Goh just told me. China just send a submarine to nuke Singapore. It's game over.

 

[Sideswipe]

If Singapore goes to war with China, it's not hard to predict who will win. We have many useless officers and men like that Captain Goh but luckily they are in the minority of our excellent fighting force.
Top secret CPC military records [warfare simulation] revealed the kill ratio of a China-Singapore war is 50 to 1 in SG favor. That mean 1 SAF soldier will kill 50 PRC soldiers before he is killed. 1 SAF brigade can take out 1 PRC corp.
game over for China.