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Singapore cheaper than Stockholm

trulysingapore

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I refer to the Straits Times article “Singapore cheaper than Stockholm” dated 26 Sept 2009 which featured Mr Mikael Huss from Stockholm telling us how much cheaper Singapore is compared to Stockholm.

Mr Huss vouched that back in Stockholm, it is nearly impossible for a household to survive on a single income, so he found it ’surprising’ that his family could get by on a single income after moving to Singapore. He concludes that “Stockholm’s living cost is much higher”.

But according to the UBS comparison on prices and wages, which is the subject of the accompanying Straits Times report “How much is a burger worth?”, the price level in Stockholm excluding rent is only 87.0, not “much higher” than Singapore’s 82.0, contrary to what Mr Huss says.

Mr Huss added that “everything is cheaper here except maybe rent and childcare”. The question we want to ask Mr Huss is, what is the point of counting the price of everything except rent? Will that exclude Mr Huss from paying rent? Certainly not! So if we consider rent as well, UBS’s findings tell us that the price level in Stockholm is actually 65.5, lower than Singapore’s 70.7. Therefore, Singapore is in fact more expensive than Stockholm, contrary to what Mr Huss or the title the article would like you to believe.

Furthermore, what is the point of comparing price levels without also comparing wages? The UBS findings show that Stockholm’s wage level is 74.5, way above Singapore’s wage level of 26.8. In other words, while prices of goods are similar between the two countries, Stockholmers earn three times as much as us! So it is indeed unthinkable how Mr Huss should find it nearly impossible to survive in Stockholm yet finds it easy to do so here when the average wage in Stockholm is three times that in Singapore!

Mr Huss also claims that taxes in Stockholm were higher. But according to UBS findings, the net wage level (that is net of taxes) in Stockholm is 71.0 while the corresponding figure for Singapore is 31.3. In other words, despite Stockholm’s higher taxes, their take home pay is still much higher than those in Singapore, more than two times that of Singapore’s in fact.

All in all, it is hard to believe what Mr Huss says. And that is the problem with personal anecdotal evidences, they are not necessarily reflective of the general situation at large.
 

hockbeng

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I refer to the Straits Times article “Singapore cheaper than Stockholm” dated 26 Sept 2009 which featured Mr Mikael Huss from Stockholm telling us how much cheaper Singapore is compared to Stockholm.

Mr Huss vouched that back in Stockholm, it is nearly impossible for a household to survive on a single income, so he found it ’surprising’ that his family could get by on a single income after moving to Singapore. He concludes that “Stockholm’s living cost is much higher”.

But according to the UBS comparison on prices and wages, which is the subject of the accompanying Straits Times report “How much is a burger worth?”, the price level in Stockholm excluding rent is only 87.0, not “much higher” than Singapore’s 82.0, contrary to what Mr Huss says.

Mr Huss added that “everything is cheaper here except maybe rent and childcare”. The question we want to ask Mr Huss is, what is the point of counting the price of everything except rent? Will that exclude Mr Huss from paying rent? Certainly not! So if we consider rent as well, UBS’s findings tell us that the price level in Stockholm is actually 65.5, lower than Singapore’s 70.7. Therefore, Singapore is in fact more expensive than Stockholm, contrary to what Mr Huss or the title the article would like you to believe.

Furthermore, what is the point of comparing price levels without also comparing wages? The UBS findings show that Stockholm’s wage level is 74.5, way above Singapore’s wage level of 26.8. In other words, while prices of goods are similar between the two countries, Stockholmers earn three times as much as us! So it is indeed unthinkable how Mr Huss should find it nearly impossible to survive in Stockholm yet finds it easy to do so here when the average wage in Stockholm is three times that in Singapore!

Mr Huss also claims that taxes in Stockholm were higher. But according to UBS findings, the net wage level (that is net of taxes) in Stockholm is 71.0 while the corresponding figure for Singapore is 31.3. In other words, despite Stockholm’s higher taxes, their take home pay is still much higher than those in Singapore, more than two times that of Singapore’s in fact.

All in all, it is hard to believe what Mr Huss says. And that is the problem with personal anecdotal evidences, they are not necessarily reflective of the general situation at large.

This guy probably trying to get dual citizenship; so trumpet what PAP wants to hear!

His rent & childrens education probably paid by his Company.

He is earning swedish salary while staying in Spore.
 

po2wq

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Singapore cheaper than Stockholm

by Lynn Kan

AFTER moving to Singapore in 2007, researcher Mikael Huss was surprised that it was possible to get by on a single income here.

It was a near-impossibility in Stockholm, where he worked for seven years.

'In Stockholm, almost all households are dual-income. Somehow, I've encountered a lot more families here where only one person, usually the man, is working,' says the 35-year-old Swede, whose wife is a stay-at-home mother to their two children, aged two and five.

His pay, as a bioinformatics researcher at the Genome Institute of Singapore, is 'above average, but more typical of a local salary than a standard salary for a Western expatriate'.

In Stockholm, his pay was lower. Furthermore, taxes there were higher, and with Stockholm being a more expensive city to live in, his wife needed to work as a tour guide to supplement the family income.

'It was not enough to live on without added income from my wife. After we had kids, all our money went to housing, expenses, food and a car (a family model Fiat),' says Dr Huss.

In Singapore, his family is able to spend more on food.

Meals at a coffee shop cost about $3 to $5 a person. Even if his family goes to a restaurant, the bill amounts to about $20 a head.

This was hardly the case in Sweden.

'In Stockholm, you'll be hard-pressed to find any meal, except for fast food, below $15 per person. A McDonald's meal costs around $9 a person.

'We would almost always cook at home in Stockholm and eat in 'proper' restaurants on more festive occasions for maybe $50 per person,' says Dr Huss.

Taking a taxi was also a luxury in Stockholm, unlike in Singapore, where he takes a cab every day. A taxi ride in Singapore costs one-fifth of what he would have had to fork out in Stockholm.

While it is costly to own a car in Singapore, Dr Huss says Stockholm has car tax and congestion charges that make owning one expensive too.

But one additional expense since he moved here is childcare.

In Sweden, he did not have to pay for childcare as the Swedish government funds childcare centres so that women can continue to work.

In Singapore, one-quarter of his income goes to his two children's childcare - a sum that he thinks is equivalent to the Swedish childcare tax.

'Stockholm's living cost is much higher, but the average income is probably higher. Really, everything is cheaper here except maybe rent and childcare,' says Dr Huss.
 

po2wq

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AFTER moving to Singapore in 2007, researcher Mikael Huss was surprised that it was possible to get by on a single income here. ...
ah mikael ...

u working as a researcher here ...

y dun u work as a toilet cleaner here n c whether u still can get by wif wat u claimed anot? ... :rolleyes:
 

yinyang

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..price level in Stockholm excluding rent is only 87.0, not “much higher” than Singapore’s 82.0, contrary to what Mr Huss says.
..net wage level (that is net of taxes) in Stockholm is 71.0 while the corresponding figure for Singapore is 31.3. In other words, despite Stockholm’s higher taxes, their take home pay is still much higher than those in Singapore, more than two times that of Singapore’s in fact.
..And that is the problem with personal anecdotal evidences, they are not necessarily reflective of the general situation at large.
Spot on on anecdotal pieces like this. Different standards of living (and quality of life for swedes).

And with his perks here, and lower tax incidence.. no brainer on his stretching his kroner (oops, euro). Like comparing his daily akuavit (local brew) vs our tiger beer. Or his saab or volvo vs our protons
 

AddinMedia

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Since he is here, he is bias on his comment.

True, single income families are rare, probably due to their life style. A lot of them seems to own a second home for summer or winter retreat and their weekends are full of activities instead of spending behind the telly or food court.:rolleyes: The wife also do not have to resign to look after their kid, since they have year long maternity leave, and is not uncommon for some to stay on paid leave away for a couple of years. Man too can have paternity leave too.:biggrin::biggrin:

The Swedes have much narrower income gap, so it is not surprising that the average executive pay is lower then us, however the lower rung is much higher. You can't compare taxes apple to apple, as their tax includes the pension element, health care benefit, free childcare, free schooling and meals etc...

For the price of a 4 rm pigeon hole, you can get a nice terrace/semi-d. In Sweden they associate those cluster of high rise housing as some sort of slump area with high crime rate, more for immigrant and broken families.

If you are working in Stockholm town, hardly anyone drive even though most families have cars. Not uncommon to meet your CEO or head of Department on a train/Mrt. Outside of that, lots of guys don't drive, simply because they would want to have a booze after work ( due to heavy fine or social responsibility ), or after a late night out drinking they want to avoid being caught in the morning ( yes, the traffic police are rather active in the morning taking your breath). Therefore cost of owning a car, is not likely due to the various charges as he claims. I wonder any country comes close to Singapore, in terms of cost of owning a car.

I don't have a problem finding eatery offering less then $6 for a no frill meal, you can have a full size kebab ( twice the ingredient and size here ) or from some cheap Asian canteen. But not cheaper then a plate of Char Kway Teow. However, the cost of food in our air-con cafe is comparable or even more expensive to similar outlet in Stockholm.

I am puzzle that time and time again our MSM tries to compare to some European countries and conclude that we are still much cheaper. Are we still living in the past?:rolleyes:
 

trulysingapore

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It's sad that we have a govt that actually uses foreigners to denigrate us. They're welcomed with open arms while we end up having to pay more due to price increases. i don't mind if the pie is actually enlarged as the govt purports. but it seems like the number of mouths to feed increased more than the pie got enlarged.

lousy policy. simply shows that the govt has no better idea than to mindlessly increase and increase the workforce.
 

yinyang

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...probably due to their life style. A lot of them seems to own a second home for summer or winter retreat ...
..wife also do not have to resign to look after their kid, since they have year long maternity leave, and is not uncommon for some to stay on paid leave away for a couple of years. Man too can have paternity leave too.:
...Swedes have much narrower income gap:
What a bummer. Swedes definitely in a socialist cocoon. True, wages are in a narrow band (the plumber and engineer comparison, unlike sg).

Also ask why norwegians cross over the border for cheaper meats and booze:p Talk about bigmac index and income parity. Also, a Gothernberg apartment has not reached the heights of our private condos here:rolleyes:
 

Don Muthuswamy

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Of course lah. This chao Ang Moh will find Singapore cheaper because

1. He will be earning expat salary.
2. He will have car and accomodation provided for by his company.
3. He could send his kids to international school and that will be paid for by his company.
4. His maid will be paid by his company.
5. He could travel for business cum entertainment with his family and that will be paid for by his company.

So what has he got to spend on? His salary will only be his pocket money. And on top of everything else, he will also be getting expat allowance. So of course Singaproe for him will be cheaper.

No wonder the Japanese expats in my company don't want to go back to Japan and like to stay in Singapore.
 
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