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Pinkieslut

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Thailand's foreign retirees see their good life slip away
Surging baht and new rules dull the country's allure for budget-minded expats
March 05, 2020 14:31 JST
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PATTAYA, Thailand -- From the mountains of Chiang Mai to the beaches of Phuket, Thailand has long been a draw for foreign retirees wishing to spend their golden years in tropical bliss. But for the many who have enjoyed paradise on the cheap, their dreams are ebbing away as the country opens up to a wealthier class of retirees.
The Thai baht rose to a six-year high against the dollar last year to become one of the world's most stable currencies. Though it has depreciated in the past two months, it is still significantly stronger compared to three or four years ago. Seen as a safe bet amid the U.S.-China trade war, the baht has caused visitor numbers to drop and hotel occupancy rates to halve.
But for those living here on fixed savings or pensions, the baht's strength has decimated their income. British expats have lost about 30% of their purchasing power following the pound's plummet in the wake of Brexit.
The financial squeeze comes amid changes to visa rules for retirees. As of February last year, foreigners must have a security deposit of 800,000 baht ($25,364) in a Thai bank account for two months prior to application or a monthly income of 65,000 baht; or a combination of the two totaling 800,000 baht.
Applicants must now also have health insurance. For someone aged 75, for example, that is a "big problem" as the premium could be as much as 100,000 baht per month, said Sebastian Brousseau, CEO of Isaan Lawyers.
The stringent regulations have caught many elderly expats used to a free and easy lifestyle off guard, with many fearing for their future. Here in Pattaya, a coastal city with a big retired community, the sense of desperation is palpable.
"Life in Pattaya has been getting worse for people ever since the economic crisis and since a few years ago," said Leng Leng, who runs Mercy Pattaya, a local Christian charity.
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Two men watch the world go by in Pattaya, a coastal resort with a big foreign community that is being squeezed by a strong baht and new visa rules. (Photo by George Styllis)
Pattaya has been a haven for expats ever since American servicemen flocked here for sun and sleaze during the Vietnam War, turning a sleepy fishing village into Asia's sin city.
Gerry, a U.S. Navy veteran who declined to give his last name, first visited back then and has stayed ever since. At 83, alone and estranged from his family, Gerry has built his life here. But barely able to cover his living costs, let alone the deposit he now needs for a visa, he feels trapped, having been "out of the U.S. system" for more than 30 years.
"I'm too old and too scared to go anywhere else," he said.
Gerry does not own property here, but for those who do, a downturn in the real estate market has dashed their chances of a quick sell.
Demand for properties has waned since last year as many expats, disgruntled with Thailand's tightening immigration system, have moved to other parts of Asia, while China has imposed new controls to curb capital flight, said Jean Charles, the founder of TwoFlat Real Estate. The situation has intensified Thailand's glut, which is set to worsen with arrival numbers decimated by the new coronavirus.
Yet amid this turmoil, the country has been unflinching in its bid to capitalize on the world's aging populations, promoting Thailand, with its sunny weather and affordable health care, as a place to age with dignity.
Thailand issued almost 80,000 retirement visas in 2018, an increase of 30% from 2014, with Britons accounting for the bulk.
Research by Kasikornthai Bank estimated that in 2016, there were 68,300 foreigners over 50 years old holding long-stay visas, a 9% increase over the preceding two years.
The market's niche but lucrative potential is prompting huge investment from health care operators.
The Thonburi Healthcare Group launched Jin Well-being County in 2018, a 3.7-billion baht retirement city complete with a hospital and apartments aimed at wealthy Thais and Asians. The group plans to build a 43-hectare facility in Krabi targeting largely Westerners in the coming years, said Jin Well-being manager Ken Chen.
"It'll be more like a five-star hotel," said Chen.
At 99,000 baht per sq. meter, Jin Well-being's apartments are not cheap, but for foreigners they could help bypass some of the stringent retirement visa rules, said Chen.
Bolstering this bid for wealthy retirees, the government has been successfully promoting an elite visa scheme, with options for five-, 10- and 20-year visas ranging from 500,000 baht to 2 million baht.
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A resort in Thailand. © AP
Applications among retirees jumped on average 34% between 2016 and 2019 amid record growth, after citizenship advisory firm Henley & Partners Group was appointed as exclusive global concessionaire for the program.
By avoiding the need for annual renewal, the elite visas offer "longer-term certainty" for those wishing to live or invest here, along with other "bells and whistles," said Dominic Volek, Henley's Head of Southeast Asia.
The bid to lure wealthier individuals has made many here feel they are being squeezed out, said Darren Low, owner of The Sportsman pub in Pattaya.
Yet Low is hopeful that with Thai economic growth dropping to a five-year low last year and tourist arrivals forecast to drop as much as 50%, the government might look to expats to buffer the economic impact.
A positive sign came earlier this year when the government quietly dropped a revived immigration law that drew heavy criticism, days after China announced a ban on overseas tours to contain the coronavirus.
Meanwhile, relief from the baht is expected after it softened at the start of the year, following the central bank's announcement that it will relax rules on capital outflows to weaken the currency.
Yet Low has noticed many around him have already abandoned themselves to despair, drinking heavily as their once-rosy vision of Thailand turns bleak.
"People are just deteriorating," said Low.
Even if the government does throw them a lifeline, it may be too late. "It probably already is," he said.
 

glockman

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Those gian png AMDK deserve it! Can't make it in their home country and try to live on the cheap in other countries. And think themselves superior to the locals. Fucking farangs!
 

laksaboy

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Those gian png AMDK deserve it! Can't make it in their home country and try to live on the cheap in other countries. And think themselves superior to the locals. Fucking farangs!

Not all of them cannot make it. Some of them genuinely prefer the warmer climate and the more feminine women.

Ang moh women also age faster than Asian women.
 

Froggy

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Although I am not AMDK I do feel that I’m getting less while paying more. Poor me, it’s affecting my health as I have to cut down on my therapy.
 

mojito

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Although I am not AMDK I do feel that I’m getting less while paying more. Poor me, it’s affecting my health as I have to cut down on my therapy.
Come back to Singapore. You will reassess what paying more getting less truly means. :cautious:
 

ToaPehGong

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Please do not make fat fugly CB face Kirsten Han angry by bad mouthing AMDK cos they are the best.
AMDK.jpg
 

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Thailand's foreign retirees see their good life slip away
Surging baht and new rules dull the country's allure for budget-minded expats
March 05, 2020 14:31 JST
https%3A%2F%2Fs3-ap-northeast-1.amazonaws.com%2Fpsh-ex-ftnikkei-3937bb4%2Fimages%2F3%2F0%2F3%2F2%2F25352303-1-eng-GB%2Fpattaya%20beach.jpg

PATTAYA, Thailand -- From the mountains of Chiang Mai to the beaches of Phuket, Thailand has long been a draw for foreign retirees wishing to spend their golden years in tropical bliss. But for the many who have enjoyed paradise on the cheap, their dreams are ebbing away as the country opens up to a wealthier class of retirees.
The Thai baht rose to a six-year high against the dollar last year to become one of the world's most stable currencies. Though it has depreciated in the past two months, it is still significantly stronger compared to three or four years ago. Seen as a safe bet amid the U.S.-China trade war, the baht has caused visitor numbers to drop and hotel occupancy rates to halve.
But for those living here on fixed savings or pensions, the baht's strength has decimated their income. British expats have lost about 30% of their purchasing power following the pound's plummet in the wake of Brexit.
The financial squeeze comes amid changes to visa rules for retirees. As of February last year, foreigners must have a security deposit of 800,000 baht ($25,364) in a Thai bank account for two months prior to application or a monthly income of 65,000 baht; or a combination of the two totaling 800,000 baht.
Applicants must now also have health insurance. For someone aged 75, for example, that is a "big problem" as the premium could be as much as 100,000 baht per month, said Sebastian Brousseau, CEO of Isaan Lawyers.
The stringent regulations have caught many elderly expats used to a free and easy lifestyle off guard, with many fearing for their future. Here in Pattaya, a coastal city with a big retired community, the sense of desperation is palpable.
"Life in Pattaya has been getting worse for people ever since the economic crisis and since a few years ago," said Leng Leng, who runs Mercy Pattaya, a local Christian charity.
https%3A%2F%2Fs3-ap-northeast-1.amazonaws.com%2Fpsh-ex-ftnikkei-3937bb4%2Fimages%2F_aliases%2Farticleimage%2F1%2F0%2F2%2F2%2F25352201-1-eng-GB%2F2%20men%20.jpg
Two men watch the world go by in Pattaya, a coastal resort with a big foreign community that is being squeezed by a strong baht and new visa rules. (Photo by George Styllis)
Pattaya has been a haven for expats ever since American servicemen flocked here for sun and sleaze during the Vietnam War, turning a sleepy fishing village into Asia's sin city.
Gerry, a U.S. Navy veteran who declined to give his last name, first visited back then and has stayed ever since. At 83, alone and estranged from his family, Gerry has built his life here. But barely able to cover his living costs, let alone the deposit he now needs for a visa, he feels trapped, having been "out of the U.S. system" for more than 30 years.
"I'm too old and too scared to go anywhere else," he said.
Gerry does not own property here, but for those who do, a downturn in the real estate market has dashed their chances of a quick sell.
Demand for properties has waned since last year as many expats, disgruntled with Thailand's tightening immigration system, have moved to other parts of Asia, while China has imposed new controls to curb capital flight, said Jean Charles, the founder of TwoFlat Real Estate. The situation has intensified Thailand's glut, which is set to worsen with arrival numbers decimated by the new coronavirus.
Yet amid this turmoil, the country has been unflinching in its bid to capitalize on the world's aging populations, promoting Thailand, with its sunny weather and affordable health care, as a place to age with dignity.
Thailand issued almost 80,000 retirement visas in 2018, an increase of 30% from 2014, with Britons accounting for the bulk.
Research by Kasikornthai Bank estimated that in 2016, there were 68,300 foreigners over 50 years old holding long-stay visas, a 9% increase over the preceding two years.
The market's niche but lucrative potential is prompting huge investment from health care operators.
The Thonburi Healthcare Group launched Jin Well-being County in 2018, a 3.7-billion baht retirement city complete with a hospital and apartments aimed at wealthy Thais and Asians. The group plans to build a 43-hectare facility in Krabi targeting largely Westerners in the coming years, said Jin Well-being manager Ken Chen.
"It'll be more like a five-star hotel," said Chen.
At 99,000 baht per sq. meter, Jin Well-being's apartments are not cheap, but for foreigners they could help bypass some of the stringent retirement visa rules, said Chen.
Bolstering this bid for wealthy retirees, the government has been successfully promoting an elite visa scheme, with options for five-, 10- and 20-year visas ranging from 500,000 baht to 2 million baht.
https%3A%2F%2Fs3-ap-northeast-1.amazonaws.com%2Fpsh-ex-ftnikkei-3937bb4%2Fimages%2F_aliases%2Farticleimage%2F0%2F7%2F6%2F5%2F25345670-1-eng-GB%2FAP_17101522806742_2048x1152.jpg
A resort in Thailand. © AP
Applications among retirees jumped on average 34% between 2016 and 2019 amid record growth, after citizenship advisory firm Henley & Partners Group was appointed as exclusive global concessionaire for the program.
By avoiding the need for annual renewal, the elite visas offer "longer-term certainty" for those wishing to live or invest here, along with other "bells and whistles," said Dominic Volek, Henley's Head of Southeast Asia.
The bid to lure wealthier individuals has made many here feel they are being squeezed out, said Darren Low, owner of The Sportsman pub in Pattaya.
Yet Low is hopeful that with Thai economic growth dropping to a five-year low last year and tourist arrivals forecast to drop as much as 50%, the government might look to expats to buffer the economic impact.
A positive sign came earlier this year when the government quietly dropped a revived immigration law that drew heavy criticism, days after China announced a ban on overseas tours to contain the coronavirus.
Meanwhile, relief from the baht is expected after it softened at the start of the year, following the central bank's announcement that it will relax rules on capital outflows to weaken the currency.
Yet Low has noticed many around him have already abandoned themselves to despair, drinking heavily as their once-rosy vision of Thailand turns bleak.
"People are just deteriorating," said Low.
Even if the government does throw them a lifeline, it may be too late. "It probably already is," he said.

These fucking cheap old and fat angmo complain for fuck? They don't want to pay for health insurance? So, they expect the Thai govt to pay their hospital and medical bills ah? They already in the country to live cheap cheap, fuck thai pootang for free, and still don't want to pay for insurance?
 

glockman

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Not all of them cannot make it. Some of them genuinely prefer the warmer climate and the more feminine women.

Ang moh women also age faster than Asian women.
Those are in the minutest minority. Even then, they lord over their Asian woman and expect to be treated like kings. Those Americans and Canadians who can make it and prefer warmer climate can move south to FL, or in Southern Europe if he's a European. The successful ones will marry an Asian and then bring her back to his home country.
 

Hypocrite-The

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These oldies can go mudland..

MM2H programme receives 7,904 applications in 2019, says Motac

Motac is still reviewing some of its policies to attract more applicants in the future

by HARIZAH KAMEL/ pic by TMR FILE

THE country received some 7,904 applications for the Malaysia My Second Home (MM2H) programme in 2019, the highest ever achieved since 2012, according to the Ministry of Tourism, Arts and Culture (Motac).

Its deputy secretary general Mohd Zamri Mat Zain said Chinese nationals command to dominant participation in the programme accounting for more than 35% of total numbers of approved applicants.

“The success of this programme, however, is not without challenges, especially in terms of getting the quality candidates into the programme that have to evolve with trends and preferences of its market,” he said at the MM2H meet and greet event in Kuala Lumpur (KL) yesterday.

The remainder of the top 10 participations in 2019 are from South Korea, Hong Kong, Japan, Bangladesh, the UK, Singapore, the US, Taiwan and India.

The MM2H programme is among the popular residence programmes and has approved more than 48,000 participants to date.

Mohd Zamri said the government has to study and develop pull factors to attract future potential markets because different nationalities have different preferences.

MM2H director Datin Sharifah Ikhlas Syed Ismail AlJaffree said Motac is still reviewing some of its policies to attract more applicants in the future.

“It is ongoing. We are definitely looking at the engagement criteria that we have to do because it is very competitive.

“Now, when you look at this industry alone, there are 100 countries offering similar programmes with MM2H. In order for us to be competitive, we must know what the other countries are doing,” she said.

She said there have been changes in the MM2H incentives in the past that need to be reviewed again.

“We used to have tax exemption on cars until 2017, but they can also purchase or import cars. Besides that, the visa that we give to them is renewable after 10 years.

“Apart from spouses, they can also bring their parents, in-laws and children here. We also allow them to invest and do business whereby they do not play a main role as we do not allow them to seek employment here,” she added.


The majority of MM2H applicants are living in KL, Penang, Johor and Melaka, with Penang having more UK applicants than anywhere else.

Americans, Koreans and Singaporeans are in Johor, while the rest are scattered in KL and Selangor.

The MM2H programme made it easier for its applicants to live in Malaysia, as was the case with husband and wife, Graham and Jill Brown, both from the UK.

“We moved to Malaysia in 2009 and we never had any regrets at all,” said Graham.

One of the advantages of MM2H is that it gives foreigners access to property at a lower value. But not all states implement it, such as Negri Sembilan where the Browns are living.

“The problem is, they made it RM1 million strata title for foreigners, but there are no RM1 million strata properties in Negri Sembilan.

“We have a huge 15,000 sq ft property in Port Dickson, but 10 years ago when we came, we were still young to maintain it, now that we’re older, we want to scale down to a smaller property, but we can’t buy property in Negri Sembilan, because they made it impossible for foreigners to buy,” said the Browns.

Graham said other states like Perak and Sarawak made the sensible rule by offering RM350,000 and RM300,000 respectively for the minimum threshold for foreign residential property purchase under MM2H.

The Browns have invested at least RM1 million in renovations, staff, services and purchases in their property.

“There are thousands of foreigners who would invest in the area. We buy less than a quarter of 1% because foreigners don’t buy that many properties,” added Graham.

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why these old fucks don't retire in the Ukraine? Got angmo tualiap syt and cheap to live there too.
 
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