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Shot down US drone costs more than $100 million

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U.S. was reportedly ready to strike Iran after drone incident but held back


The United States abruptly called off preparations for a military strike against Iran over the downing of a U.S. surveillance drone, a U.S. official said, while Iran claimed Friday it had issued several warnings before shooting it down over what Iran said was its territory.

The Trump administration offered no immediate public account of the thinking behind the last-minute halt in U.S. preparations for retaliation, amid days of escalating tensions between the two countries. A U.S. official, who was not authorized to discuss the operation publicly and spoke on condition of anonymity, said the targets would have included radars and missile batteries.

The swift reversal was a stark reminder of the serious risk of military conflict between U.S. and Iranian forces as the Trump administration combines a "maximum pressure" campaign of economic sanctions with a buildup of American forces in the region. As tensions mounted in recent weeks, there have been growing fears that either side could make a dire miscalculation that led to war.


The downing of the U.S. drone — a U.S. Navy RQ-4A Global Hawk, an unmanned aircraft with a wingspan larger than a Boeing 737 jetliner and costing over $100 million — prompted accusations from the U.S. and Iran about who was the aggressor. Iran insisted the drone violated Iranian airspace; Washington said it had been flying over international waters.

On Friday, the head of Iran's Revolutionary Guard's aerospace division told Iranian state television that Iran had warned a U.S. military surveillance drone several times before launching a missile at it.

Gen. Amir Ali Hajizadeh told state TV: "Unfortunately they did not answer."

The state television website published images it said showed debris from the surveillance drone. The pictures show what appears to be the skin of the Global Hawk.

Iranian state television did not say where the debris was filmed.
 
The wingspan so large how to be stealth? Everybody will know you have been spying!
 
Only idiots would believe the drone was flying at International water. US F warship at Iran doorstep and dotard claimed it was an "unprovoked" attack?
 
Funny tat a drone cost more than an F35. Drones are used bcos they are supposed to be cheap, disposable and safe. An if a high tech drone can be shot down...just like tat...how can USA fight against Iran and win?
 
Donald Trump 'not looking for war' with Iran but promises 'obliteration' if there is conflict - Donald Trump's America
Updated about 3 hours ago
Donald Trump, Melania Trump, Mike Pence and Karen Pence stand on a balcony.
PHOTO US President Donald Trump has repeatedly said he does not want conflict with Iran. AP: JACQUELYN MARTIN
US President Donald Trump says he is not looking for war with Iran but has warned that if a conflict did occur, it would result in "obliteration".

"I'm not looking for war, and if there is it'll be obliteration like you've never seen before. But I'm not looking to do that," Mr Trump told NBC News in an interview a day after he aborted a planned air strike against Iranian targets in retaliation for Tehran shooting down a US drone.

Mr Trump said the US was within 10 minutes of conducting strikes against Iran on Thursday (local time) when he cancelled the operation.

He told NBC News that he never gave a final order — planes were not yet in the air but would have been "pretty soon".

He said military officials came to him about 30 minutes before the strikes were to be launched and asked him for his final approval.

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Wreckage that Iran says was retrieved after it shot down a US drone

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Before signing off, he said he asked how many Iranians would be killed and was told approximately 150.

"I thought about it for a second and I said, 'You know what? They shot down an unmanned drone, plane — whatever you want to call it — and here we are sitting with 150 dead people. That would have taken place probably within half an hour after I said 'go ahead'. And I didn't like it. I didn't think it was proportionate," he said.

Mr Trump's assertion that he learned only at the last minute of his military advisers' casualty estimate does not align with the usual way a president is briefed on military attack options.

An assessment of the likelihood of casualties, whether civilian or military, and a broad estimate of the number, normally are a major element of each option provided to the commander in chief.

A man in a green uniform looks at pieces of machinery reportedly from a shot down US drone.
PHOTO General Amir Ali Hajizadeh said the US drone was warned 10 minutes before the attack. AP: MEGHDAD MADADI/TASNIM NEWS AGENCY
Iran addressed the subject of casualties, too. General Amir Ali Hajizadeh, the head of the Revolutionary Guard's aerospace division, said that a US spy plane with around 35 crew members was flying close to the unmanned US Navy RQ-4A Global Hawk that was shot down, but that Iran chose not to target the manned aircraft.

He said Iran warned the drone several times before downing it with a missile.

The President's decision to call off the attack is a reminder that despite the escalation in tensions between Washington and Tehran in recent weeks, there is a realisation that military action, once underway, can quickly lead to unintended consequences, including large-scale war.

Mr Trump has said repeatedly he does not want war with Iran, but he has offered little insight into his strategy, beyond inviting Iran's leaders to call him to reopen nuclear negotiations.

His administration last year pulled out of the 2015 international agreement intended to curb the Iranian nuclear program, an agreement he strongly criticised as ineffective during his presidential campaign. He demanded negotiations for a new agreement, but there have been none.

Pressuring Iran, he launched a campaign of increasing economic pressure against the Islamic Republic, including cutting off its oil export revenues.

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Donald Trump is siding with his electioneers over John Bolton on Iran
By Washington bureau chief Zoe Daniel and Emily Olson
Updated about 9 hours ago

PHOTO: US President Donald Trump has not followed the hawkish views of Mike Pompeo and John Bolton. (AP: Evan Vucci)
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No shots were fired but a warning was issued.

The question that's now being asked is whether that was strategic or not?

After all, calling off a military strike when planes are in the air, 10 minutes from the target is, shall we say, not a common approach.

But then Donald Trump is rarely predictable.

"We were cocked & loaded to retaliate last night on 3 different sights (sic) when I asked, how many will die. 150 people, sir, was the answer from a General. 10 minutes before the strike I stopped it," he tweeted.​
It raises the question: Don't you think the President has asked about the likely human casualties a little earlier, given the potential for a fatal strike to precipitate a war?

Trump trying to stall as tensions with Iran near tipping point

It's possible the President is buying time publicly as he dukes it out with advisers backstage, writes Zoe Daniel.



And in that is another question: Whether the US actually intended to strike Iran or whether the admission that an attack was ordered and then aborted — a narrative that the White House was very keen to make public — is all part of the elaborate game of chicken going on between the two countries?

A warning shot that wasn't, if you like.

Either way, it's now pretty clear that Mr Trump is trying to avoid direct confrontation with Iran, in part because wars are expensive and unpopular.

That's despite his outright bullying rhetoric throughout his time in office and the fact that he restarted this cannonball rolling when he pulled out of the Iran nuclear agreement last year.

If it looks like a confusing, contradictory stance on the surface, remember what's going on behind the scenes: Mr Trump is being counselled by a group of hawkish advisers.

The loudest voice in his ear may well be that of National Security Adviser John Bolton.

Who is John Bolton?
PHOTO: National Security Adviser John Bolton has advocated a "maximum pressure" campaign on Iran. (AP: Evan Vucci)


The National Security Adviser has been described as a "hawk's hawk", the "hawkest of all hawks" and "a pterosaur".

Even conservatives have seen the 70-year-old as a controversial figure since he first worked under Ronald Reagan. Still, Mr Bolton has served as a national security official in every Republican administration since.

As the top arms official in George W Bush's State Department, Mr Bolton said Iran's nuclear weapons aspirations should be taken as seriously as those of Iraq or North Korea.




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#JohnBolton 8 months ago among MEK supporters tells them they will overthrow #Iran’s regime and celebrate in #Tehran with Bolton himself present, “before 2019”

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He later ramped up the rhetoric, calling the Bush administration's approach to Iran "four-and-a-half years of failed diplomacy" and later arguing in favour of bombing Iranian camps that were reportedly training insurgents to fight American troops in Iraq.

"This is not provocative or pre-emptive — this is entirely responsive," he said on Fox News in 2007.

"If we don't respond, the Iranians will take it as a sign of weakness."​
From 2012 to 2015 — during the building of the Obama-era nuclear deal — he repeatedly called for action against Iran, writing op-eds like To Stop Iran's Bomb, Bomb Iran and We cannot verify and must not trust Iran's promises.

He hasn't budged on his entrenched view that diplomatic talk is futile and regime change is necessary.

Bolton has contentious stances on North Korea, Venezuela
It's not the only controversial stance he's taken.

Mr Bolton was appointed US ambassador to the United Nations in 2005 but was forced to resign in 2006 because Senate Democrats refused to pass his nomination.


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He was removed from six-party talks on North Korea after calling then-leader Kim Jong-il a "tyrannical dictator" and saying that "life is hell" for North Koreans.

(North Korea said that "such a human scum and bloodsucker is not entitled to take part in the talks".)

As Venezuela's Maduro-Guaido standoff reached a peak, Mr Bolton privately urged the US military to intervene on Guaido's behalf — a move that Mr Trump described as getting "into a war" he didn't want.

Mr Bolton is an open critic of the UN, the International Criminal Court and other multinational organisations.

He once declared that the US was the world's "only real power".

Bolton has been accused of needlessly provoking Iran
Mr Bolton was not the first man to serve as Mr Trump's national security adviser, but rather the third.

The first two advisers did not share the President's views on opening an embassy in Jerusalem or ending the Iran nuclear deal. Mr Bolton stepped into the role in April 2018.


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The premise of Obama's #IranDeal was that if only the United States showed "good faith" and dropped our "harmful intent" toward Iran, they would give up their nuclear program and behave like a normal nation. None of this has happened.

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He lobbied hard for the US to pull out of the deal, which it did in May 2018.

He's since advocated for a "maximum pressure" campaign, as the US has steadily imposed harsher sanctions, squeezing the failing Iranian economy.

Along with Secretary of State Mike Pompeo, Mr Bolton rushed to designate Iran's Revolutionary Guard as a terrorist group against the objections of military officials.

He's been accused of needlessly provoking Iran and contriving pretexts for a full-on attack.

"He has strong views on things but that's okay," Mr Trump once said at a White House Press Conference.​
"I actually temper John, which is pretty amazing."

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VIDEO: Iran releases video claiming to show drone shootdown (ABC News)


Mr Pompeo has delivered private warnings intended for Tehran that a single US fatality would be a red line that would prompt the US to hit back.

Mr Trump cited the lack of US fatalities in yesterday's unmanned drone strike as a key factor in his decision not to fire back. "Not proportionate" was his characterisation.

Despite months of escalation, in the end, the President appears to be consulting his campaign team more than his advisers. One of his key 2016 promises was to end the conflict in the Middle East.

His non-interventionist "America First" allies celebrated his decision not to fire, saying it could help him win re-election.

As one former aide put it, "He was elected to end wars, not start them".

"Had he listened to Bolton and the rest of the hawks in the administration, it not only would have been disastrous policy-wise, it would have destroyed his chances of being re-elected in 2020."​
 
Warmongering and bloodthirsty Mike Pompous and John Bolton think they are both so smart and can play God! Hope they get executed next time by the war crimes tribunal or better still nuked by Kim Jong Un's rockets.
 
"On Friday, the head of Iran's Revolutionary Guard's aerospace division told Iranian state television that Iran had warned a U.S. military surveillance drone several times before launching a missile at it.
Gen. Amir Ali Hajizadeh told state TV: "Unfortunately they did not answer."

Can someone tell Gen. Amir...it is pilotless...
 
Stop listening to the anti-Trump fake news, made by activists rather than journalists. :rolleyes:

Listen to Scott Adams, whose analysis has always been spot-on.

 
Warmongering and bloodthirsty Mike Pompous and John Bolton think they are both so smart and can play God! Hope they get executed next time by the war crimes tribunal or better still nuked by Kim Jong Un's rockets.

Very unlikely lah. Bush got away scot free. He lied to the world Iraq had WMD. Now whos going to pay and account for those thousands n thousands nnocent iraqis who perished for nothing?
 
The world getting a bit boring. Should have some war to keep it interesting. :D
 
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