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Sg Banks Overlent in Property Bubble. Siao Liao Loh!

makapaaa

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<!-- START OF : div id="storytext"--><!-- more than 4 paragraphs -->WHILE the bailout battle takes place in the corridors of power in Washington, Singapore investors are left to lick more wounds.
Uncertainty over the United States government's massive rescue package for the ailing financial sector and bearish American stock futures in Asian trading hours continued to weigh heavily on investors' minds.
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</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>The result was not surprising - the Straits Times Index (STI) plunged another 32.78 points, or 1.3 per cent, to 2,411.46 - its lowest close in two years.
The STI is down 5.8 per cent for the week, and has collapsed 30.4 per cent this year.
'Hopes were high that a US bailout agreement had been reached but now it appears to have been stalled, so investors were jittery,' said a local dealer. 'It didn't help that both Hong Kong and Europe were shaky as well.'
Although US stocks surged 1.8 per cent overnight, Asian markets retreated quickly in the wake of the bailout problems.
Japan's Nikkei 225 Index dipped 1 per cent, Hong Kong's Hang Seng dropped 1.3 per cent and Taiwan stocks sank 2.2 per cent. It was no better in South Korea with equities retreating 1.7 per cent.
Shares here opened slightly weaker before losing further ground as Hong Kong and Europe retreated.
As on Thursday, it was a blue chip-led sell-down. The likes of CapitaLand, OCBC Bank and Keppel Corp were the top drags on the STI.
CapitaLand dropped 18 cents to $3.40, OCBC sank 16 cents to $7.16 while Keppel Corp lost 26 cents to $8.23.
UBS trimmed its price target for OCBC from $9.20 to $8, citing concerns about higher provisioning.
DBS Group Holdings gained two cents to $16.92, but United Overseas Bank shed 16 cents to $16.80.
Morgan Stanley noted that the recent hike in short-term interest rates here and in Hong Kong is not helping Singapore banks as it may hurt their asset quality.
'Singapore banks, in particular, appear to have over-lent into an over-built property bubble. The credit cycle has now clearly turned and higher rates will exacerbate inevitable asset quality issues,' it said.
There was no cheer for SingTel either, which continued its decline in the wake of several bearish analyst calls. The telco lost another cent to $3.21, ahead of the result of its bid to build a new Internet network in Singapore.
Commodity players suffered a similar fate, after wheat and corn futures fell on concerns that a slowing global economy will hurt demand. Palm oil giant Wilmar International fell as much as 8.3 per cent to $2.53, before closing down three cents at $2.73. Fellow commodity player Olam International sank a cent to $1.85, while Noble Group declined 10 cents to $1.45. [email protected]
 

downgrader

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credit suisse said earlier that property prices will undergo 40% correction.

So far they are right as far as property stock like capitaland is concerned

soon the actual property price will folloW

 

The_Latest_H

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That's what I told a couple of my friends within the opposition earlier this year: wait till the market bursts.

People will be in trouble sooner or later with their overuse of credit they can't afford. And the government has to share some of the blame of it too.
 

lifeafter41

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credit suisse said earlier that property prices will undergo 40% correction.

So far they are right as far as property stock like capitaland is concerned

soon the actual property price will folloW
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'Singapore banks, in particular, appear to have over-lent into an over-built property bubble. The credit cycle has now clearly turned and higher rates will exacerbate inevitable asset quality issues,' it said.
I am trying to make out what does it means "higher rates will exacerbate inevitable asset quality issues"
 

chinkangkor

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'Singapore banks, in particular, appear to have over-lent into an over-built property bubble. The credit cycle has now clearly turned and higher rates will exacerbate inevitable asset quality issues,' it said.
I am trying to make out what does it means "higher rates will exacerbate inevitable asset quality issues"

I make a guess.

It could mean that when interest rates start to rise, some property owners may not be able to service their mortgage and foreclose ensues. In a weak property market, the prices that can be fetched would be falling.

This may in turn cause banks to request property owners to top up cash when the market values of their properties fall below their mortgage amounts.

More forecloures followed and the vicious cycle continues ....The values of the mortgage assets which the banks hold will spiral downwards, causing assets quality issues.
 

makapaaa

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I make a guess.

It could mean that when interest rates start to rise, some property owners may not be able to service their mortgage and foreclose ensues. In a weak property market, the prices that can be fetched would be falling.

This may in turn cause banks to request property owners to top up cash when the market values of their properties fall below their mortgage amounts.

More forecloures followed and the vicious cycle continues ....The values of the mortgage assets which the banks hold will spiral downwards, causing assets quality issues.

This will trigger the all too familiar subprime crisis in short? Did not the BEST paid ministers have the helicopter vision to foresee this? Or were they blinded by their insatiable greed and assumption that come what may, they're untouchable to heck care?
 

chinkangkor

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This will trigger the all too familiar subprime crisis in short? Did not the BEST paid ministers have the helicopter vision to foresee this? Or were they blinded by their insatiable greed and assumption that come what may, they're untouchable to heck care?

An increase in bank interest rates means higher mortgage payments and shrinking disposal incomes for home owners. With the continued slowdown in tourist arrivals, hotel, retail and restaurants businesses will be hit first.
 

silverspoon

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This will trigger the all too familiar subprime crisis in short? Did not the BEST paid ministers have the helicopter vision to foresee this? Or were they blinded by their insatiable greed and assumption that come what may, they're untouchable to heck care?

the BEST PAID ministers are now thinking of their next pay increase....and they have started ...off with the electricity increased....soon another round of ERP increase.....maybe GST 10% next year for the IR
 

zhihau

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WHILE the bailout battle takes place in the corridors of power in Washington, Singapore investors are left to lick more wounds.

oh no!!! the last time round, Punggol 21 became Punggol 21 Plus, then what? changing to Punggol 22?
 

congo9

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credit suisse said earlier that property prices will undergo 40% correction.

So far they are right as far as property stock like capitaland is concerned

soon the actual property price will folloW



U sure big drop by 40% is still relevant and that because the sub prime crisis is not fully reveal yet ? With this climate ....... a 60% drop is a minimum
 

Einfield

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That's what I told a couple of my friends within the opposition earlier this year: wait till the market bursts.

People will be in trouble sooner or later with their overuse of credit they can't afford. And the government has to share some of the blame of it too.

No I don't agree in this case, Lehman Brother case I will blame the Bank and MAS but property, I blame the buyer themselves, May are speculators, no need to shed a tear for them, nor blame anyone.
 

SIFU

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the Straits Times Index (STI) plunged another 32.78 points, or 1.3 per cent, to 2,411.46 - its lowest close in two years. , posted on 27/09/08 by makapaa

this 2411.46 compared to now seems like skyhigh huh...:biggrin:
 

The_Latest_H

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No I don't agree in this case, Lehman Brother case I will blame the Bank and MAS but property, I blame the buyer themselves, May are speculators, no need to shed a tear for them, nor blame anyone.

I think ignorance of the markets could have been reduced if there was transparency and openess enforced by the law to these banks. If there were checks and balances in the process, informing of people of the risks along the way, then ignorance of the markets and of the speculative process can be reduced.

Do remember that these are retirees and housewives. They have the right to have more access to information, even if the banks dislike it. Government has to regulate this part of the market to reduce the chances of a bubble growing.
 

theblackhole

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greed is the root cause of this financial and economic downfall. greed is the word.not vulnerables. not retirees.not house-wives. now the blame game has shifted to ignorance. the fact is mas and the banks should have done some homework and advise the investors properly. now things happen. oh it's the ignorance of the retirees and the house-wives. many educated people also involved woh!!!

so now banks and finance bodies come out to "bail" them out...another reason to increase the debt and escalate the severity of the problems. the cancer is there - growing and eating and you come and give some more sweets and honey!!!

hello! the cancer lies in the greed and the whole rotting system. giving sweets cannot cure the cancer. u need to do something to get rid of the cancer. if you continue to give sweets and continue to bail out, then cancer will spread and soon the whole body will die lah!!! know or not??? learn from the grave mistakes of the usa!!! learn and see for yourself how unlimited spending and bailouts will just make the situation worse!!!!

the bubble is punctured!!! keep pumping air will not inflat it. it will simply deflat more and more. know or not!!! die liao lah. prepare the coffin and the lorry. let's go to bangkok...die and resurrect..mybe a better life will await all of us. now rotting coffin and prepare to die !!!
 

soikee

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greed is the root cause of this financial and economic downfall. greed is the word.not vulnerables. not retirees.not house-wives. now the blame game has shifted to ignorance. the fact is mas and the banks should have done some homework and advise the investors properly. now things happen. oh it's the ignorance of the retirees and the house-wives. many educated people also involved woh!!!

so now banks and finance bodies come out to "bail" them out...another reason to increase the debt and escalate the severity of the problems. the cancer is there - growing and eating and you come and give some more sweets and honey!!!

hello! the cancer lies in the greed and the whole rotting system. giving sweets cannot cure the cancer. u need to do something to get rid of the cancer. if you continue to give sweets and continue to bail out, then cancer will spread and soon the whole body will die lah!!! know or not??? learn from the grave mistakes of the usa!!! learn and see for yourself how unlimited spending and bailouts will just make the situation worse!!!!

the bubble is punctured!!! keep pumping air will not inflat it. it will simply deflat more and more. know or not!!! die liao lah. prepare the coffin and the lorry. let's go to bangkok...die and resurrect..mybe a better life will await all of us. now rotting coffin and prepare to die !!!


S'pore property cannot 'puncture' cos we have limited land supply.

Today S'pore Biz Times, CEO of Wheelock Property, Mr David Lawrence
call for a buy on S'pore property and property shares.

He forecast that next year S'pore property will appreciate in value.

Do not wait for the robin to show up; spring may be over by then.
 

ChaoPappyPoodle

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pappies invote so many FT because FT need house to stay. Many FT rent a house or flat or condo and stay together or company pay. If no FT then pappy and their friend cannot have money to pay for bank loan.

FT have to stay in Singapore. If many FTs go home then many pappy friends cannot pay for their bank loan. Many, many pappy friend have more than on hous in Singapore. Some have more than 3 hous and thy nd FT to rent the house.

FT is best for Singapor becaus pappy invite manny FT to come and to pay for pappy and pappy friends for their many houses.

Singapor property cannot burst bcause pappy control everything and will us billions of country money to mak sure the bank can mak it if conomy bad for long time.
 

DIVISION1

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It is not so simple as you put it. If the big boys are playing the games internationally, you have no choice but to follow and try to limit the downside when it happens. Not participating sets you back. Countries not participating, thinking they are not affected are equally hit now. Globalization creates a lot of downsides for isolationist policies. Latin America is suffering and the more insular they are, the worst it gets. Singapore did not come the way it has by playing conventional 19 century old school economics. We are an open economy. Do not think like how some South America leaders believe that socialist revolutions will prevail.
 

madmansg

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Today S'pore Biz Times, CEO of Wheelock Property, Mr David Lawrence
call for a buy on S'pore property and property shares.
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he lost 80 million making wrong forecast by buying SC golbal. You believe him this time round ?
 
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