• IP addresses are NOT logged in this forum so there's no point asking. Please note that this forum is full of homophobes, racists, lunatics, schizophrenics & absolute nut jobs with a smattering of geniuses, Chinese chauvinists, Moderate Muslims and last but not least a couple of "know-it-alls" constantly sprouting their dubious wisdom. If you believe that content generated by unsavory characters might cause you offense PLEASE LEAVE NOW! Sammyboy Admin and Staff are not responsible for your hurt feelings should you choose to read any of the content here.

    The OTHER forum is HERE so please stop asking.

Reply to Kor Kian Beng's SPH NDP Article

scroobal

Alfrescian
Loyal
Note the opening paragraph - "was a sincere and balanced piece from a personal standpoint"

Never thought our rebel who protested in parliament and was charged and convicted in court suddenly wants to cosy up to SPH and the establishment. Reminded me of Koh Buck Song late of SPH who used to start off his articles supposedly critical comment on govt issues with consoling and soothing opening paragraphs as an insuring hedge. It did payoff for him as he became a consultant and PAP General Elections Media Strategist.

Looks like someone is applying for tenure in a certain Statutory Board.


Written by Ng E-Jay
09 Aug 2009

Mr Kor Kian Beng’s (ST political correspondent) national day eve missive entitled “Look at S’pore’s bright side, not dark spots“, was a sincere and balanced piece written from a personal standpoint.

But it also left me with the conviction that it is time to call upon Singaporeans to go beyond being content with the apple-pie and motherhood sentiments expressed in his column and start asking the hard questions about Singapore and our Government.

Mr Kor confessed that there have been times when he was not altogether proud to be a Singaporean, and even entertained the thought of migrating someday, but his feelings changed when he realized that the “grass was not always greener elsewhere“.

Citing the problems faced by other countries like the long-running political unrest in Thailand, and the fact that not many other countries welcome foreigners as openly as Singapore does, Mr Kor argues that we should try and look at the bright side of Singapore even though there are areas in which Singapore can improve.

This is where my own beliefs and convictions depart markedly from Mr Kor’s.


For me, I have always been proud to be a Singaporean, no matter how critical I was of the Government or the way our country is run, because I have never been taken in by the propaganda that the PAP, the Government, and Singapore are one and the same.

Furthermore, I have chosen to anchor myself permanently here not because I have divested myself of the illusion that the grass is greener on the other side, but because this is where my friends and family are, and I would not want to be anywhere else no matter how good the other place may be.

Like Mr Kor, I can also cite a thousand problems neighbouring countries face, and I can also agree that Singapore has done well in some areas like having a good education system and a clean living environment.

But that does not mean that we trivialize the problems that our country faces.

For one, our political system is deeply flawed, something Mr Kor obviously realizes as well but chooses to ignore in favour of being content. We do not have free or fair elections, nor do we have an independent media. We have little or no separation of powers between the Executive, the legislature and the judiciary. We have a Government that blatantly and willfully subverts the constitutional rights of citizens to freedom of speech and peaceful assembly. Lack of transparency and accountability, particularly in the way our national savings are invested and managed, is also of grave concern.

It is true that economically and in terms of infrastructure, we are well ahead of our neighbours. However, our income gap remains wide and could possibly widen even further in the years ahead because the wealth created by our nation is concentrated in the hands of a few and is not effectively distributed to the rest of society by enlightened socialist policies that manage the extremes that free market capitalism engenders.

In terms of providing a comprehensive social safety net for citizens that have fallen through the cracks, keeping a lid on the escalating cost of living so that working class Singaporeans are not ravaged by inflation, and providing a dignified retirement for our elderly who have toiled tirelessly to build our nation, the PAP has failed miserably.

These are all issues that affect both the pocketbooks as well as the dignity of Singaporeans, and which we should not shovel under the carpet just because we happen to live in an imperfect world.

In the beginning of his article, Mr Kor mentioned that his heart swelled with pride when he realized he was training hard in National Service to defend his nation.

Today, Singapore citizens have to be sure what exactly is it they are defending. We have to know that we are defending a place that we can call our home, and not some hotel that has been sold out to foreigners in the name of economic growth. A beautiful skyline with a glorious sunset is not enough for us to lay down life and limb. We need to know that we are defending a nation that places Singaporeans first.

Mr Kor says that it is always easy to criticise, but it takes more to be content. My stand is that this is no time to be content, but time to stand up and speak out on the change that Singapore badly needs.
 

Hakka Tiow

Alfrescian
Loyal
"was a sincere and balanced piece from a personal standpoint"

Half of a sentence can't be interpreted as common courtesy to take the sting out of a set of criticism? Again picking on bones. And I assume naturally that a belittling of not being to comprehend words will come next?
 

scroobal

Alfrescian
Loyal
Its not about the quantity of good words vs critical words. The word "balanced" carries a helluva lot of meaning that even a donkey with half an ass can work it out.

By the way, Kor Kian Beng article was unusually loaded. Its more or less a signal to his friends that it was a job related effort. So, another donkey with the remaining half of the ass would also have figured out that the word "sincere" was not part of the game.

The article was also meant to be bait. The fact that it was over the top would have woken up a jackass.

I only have a mule left.

Why so blur? Playing with too many clones I suppose does that.



Half of a sentence can't be interpreted as common courtesy to take the sting out of a set of criticism? Again picking on bones. And I assume naturally that a belittling of not being to comprehend words will come next?
 

Perspective

Alfrescian
Loyal
Can never figure out where this guy stands.

But this is not so much a praise of the establishment. Not yet, at least.
 

scroobal

Alfrescian
Loyal
His article except for the opening para is spot on. Those are indeed the issues. In fact those issues have been the topic and bread and butter of this forum. It reminded me of Yaw of WP party that encouraged people to vote WP and then he himself voted PAP. Confused!

What is your opinion of "balanced" ?

I think you're just reading too much in to it
 

scroobal

Alfrescian
Loyal
He reminded me of Yaw Shin Leong of WP who asked the people of Singapore to vote WP and then he himself voted for PAP. Confused?

I wonder if he realises that not anyone can be "Political Correspondent" of SPH and why this particular position is therefore. It should have been a dead giveaway.

Can never figure out where this guy stands.

But this is not so much a praise of the establishment. Not yet, at least.
 

lockeliberal

Alfrescian
Loyal
Dear Scroobal

Ahhh the wonders of the political two step two faced tango, a dance as old as time. I have never been a believer in coincidences especially coincidences on line even from the days of the old old sammyboy.

1. Wayang Party becomes Temasek Review with a change in tone. Ng E Jay writes for TOC
2. Ng E Jay reinvents himself with a further change in tone.
3. Expanded NCMP scheme.


My guess is that dangled a real political carrot, well perhaps a half a political carrot, he has realized that in the SG context some degree of moderation is required to built the required numbers.



Locke
 

NgEjay

Alfrescian (InfP)
Generous Asset
Dear Scroobal

Ahhh the wonders of the political two step two faced tango, a dance as old as time. I have never been a believer in coincidences especially coincidences on line even from the days of the old old sammyboy.

1. Wayang Party becomes Temasek Review with a change in tone. Ng E Jay writes for TOC
2. Ng E Jay reinvents himself with a further change in tone.
3. Expanded NCMP scheme.


My guess is that dangled a real political carrot, well perhaps a half a political carrot, he has realized that in the SG context some degree of moderation is required to built the required numbers.

Lockeliberal,

I do not have anything to do with Wayang Party Club's website. The maximum involvement I have ever had with them was contributing an occasional article to the Singapore Enquirer.

Appreciate if you could stop the insinuation.

Scroobal. thanks for your comments. As Ah Guan said, you read too much into it. happy national day to you too.

And since this is my first post to you in a long time ... I guess the customary smile

:-)

is on order

E-Jay
 

scroobal

Alfrescian
Loyal
The rest of your article is fine just the opening para.

Here is a suggested way to approach it

I refer to Mr Kor Kian Beng's article “Look at S’pore’s bright side, not dark spots“ which was simmering in commendable patriotism. ( this is complimentary but not inaccurate as "balanced" was ) Balanced suggested both good and bad were covered.

Followed by a second para as such

I wonder if Mr Kor has grown detached from the majority of Singaporeans as he works for a Government sponsored entity that has a monoploy in its industry and the staff are known for their well remunerated income. Its a dilemma that our well paid Civil Servants in Admin Service too faced leading to one of them reciting his extravangant holiday in Paris.

Followed by the rest of your article.

Unfortunately your first para painted an inaccurate picture and worse 180 change in position from your previous stand on SPH and its correspondents. Clearly indicating a change in agenda and motives.



Scroobal. thanks for your comments. As Ah Guan said, you read too much into it. happy national day to you too.

And since this is my first post to you in a long time ... I guess the customary smile

E-Jay
 

scroobal

Alfrescian
Loyal
I sense that he was never interested in politics but wanted to keep with this friends initially and subsequently is attempting to keep up with the Political Joneses. Something which he obviously is struggling with.

First he vouched for Wayangparty, then the fisaco with RP, then he wrote a long essay why he was no longer associated with it when the issue was his previous association with it. Now he says "maximum involvement" when he realised that everyone was associating him with Wayangparty. Now TOC and SPH.

It did not strike me at first until he applied the word "balance" to Kor's article.

Hopefully like Yaw, he will move from a state of confusion.



Dear Scroobal

Ahhh the wonders of the political two step two faced tango, a dance as old as time. I have never been a believer in coincidences especially coincidences on line even from the days of the old old sammyboy.

1. Wayang Party becomes Temasek Review with a change in tone. Ng E Jay writes for TOC
2. Ng E Jay reinvents himself with a further change in tone.
3. Expanded NCMP scheme.


My guess is that dangled a real political carrot, well perhaps a half a political carrot, he has realized that in the SG context some degree of moderation is required to built the required numbers.



Locke
 

scroobal

Alfrescian
Loyal
How so? It sounded to me like a feel good message for SDP, similar to an orbituary where the bad is either superficially mentioned and explained away or never mentioned for obvious reasons.

SPH and it journalists must be crazy to put out an article that paints Singapore bad such as Temasek's disastrous losses, onerous political hurdles for the opposition etc during NDP.

Even they would not claim it to be "balanced".

Err... isn't it "balanced from (Kor's) personal standpoint"?
 

scroobal

Alfrescian
Loyal
Sorry it should be NDP not SDP.


How so? It sounded to me like a feel good message for SDP, similar to an orbituary where the bad is either superficially mentioned and explained away or never mentioned for obvious reasons.

SPH and it journalists must be crazy to put out an article that paints Singapore bad such as Temasek's disastrous losses, onerous political hurdles for the opposition etc during NDP.

Even they would not claim it to be "balanced".
 

Ah Guan

Alfrescian
Loyal

The opinion's not mine... I was just quoting Ejay's opening line. It might have been sarcasm. It might have been professional courtesy from one writer to another. In any way I find it difficult to compare that to what Yaw did.
 

Perspective

Alfrescian
Loyal
The opinion's not mine... I was just quoting Ejay's opening line. It might have been sarcasm. It might have been professional courtesy from one writer to another. In any way I find it difficult to compare that to what Yaw did.

Maybe it's the fundamentals of the person - for uncountable years has been more robust in dealing with the WP than the PAP. Same for others in his same camp hence initially I didn't realize but after all this, got more and more of the feeling that Yaw probably voted against his camp to "get back" and "return the favour". One confusion led to another and Scroobal's right, both ended confused.
 

Ah Guan

Alfrescian
Loyal
Maybe it's the fundamentals of the person - for uncountable years has been more robust in dealing with the WP than the PAP. Same for others in his same camp hence initially I didn't realize but after all this, got more and more of the feeling that Yaw probably voted against his camp to "get back" and "return the favour". One confusion led to another and Scroobal's right, both ended confused.

So all this brouhaha about Ejay's article is just personal

Thanks for clearing up my confusion


 

scroobal

Alfrescian
Loyal
You might want to look at your post again. Here is copy of what you wrote for convenience. "Err... isn't it "balanced from (Kor's) personal standpoint"?"

As you were the only other person that thought it was balanced besides Ng, I was just wondering why you thought it was balanced. Nothing to do with the Yaw comparison - thats my opinion.




The opinion's not mine....
 
Last edited:
Top