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Politically aware HK & TW students help each other prevent "Sino-fication" of Taiwan

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Sinkie youths ley? Only suck cocks in shopping center toilets while PAP sold away this country! :mad:

Taiwan protests resonate with HK residents

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<small class="clear">Monday, April 7, 2014 - 03:00
</small>Li Xueying
The Straits Times

On the streets of Taipei, a young Hong Kong woman started weeping.

As people swirled around her, 22-year-old Ng Wing Yin's face crumpled. "I love Taiwan. They have ren qing wei (the human touch), they treat me like their own."

The student is among those camping outside the Legislative Yuan this past week to protest against a service trade pact between Taiwan and China.

She does not want "Taiwan to become like Hong Kong" - a place with widening inequality "due to mainland speculators" and where the local culture is being "whittled away".

Ms Ng is not the only Hong Konger among the Taiwanese protesters. Other students and activists from Hong Kong have joined her in a show of solidarity with the Taiwanese.

"Hong Kong today, Taiwan tomorrow," is one saying among the protesters. Last week, a pro-independence newspaper here ran an advertisement, placed by Hong Kongers, calling on Taiwan to "learn from Hong Kong and say no to sinification".

Such doomsday warnings are gaining traction in Taiwan as Hong Kong's relationship with the mainland has grown increasingly testy in recent years.

But the current occupation is the first social movement in Taiwan that Hong Kongers are prominently getting involved in, observed Taiwan sociologist

Peng Huai-chen. The issue strikes a chord with them, said Hong Kong international relations academic Simon Shen, because many are increasingly looking upon Taiwan as "their utopia if Hong Kong is completely 'mainlandised' one day".

Indeed, ANZ Banking Group said in a research note that the ongoing protest "may heighten the anti-China sentiment that is seen in Hong Kong".

This is certainly not the "Hong Kong today, Taiwan tomorrow" blueprint that China intended when designing the One Country Two Systems framework.

In 1984, Chinese leader Deng Xiaoping said there would be only one China but Hong Kong, Macau and Taiwan could have their own capitalist and political systems. Hong Kong, the first to revert to the "motherland", in 1997, was to become a role model for the other two.

As a British colony, it was also a middleman between Taiwan and China, facilitating indirect flows of passengers, cargo and capital. Beijing and Taipei also communicated secretly via Hong Kong.

But the interplay of dynamics changed in 1997. After Hong Kong returned to the Chinese fold, Beijing largely dictated the handling of its affairs with Taiwan. Also, Taiwan's election of China-friendly President Ma Ying-jeou in 2008 meant a reduction of Hong Kong's go-between role.

Yet, people-to-people links increased, as both sides tried to navigate their way through China's rise. Said Dr Peng: "In the past, the Taiwanese did not take notice of what was happening in Hong Kong, but this changed. When the big gets bigger, the smaller ones band together."

Those who want to buttress their stand on Taiwan's need to keep China at arm's length cherry- pick from the Hong Kong experience, citing issues ranging from fears of curbed media freedoms to the pressures from catering to mainland tourists.

The opposition to the service trade pact is also informed by the Hong Kong experience after it signed a free trade pact with China, claimed Mr Chang Jiho, a leader of the student protesters. While the pact is aimed at giving access to Hong Kong investors, small firms complain that they do not benefit.

Hong Kong, meanwhile, is looking at Taiwan's more mature political scene for pointers - sometimes to Beijing's unease. This is especially as the city's political scene hots up amid a controversial electoral reform process.


The Friends of Hong Kong and Macau Association in Taiwan helps arrange trips by Hong Kong's political parties, schools and other groups to Taiwan.

In 2008, about 10 groups came. Such trips have jumped to 40 to 50 a year now, said its deputy secretary-general Hsiao Tu-huan.
Of these, 40 per cent are by political parties wanting to learn from Taiwan's parties in areas such as public polling and policymaking.

There are other, more controversial, visits such as when an organiser of Hong Kong's Occupy Central movement met a Taiwanese independence advocate last year, provoking criticism from Chinese media about the "Taiwanisation" of Hong Kong politics.

Such a relationship was not part of Deng's plans. But clearly, many people in both places - anxious to retain their ways of life - do share a certain sense of threat.

Mr Hsiao put it thus: "For both Taiwan and Hong Kong, China is too big, too dangerous."


This article was published on April 5 in The Straits Times.




 

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Student leaders have called for their comrades to back down after talks with representatives ....


Taiwan protesters agree to end parliament occupation after talks with speaker
Monday, 07 April, 2014, 4:30pm
News›China
TAIWAN

Lawrence Chung in Taipei and Agence France-Presse

Conclusion to weeks-long stand-off comes after House Speaker's 'goodwill gesture'

A three-week students-led protest in Taiwan to oppose a service trade pact with the mainland will finally come to an end on Thursday with the students pledging to leave the parliament they have occupied since March 18.

The latest development came a day after legislature speaker
Wang Jin-pyng conceded that he would see to the enactment of an oversight bill to supervise all cross-strait agreements before reviewing the controversial pact.

After discussing for hours over whether it is the best time to end their protest, the student leaders announced last night to bring their three-week protest to a peaceful end.

“We call on all supporters who have joined us in the protest to gather at the legislature on Thursday 6pm to greet us in leaving the parliament,” said Chen Wei-ting, one of the student leaders organising the protest.

Calls for the demonstrators to quit parliament have been rising even among some of their sympathisers.


Student leaders announced to bring their three-week protest to a peaceful end. Photo: CNA
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“Now it’s an opportune time to leave parliament,” said Rex How, a publisher who quit as an adviser to President Ma Ying-jeou in protest at the cross-strait services trade pact.

Local media speculated that the protesters would leave following Wang’s concession.

But unconfirmed reports said some radical student groups had refused to back down.


Student protesters hold discussions inside the occupied legislature in Taipei on Sunday. Their numbers have dwindled to dozens compared to 200 at its peak. Photo: AP
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Politicians from both ruling and opposition parties have been meeting the students since the occupation, but on Sunday was the first time that the speaker had entered the chamber since it was seized.

Around 200 student-led demonstrators occupied the chamber on March 18 and swiftly drew a large crowd of supporters, with more than 10,000 congregated outside at one point.

There were violent clashes on March 23 when baton-wielding police turned water cannons on protesters who had stormed the nearby government headquarters.

And on March 30, tens of thousands gathered to pressure the embattled Ma to retract the trade pact, which they say will damage Taiwan’s economy and leave it vulnerable to political pressure from Beijing.


Taiwan's Legislative Speaker Wang Jin-pyng (right) greets protesters inside the parliament chamber on Sunday. Photo: EPA
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Ma, who has pursued closer ties with the mainland since taking power in 2008, has agreed to the students’ demand for a law to monitor all cross-strait pacts, but the protesters have rejected the government’s bill.

The latest pact would further open up trade in services between the mainland and Taiwan, which split 65 years ago after a civil war.

Ma has said the failure to ratify the pact would be a grave setback to efforts by trade-reliant Taiwan to seek more free-trade agreements and avoid isolation as regional economic blocs emerge.

The contentious pact is a follow-up agreement to a sweeping Economic Co-operation Framework Agreement signed in 2010 to reduce trade barriers between the mainland and Taiwan.

Ma has overseen a marked thaw in relations with Beijing since he came to power pledging to strengthen trade and tourism links.
He was re-elected in January 2012 but his approval ratings are currently only around 10 per cent.

The mainland still considers Taiwan as part of its territory awaiting reunification – by force, if necessary.



 

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If these Hokkeins were serious about 'sino-fication' why did they not declare independence when Ah Bian was in office? after decades of enjoying their so called 'status quo', do not forget the taiwanese wanted the status quo cos it was the easy way out,,,they now than KPKB? too little too late right? typical hokkein Kiasu, kia see, kia bor, kiam siup and die dont want face attitude...now the commies can conquer taiwan without a single shot being fired,,,no wonder singapore has been under PAPPIE tyranny for so long, its the easy way out by voting pappies,,,
 

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If these Hokkeins were serious about 'sino-fication' why did they not declare independence when Ah Bian was in office? after decades of enjoying their so called 'status quo', do not forget the taiwanese wanted the status quo cos it was the easy way out,,,they now than KPKB? too little too late right? typical hokkein Kiasu, kia see, kia bor, kiam siup and die dont want face attitude...now the commies can conquer taiwan without a single shot being fired,,,no wonder singapore has been under PAPPIE tyranny for so long, its the easy way out by voting pappies,,,

I don't understand their hokkien.
 

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If these Hokkeins were serious about 'sino-fication' why did they not declare independence when Ah Bian was in office? after decades of enjoying their so called 'status quo', do not forget the taiwanese wanted the status quo cos it was the easy way out,,,they now than KPKB? too little too late right? typical hokkein Kiasu, kia see, kia bor, kiam siup and die dont want face attitude...now the commies can conquer taiwan without a single shot being fired,,,no wonder singapore has been under PAPPIE tyranny for so long, its the easy way out by voting pappies,,,

Please loh at least the taiwanese had got the balls to vote out KMT in 2000.
 

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better for them to move one step further

ban all things china.

taiwanese mentality: generally like to profit from others but a no no when reverse.
 

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Sinkies.. See that? This is how real human being behaves.. Balls.. A thing that you don't have.
 

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Please loh at least the taiwanese had got the balls to vote out KMT in 2000.

Dumbfuck opposition supporting retard. Since they grew balls and chose democracy, they suffered economic stagnation for more than a decade. Taiwanese are now leaving the island for countries like China and Singapore to get better jobs and income. Balls and Democracy don't put food on the table. Those students will learn the hard truth once they come join the workforce
 
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Hahahaha! Wmule, taiwan was already a "broken stall" when ah bian took over. Better send more opposition candidates into parliament before they chicken out and say they dont want to form government! Then more lobang for you, everyday can come fuck wp for mrt breakdown!
 

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Taiwan students are smart to realise that if they don't voice out now, the Chinese locust swarm will come in and strip away everything - from properties to technology companies to cottage industries.

Just look at the opportunities SG grads have today to get the picture....
 

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Muahahahaha.......

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Dumbfuck opposition supporting retard. Since they grew balls and chose democracy, they suffered economic stagnation for more than a decade. Taiwanese are now leaving the island for countries like China and Singapore to get better jobs and income. Balls and Democracy don't put food on the table. Those students will learn the hard truth once they come join the workforce
 

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I don't understand their hokkien.

That's because Singaporeans speak fucked-up bastardized Hokkien where 50% of the vocab is infiltrated with Malay words. Words like 'loti' (bread) or 'jamban' (toilet) or 'suka' (like) are Malay, not Hokkien.

The Taiwanese and residents of Fujian province speak the Minnan dialect with 3 main variants – Amoy (Xiamen), Quanzhou and Zhangchou. All 3 variants are heard in Taiwan. A Xiamen native has no difficulty conversing with a Taiwanese, and vice versa. Even a Penang Hokkien speaker (Zhangzhou variant) fares better in Taiwan or Fujian than a Sinkie.
 
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Taiwan is still governed by the same KMT regime that has ruled the island almost uninterrupted for 65 years. However the current leaders are very different from the autocratic rulers of yesteryears. Had the father and son being around you think students would be allowed to occupy the parliament building? It could be the same here in future Sinkieland ; the people running PAP and forming the government will surely run this country differently .....
 

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Dumbfuck opposition supporting retard. Since they grew balls and chose democracy, they suffered economic stagnation for more than a decade. Taiwanese are now leaving the island for countries like China and Singapore to get better jobs and income. Balls and Democracy don't put food on the table. Those students will learn the hard truth once they come join the workforce

Yes Lew ah, you are correct. support chew

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So wat? 1 step forward 4 steps back...they vote for this current president whose platform was closer economic integration w ah tiong land. That is wat KMT is doing...they voted for it than now KPKB? Like typical singkie attitude...curse at pap than vote pap than kpkb...must be a Hokkein thing...

Please loh at least the taiwanese had got the balls to vote out KMT in 2000.
 

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So wat? 1 step forward 4 steps back...they vote for this current president whose platform was closer economic integration w ah tiong land. That is wat KMT is doing...they voted for it than now KPKB? Like typical singkie attitude...curse at pap than vote pap than kpkb...must be a Hokkein thing...

And the Taiwanese would have the balls to vote the KMT out again in 2016.
 

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Will these Hokkein cowards have the balls to vote for independence If the Green party win? if not, KMT get kick out also useless,,,When Ah Bian was President, so many taiwanese say,,oh we want to maintain the status quo so as not to antagonise china..and look what the commies did, they were firing missiles into the taiwan strait,,than being the cowards that they are take the easy way out and dont declare independence. If the Taiwanese got the balls, they should say China is Part of Taiwan...as the KMT is the legitimate rulers of China,,but of course they give up all claims to China,,now the commies are at their door step, getting closer and closer till the door gets smash down...

Typical Hokkein attitude to Kia Su, Kia See, Kia Bor, kiam siap and die dont want face. Guess this sort of attitude has finally caught up with them...


And the Taiwanese would have the balls to vote the KMT out again in 2016.
 
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Wahlaneh your rebuttal so long. Tmr then reply u.

Will these Hokkein cowards have the balls to vote for independence If the Green party win? if not, KMT get kick out also useless,,,When Ah Bian was President, so many taiwanese say,,oh we want to maintain the status quo so as not to antagonise china..and look what the commies did, they were firing missiles into the taiwan strait,,than being the cowards that they are take the easy way out and dont declare independence. If the Taiwanese got the balls, they should say China is Part of Taiwan...as the KMT is the legitimate rulers of China,,but of course they give up all claims to China,,now the commies are at their door step, getting closer and closer till the door gets smash down...

Typical Hokkein attitude to Kia Su, Kia See, Kia Bor, kiam siap and dont dont want face. Guess this sort of attitude has finally caught up with them...
 

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i'm back, Ok you win. :biggrin:

but >60% of taiwanese prefer status quo.

Will these Hokkein cowards have the balls to vote for independence If the Green party win? if not, KMT get kick out also useless,,,When Ah Bian was President, so many taiwanese say,,oh we want to maintain the status quo so as not to antagonise china..and look what the commies did, they were firing missiles into the taiwan strait,,than being the cowards that they are take the easy way out and dont declare independence. If the Taiwanese got the balls, they should say China is Part of Taiwan...as the KMT is the legitimate rulers of China,,but of course they give up all claims to China,,now the commies are at their door step, getting closer and closer till the door gets smash down...

Typical Hokkein attitude to Kia Su, Kia See, Kia Bor, kiam siap and die dont want face. Guess this sort of attitude has finally caught up with them...
 
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