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Incoming: Can Aircraft Carriers Survive Hypersonic Weapons?
3/22/2019
By Jon Harper

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A Chinese bomber flying over the Western Pacific launches hypersonic anti-ship missiles. The weapons quickly surpass a speed of Mach 5 and maneuver unpredictably toward their target. Overwhelming U.S. defensive systems, they slam into the hull of the USS Gerald R. Ford, disabling the aircraft carrier and sending its crew scrambling for their lives.

That is a potential scenario the Navy could face in the coming years as Washington and Beijing are locked in great power competition in the Indo-Pacific and beyond.
Aircraft carriers are viewed by many as the Navy’s crown jewels.

“Naval aviation has grown during the last century into the primary offensive arm of the U.S. Navy and the centerpiece of the American fleet,” noted a recent report by the Center for Strategic and Budgetary Assessments titled, “Regaining the High Ground at Sea: Transforming the U.S. Navy’s Carrier Air Wing for Great Power Competition.”

Carrier battle groups include ships equipped with advanced air-and-missile defense systems such as Aegis. But hypersonics pose a unique threat compared to traditional ballistic and cruise missiles, analysts say.

Although today’s ballistic missiles can achieve hypersonic speeds, they tend to follow a predictable flight path that is easier to track.

“The big difference between a traditional ballistic missile and these hypersonic boost glides is the trajectory and the ability to maneuver,” said Tom Callender, senior research fellow for naval warfare and advanced technologies at the Heritage Foundation and a former Navy officer.

“You can’t predict from its initial boost necessarily where it’s going,” he added. “In theory, you … can maneuver off its initial ballistic track potentially several hundred miles, [and come in] a different way” than defenders are expecting.

Traditional cruise missiles can be highly maneuverable, but the air-breathing systems typically fly at subsonic speeds — a small fraction of the velocity that hypersonic boost glide and scramjet missiles could achieve. Defenders would therefore have much less time to intercept incoming hypersonic weapons, Callender noted.

The CSBA report warned that the new missiles would significantly lower or negate the effectiveness of U.S. air defenses even if the carrier strike group were operating as far as 1,000 nautical miles from the launch site. Anti-ship weapons may be able to speed past interceptors, while their flight paths could exploit seams between current high- and low-altitude U.S. air-and-missile defense systems, it explained.

Chief of Naval Operations Adm. John Richardson has downplayed the threat.

“Rather than talking about the vulnerability of the aircraft carrier … we should think about it as perhaps the most survivable airfield in the region,” he said at a recent Brookings Institution event when National Defense asked him about the new Chinese weapons and how the Navy plans to counter them.

The vessels are less vulnerable now than they have been since World War II, he said, noting the threat posed by the Soviet Union’s submarine fleet during the Cold War.

Richardson declined to go into specifics about how the Navy might thwart enemy hypersonics.

“As you can imagine, it gets very highly classified,” he said.

Through a combination of operational concepts and defensive systems “those carriers are able to have a big impact on the operational space and continue to survive,” he added.

But other Pentagon leaders are sounding the alarm.

The threat posed by hypersonics featured prominently in the Trump administration’s missile defense review that was released in January, and Undersecretary of Defense for Research and Engineering Michael Griffin has warned repeatedly that the Chinese weapons could hold carrier battle groups at risk.

The systems have already achieved initial operating capability, he said at a breakfast hosted by the National Defense Industrial Association. “We need to be able to defend against the threat,” he told reporters after the breakfast.

Callender said faster interceptors might be needed. The Pentagon is already exploring options.

The Missile Defense Agency has completed an analysis of alternatives for hypersonic defense, Air Force Lt. Gen. Samuel Greaves, the director of the agency, said during a recent Q&A session at the Center for Strategic and International Studies.

The study is “essentially assessing the current suite of available interceptors to see if they are fast enough to get to the target and win the tail chase, as you might say,” Greaves said.

The analysis is in final review within the Defense Department and should be released soon, he said in February.

“We have worked with industry to assess available interceptors as well as potential new interceptors to execute that mission,” Greaves said. “If it is determined after that coordinated review that the current suite will not meet the need, … we will need to develop something else.”

Directed energy weapons are another option being looked at, he noted.

Meanwhile, the Navy has been pursuing hypervelocity projectiles that could be launched from electromagnetic railguns or powder guns. They are smaller and cheaper than interceptor missiles, and a ship could carry more of them, Callender noted. The projectiles could contribute to point defense and increase the carrier battle group’s capacity to handle thick salvos of enemy hypersonic weapons, he said.

The CSBA report said shipboard lasers, high-powered microwaves and electronic warfare systems could also potentially contribute to the mission.

Callender said the military could use electronic jamming, decoys or other methods of spoofing to complicate the task of enemy shooters.

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“You have to be able to target and find that aircraft carrier … thousands of miles away,” he explained. In a high threat environment, the vessel would be maneuvering and changing its course and speed, he noted.

“You can be doing things to jam [enemy] comms so they can’t get that information back to the mainland, or wherever those launchers are,” he added. “Anything I can do to create doubt in or interrupt his being able to find, fix, target … increases my ability to survive any potential attack.”

The CSBA report said Navy aircraft performing combat air patrols could potentially shoot down incoming missiles before they reach the carrier strike group.

“Hypersonic [anti-ship cruise missile] intercepts will be challenging, but may be possible … using high-performance [air-to-air missiles] designed to intercept supersonic aircraft,” the report said.

However, interceptors are useless without sensors that can track threats and provide targeting information. That’s why defense officials are keen on developing a more robust sensor layer, including in space.

“With the newer threats, the maneuvering threats, the hypersonic threats, we need birth-to-death tracking,” Greaves said during a briefing with reporters at the Pentagon when the missile defense review was released.

“We need to know where it originated, where it’s going, what maneuvers it’s making so that we can position our intercept capability to interdict the target and defeat it,” he noted.

Griffin said Chinese and Russian regional hypersonic capabilities pose unique challenges in this regard.

“These are dimmer targets, more difficult to see,” he said. “We have to be closer to the action in order to do a good job of it. We also have to have a much broader range of coverage.

“In order to do that, we think the best approach is a network of satellites.”

How many spacecraft would be needed and what orbit they would be stationed in are still to be determined, he added.

Funding for the technology will be included in the fiscal year 2020 budget request, he noted.

Griffin said countering hypersonic weapons is a top priority and the Pentagon hopes to have a “workable” defensive capability by the mid-2020s.

But sometimes the best defense is a good offense, analysts noted.

“The most effective contribution [carrier-based] aircraft could make would be to destroy some or all enemy weapons platforms before they launch their weapons,” the CSBA report said. The tactic would be the modern day equivalent of “attacking the archers before they launch their arrows.”

To address the threat, carrier strike groups could implement a new “outer air battle” operating concept, which would use carrier air wings and escort ships to attack enemy vessels and bombers before they were able to fire their anti-ship missiles, the report said.

Callender said the Navy could use its own hypersonic weapons in the future to preemptively take out enemy systems including mobile launchers.

“Another advantage of hypersonics over a traditional cruise missile is I can get there much faster … if I don’t have much time to react,” he said.

If “I see the launcher, it’s setting up to be getting ready to shoot, I may not have an hour-plus that it would take a Tomahawk to get there” depending on the target distance, he added. “But if I can get a hypersonic missile there in … 10, 15, 20 minutes, that may be sufficient.”

The Navy — as well as the Air Force and Army — is already pursuing its own offensive hypersonics capability.

In January, Naval Air Systems Command put out a solicitation to industry for potential sources to upgrade and redesign the existing test complex at China Lake, California, to support air launch testing for a “conventional prompt strike” weapons program.

There is also a requirement for conceptual design and operation of an underwater test complex, the solicitation noted.

The air-launch and underwater-launch test complex “will not only aid in the conceptual design of a new weapons system through qualification of hardware, various components and systems, but will also provide risk mitigation for the testing of the new weapons system on a ship, submarine, aircraft and land to achieve the hypersonic capability,” the solicitation said.

Industry responses were due Jan. 30.

In addition to acquiring new missiles, the Navy also needs to adapt its carrier air wing to better protect its ships and operate more effectively in anti-access environments against peer adversaries, analysts say.

The Navy plans to deploy new unmanned MQ-25 Stingrays on carriers in the coming years, but their mission will be focused on aerial refueling. The service also needs survivable, long-endurance carrier-launched drones that can perform a variety of tasks including intelligence, surveillance, reconnaissance, targeting and combat air patrols, the CSBA report said. The unmanned aerial vehicles should have payloads on par with existing attack aircraft, it noted.

“If the Navy is unable to transform its [carrier air wings], Navy leaders should reconsider whether to continue investing in carrier aviation or shift the fleet’s resources to more relevant capabilities,” the report said.

However, Callender expects carrier battle groups and air wings to adapt to the emerging hypersonic threat, just as they did to Japanese kamikazes in World War II and Soviet bombers equipped with anti-ship missiles during the Cold War.

“I don’t think this is the end of the carrier,” he said.

“I don’t want people to throw in the towel … with China or Russia saying, ‘Oh, that’s it. Game over. We’re done,’” he added. “It makes the problem a little harder, but it’s not insurmountable and we’re already working ahead to adapt and overcome and regain advantages in there. It’s not going to be easy … but it’s not the doomsday that I think some people will have you believe.”



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The U.S. Navy’s Big Mistake — Building Tons of Supercarriers
The Pentagon behaves as if aircraft carriers will rule forever … they won’t
War Is Boring
War Is Boring


May 28, 2015 · 20 min read
by DAVID W. WISE
“History,” it has been written, “does not repeat itself, but it rhymes.” Today it’s rhyming with Gen. Billy Mitchell. In the 1920s, Mitchell challenged conventional thinking by advocating air power at sea in the face of a naval establishment dominated by battleship proponents.
The hubris of the “battleship Navy” was such that just nine days before Pearl Harbor, the official program for the 1941 Army-Navy game displayed a full page photograph of the battleship USS Arizona with language virtually extolling its invincibility.
Of course, the reason that no one had yet sunk a battleship from the air — in combat — was that no one had yet tried.
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In fact, Mitchell sank a captured German battleship, the Ostfriesland, in an aerial demonstration back in 1921, but the Navy said that the test proved nothing. Two of the observers that day were officials from Japan.
In addition, the architect of the Pearl Harbor attack, Isoroku Yamamoto, was a student at Harvard at the time and no doubt read accounts of the event that were widely reported in the newspapers.
The aircraft carrier decisively replaced the battleship as the Navy’s sea control capital ship, but its reign in that capacity was, in reality, quite brief. The aircraft carrier established its ascendancy in the Battle of Midway and was the centerpiece of five major sea battles between 1942 and 1944.
Yet, following the Battle of Leyte Gulf in 1944, the U.S. Navy repositioned the aircraft carrier as a platform to project power ashore. The United States did not lose a fleet carrier in the war after the Hornet went down in 1942, because Japan’s surface fleet had been devastated. Nor did Tokyo effectively use its submarines.
That track record, just as the boast in the Army/Navy game program, however, is not an indication that a carrier cannot be sunk — or put out of commission — but rather the fact that since 1945, the U.S. Navy has never engaged another navy in battle that tried.
“Projecting the past into the future is risky business — especially when we’re unsure what that past was,” James Holmes, a naval warfare expert at the U.S. Naval War College wrote.
Which brings us to today. The U.S. Navy has fallen into a troubling pattern of designing and acquiring new classes of ships that would arguably best be left as single ship — or at most in limited numbers. It’s also building several types of new aircraft that fail to meet specifications.
The Navy is developing a new class of supercarriers that cannot function properly, and has designed them to launch F-35 fighters that are not ready to fly their missions. This is all happening during an era of out-of-control budgets, which bodes poorly for American sea power and leadership ahead.
That the Navy is concentrating larger percentages of its total force structure on large, high signature and increasingly vulnerable ships endangers America’s future. Fortunately, there’s better options to the status quo if the Navy moves now.
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At top — the USS Ronald Reagan at sea on Oct. 22, 2008. Above — the USS Gerald R. Ford at dock on Aug. 11, 2013. Navy photos
Too expensive
Before asking whether it makes sense to continue to invest in aircraft carriers, we must ask the question whether we can afford them.
The Pentagon commissioned the USS George H.W. Bush in 2009 at a cost of $6.1 billion. America’s most recent aircraft carrier, the USS Gerald R. Ford, will cost more than double that in constant dollars. The carriers’ air wings cost about 70 percent again the cost of the ship itself.
In an era when personnel costs — including healthcare and pensions — are consuming the military from within, the fact that these craft require 46 percent of the Navy’s personnel to man and support places them in the crosshairs in an extreme budget-constrained environment.
The Center for Budgetary and Strategic Assessments stated that being the most expensive piece of military equipment in the world makes “them a prime — and perhaps even a necessary target — in this era of belt tightening.”
If 11 carriers — as required by legislation — is the minimal number required to have an effective supercarrier force, then carrier proponents are hoist upon their own petard.
“If our fleet of small numbers is so fragile that it cannot afford the loss of a single ship due to budgeting, how will it survive the inevitable losses of combat?” Commander Phillip E. Pournelle wrote in Proceedings.
That day has already come. As of early 2014, the Navy only has 10 operational supercarriers. Sequestration delayed the deployment of the Harry S. Truman and has the Navy scrambling to come up with funds to refuel the Abraham Lincoln, raising the question whether the latter will ever come back into service.
It appears dubious that the Ford will have overcome major development issues to come into service in 2016.
Furthermore, if sequestration persists, the Navy might have to mothball four of nine air wings, making the discussion of 11 carrier platforms moot. Due to these substantial constraints, the Congressional Budget Office and former Secretary of Defense Chuck Hagel both floated the possibility of the Navy going down to as few as eight supercarriers.


The Navy, like the other services, has proven itself incapable of running an effective weapons acquisition program in recent decades. Instead, the services pay increasingly more money for progressively fewer units that often fail to meet original specifications.
The current shipbuilding plan calls for the Navy to have 306 ships while the actual number has dwindled 285. The CBO recently concluded that there is approximately a 30 percent gap between what the Navy would require to meet its shipbuilding plan and what it will likely obtain through the appropriation process.
The Navy’s own acquisitions chief recently told Congress that given the current trends and budget outlook, the Navy could slip to as few as 240 ships in the next several decades.
The commitment to aircraft carriers is literally cannibalizing the rest of the Navy and simultaneously interfering with its ability to meet emerging requirements and threats.
Work began in 2005 on the Ford at an estimated procurement cost of $10.5 billion, which later increased to $12.8 and most recently to $14.2 billion and rising. Unfortunately, as the General Accountability Office noted in a recent report — issued when the Ford was 56 percent complete — that “our previous work has shown that the full extent of cost growth does not usually manifest itself until after the ship is more than 60 percent complete.”
Stating that the “plan may prove unexecutable,” the GAO added that the Ford will be unlikely to fill the gap created by the scheduled decommissioning of the Enterprise. Worse, the Ford would “likely face operational limitations that extend past commissioning and into initial deployments.”
The already stretched multi-year procurement budget assumes that the Navy will spend $43 billion to procure the Ford and two other carriers of this class at the pace of one every five years, which does not include any additional cost overruns.
Unfortunately, cost estimates for the F-35Cs slated to fly off the Ford’s decks have almost doubled while performance concerns continue to mount.
Calling the Navy estimates “optimistic,” the GAO exhorted the service to “improve the realism” of the budget projections. Meanwhile the CBO has floated various options including canceling future procurement of Ford-class carriers. The Navy is currently trying to shift part of the funding for completion until after delivery of the first ship in an apparent attempt to obscure the extent of the overruns.
The surface fleet procurement program has suffered a massive disconnect between emerging capabilities and system design. Naval Operations chief Adm. Jonathan Greenert discussed the revolution in precision-weaponry such that “instead of sorties per aimpoint, we now commonly speak of aimpoints per sortie.”
But instead of leveraging this massive improvement in precision weapons, the Ford-class carriers were designed prior to his tenure and the costs have driven through the roof. This was in order to include new, untested technologies that dramatically increased the number of sorties that could be launched even though the performance ratios were going dramatically in the opposite direction.
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An American aircraft carrier viewed through a Soviet periscope, circa 1974. Russian navy photo
Vulnerable to attack
The economies of scale that favored the carrier as a force projection instrument were made possible by the ability of such behemoths to operate close to shore with impunity. That age is drawing to a close.
The famed Adm. Horatio Nelson observed that “a ship’s a fool to fight a fort.” In the new age that is dawning, the “fort” is an increasingly sophisticated range of over-the-horizon anti-ship missiles that render surface ships vulnerable, and which will deny them proximity to the coastlines where U.S. carriers have reigned for decades.
These include ballistic missiles fired from a wide range of platforms, including easy to conceal mobile launchers. In a sweeping 2013 paper on the carrier’s future, Navy Capt. Henry Hendrix estimated China could produce 1,227 DF-21D ballistic anti-ship missiles for the cost of a single U.S. carrier.
Although one missile might not sink a carrier, a single missile might cause sufficient damage to take it out of commission.
Further, the radar signature of a 100,000-ton ship is very large and the sensors used on the carrier’s current defense systems only increase that signature.
In such an attack, the fleet must be able to defend against a large number of incoming weapons approaching on evasive trajectories at greater than twice the speed of sound, while the attacker needs to only score a few hits. These new anti-ship missiles “put U.S. forces on the wrong side of physics,” the U.S. Naval War College’s Andrew Erickson warned.
Emerging anti-ship technology also places the aircraft carrier on the wrong side of basic arithmetic.
In its capacity as a force projection platform, the carrier operates by launching various types of attack and tactical fighter aircraft from its decks. The unrefueled radius of the Navy’s current F/A-18E Super Hornet falls within 390–450 nautical miles. The F-35 Joint Strike Fighter will have an unrefueled combat radius of 730 nautical miles.
The Department of Defense, however, estimates that the range of the DF-21D anti-ship missile to be 1,500–1,750 nautical miles and some speculate the range to be greater.
Recognizing the fact that these numbers will require placing the carrier strike groups well outside of their range, former Naval War College Dean Robert Rubel observed that “a successful defense of a carrier does no good if the carrier cannot in turn succeed in attacking enemy naval forces.”
Although a sustained attack from land-based ballistic missiles would be more than a challenge for the Navy’s current “hard kill” defense systems, the situation is potentially more serious.
The Navy’s plan to disrupt ballistic missile command-and-control systems with electronic measures would be inhibited by the same “range” arithmetic that keeps such craft far from shore.
“Even more ominous,” military analyst Robert Haddick wrote, “are the squadrons of maritime strike fighters capable of launching scores of long-range, high-speed anti-ship cruise missiles, in volumes that threaten to overwhelm the most modern fleet defenses.”
A reality-check exercise would be to conduct a theoretical battle with the rapidly developing People’s Liberation Army Navy. The Chinese have around 100 fast missile boats — primarily of the Hubei class with stealth catamaran hulls — that carry eight anti-ship cruise missiles with current ranges of 160 nautical miles.
A coordinated attack would also likely include aircraft and Sovremenny-class destroyers and, in the next decade, an estimated 75–80 submarines — both nuclear and diesel — armed with torpedoes and some with wave skimming, supersonic anti-ship missiles supplied by or copied from advanced Russian models.
Russia has been developing sea- and bomber-launched anti-ship missiles for decades. Russia is also a major arms merchant, making these anti-access systems potentially among its most attractive wares. In addition, those that are not purchased could also be reverse-engineered. Iran has, for obvious reasons, a very strong interest in and an unknown arsenal of such weapons.
As the costs of these weapons come down, the rate of proliferation will increase and place this technology in the hands of smaller states and potentially non-state groups. With such proliferation, the latitude of carrier task groups to own the coastlines along which they wish to operate in a power projection role will evaporate.
A troubling sign of things to come is a Russian firm that is reportedly selling a “Club-K” cruise missile concealable in shipping containers deployable on trucks, rail cars or merchant ships.
Although the saliency of this issue is now greater due to rapid advances in capabilities, there is nothing new in the vulnerability of aircraft carriers in specific and surface ships in general. Like the battleship admirals prior to Pearl Harbor, carrier advocates take solace from an unblemished record resulting from “the Cold War [having] ended without a Leyte Gulf,” Holmes noted.
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Above left— Chinese Hubei-class fast missile boats. Photo via Chinese internet. Above right — a Club-K container ship cruise missile. Wikimedia photo. Below left — an illustration from Chinese media depicting a DF-1D attack on the U.S. Navy. Illustration via Chinese Internet. Below right — a Russian Sovremmeny-class destroyer. Wikimedia photo
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A U.S. carrier group only came face-to-face with a Russian carrier task force during the Cold War once. During the tensions surrounding the Yom Kippur war, the presence of a “locally superior Russian force” resulted in the American ships having to reposition further west in the Mediterranean.
Soviet Adm. Sergei Gorchakov reportedly held the view that the U.S. had made a strategic miscalculation by relying on large and increasingly vulnerable aircraft carriers. The influential U.S. Adm. Hyman Rickover shared this view. In a 1982 congressional hearing, legislators asked him how long American carriers would survive in an actual war.
Rickover’s response? “Forty-eight hours,” he said.
Now let’s take a look at the unofficial record derived from war games. In 2002, the U.S. Navy held a large simulated war game, the Millennium Challenge, to test scenarios of attacks on the fleet by a hypothetical Gulf state — Iraq or possibly Iran.
The leader of the red team employed brilliant asymmetric tactics resulting in 16 U.S. ships, including two supercarriers, going to the bottom in a very short span of time. The Navy stopped the war game, prohibited the red team from using these tactics and then reran the exercise declaring victory on the second day.
As with Billy Mitchell and the Ostfriesland, according to the Navy the sinkings never happened. But, as Robert Gates noted in his memoirs, “the enemy always gets a vote.”
Ballistic missiles are just the most recent challenge to carrier vulnerability. “I would argue that you can put a ship out of action faster by putting a hole in the bottom [with a torpedo] than by putting a hole in the top [with a weapon like the DF-21],” former U.S. Naval Operations chief Gary Roughhead said.
This extends to diesel submarines. Although the number of simulated “sinkings” by ships of the Navy is officially unacknowledged, there are reports of around a dozen U.S. aircraft carriers being “sunk” in exercises with friendly countries including Canada, Denmark and Chile.
In 2005, the USS Ronald Reagan was “sunk” by the Gotland, an electric diesel sub that the U.S. Navy borrowed from Sweden between 2005 and 2007 and which was never detected in exercises by U.S. carrier groups during all that time.
Although it’s true that the Soviets and the Americans never faced off in an actual naval battle, there is every reason to believe that they would have had some success against the “invulnerable” carriers. As far back as 1968, a fast nuclear powered Russian submarine matched the Enterprise at top speed in the Pacific.
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In 1995, Israeli Adm. Yedidia Ya’ri wrote in the 2005 Naval War College Review that the Russian SS-N-22 “Muskit” anti-ship missile “can probably penetrate any existing defense system, hard or soft-kill, especially when launched in salvos.”
In 2012, test of a slower and higher-flying surrogate of the Muski missile demonstrated that “the Aegis system could not be relied on for effective defense of itself or the aircraft carriers it was escorting,” Winslow Wheeler of the Straus Military Reform Project noted.
One carrier, the USS Kitty Hawk, used up three of its nine lives having been run into by an undetected Soviet sub in 1984, overflown by two undetected Russian planes — an Su-24 and an Su-27 — in 2000, and surprised by a Chinese Song-class attack submarine that surfaced undetected inside its perimeter and within torpedo range in 2006.
In March of this year, the French Navy reported that it had sunk the USS Theodore Roosevelt and half of its escorts in a war game, but hurriedly removed that information from its website.
The world, of course, is not standing still. Missile ranges and speeds will increase. Missiles will become more elusive and accurate — and could be nuclear-tipped. Sensors will see further and more accurately, significantly reducing the fog of war. Surface ships, no matter where located, will be increasingly vulnerable.
Supercavitating torpedoes — such as the Russian Shkval — already travel at 200 knots and can track ships for more than 1,000 kilometers. Above the surface, supersonic anti-ship missiles that currently travel at Mach 2 will be replaced by hypersonic missiles that will travel at Mach 5, and Mach 10 and Mach 25.
And well above the surface, newer electronic warfare weapons will reach into space and attack satellites and communications on which the modern information awareness of battle depends.
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The carrier-launched X-47B unmanned aircraft near USS George H.W. Bush on May 14, 2013. Navy photo
The future is drones and submarines
The modern aircraft carrier strike group stands at the very pinnacle in the history of warfare in terms of conventional lethality and sophistication. Unfortunately, in the modern context it resembles a Rube Goldberg device — the most complicated system that can be devised to perform a mission.
In order to deliver firepower on a target, the U.S. Navy fields an increasing unaffordable supercarrier which must be escorted by one Aegis cruiser, two destroyers, a nuclear attack submarine and a combined strike force crew of more than 6,000 to carry and launch an air wing of increasingly unaffordable airplanes with inadequate range.
The supercarrier requires an exponential and compounding set of very expensive investments. The total acquisition cost of a carrier strike group exceeds $25 billion, an air wing another $10 billion and the annual operating costs of perhaps $1 billion.
Yet, a cruise missile fired from a wide range of lower signature ships costs less than a third of each bomb delivered by a fighter from the deck of a carrier. Nor do these platforms require a carrier’s defensive shield — and they can launch from beyond the range of carrier-based aircraft.
In another time, the battles of Crecy and Agincourt signaled the end of the age of the armored knight who could be defeated from a distance with advanced, low cost, armor-piercing arrows. The age of the cavalry ended with advances in artillery, mechanized armor and the machine gun in World War I.
A similar shift is occurring now and will displace the modern equivalent of the dashing cavalry officer — the fighter pilot. The knight class never passes willingly — as they take justifiable pride in their acumen and truly believe in their mission. However, the carrier and its air wing cannot be allowed to drive strategy or procurement.
Nonetheless, the U.S. Navy continues to pursue the next generation of fighter, the F-35C, and the next two Ford-class carriers to launch them in spite of an explosion of costs and questions about performance, including its stealthiness.
In what seems like a perversion of logic, the air-Navy “union” has even proposed using some of the new unmanned systems being developed by the Navy, not to replace the fighter, but as an aerial refueling tanker to try to keep the manned aircraft relevant.
USNI News has also reported that the Navy plans to reduce the UCLASS drone to perform only surveillance functions in order to preserve manned fighters. More Rube Goldberg. It’s in no way to dishonor the bravery and skill of fighter pilots to recognize the facts of physiology and physics. Unmanned vehicles and missiles can operate at speeds and turn radiuses that are impossible for a human to withstand.
With the pilot no longer in the equation, the vehicles can also achieve greater stealth. Unmanned craft and missiles cost dramatically less and remove the loss of the pilot from the equation, thus opening up an entire range of strike options than would otherwise be unavailable or suicidal.
Although TV viewers were in awe of images of precision weapons during Desert Storm, precision guided munitions had improved in effectiveness by 12 to 20 fold by the time of the second Iraq war. Those improvements will continue to be matched by increases in range accompanied, in some instances, by hypersonic speed.
In the meantime, new passive and active methods– including the use of VHF and UHF from other sources — will make stealth increasingly elusive to achieve. Worryingly, Defense News has reported claims by Chinese sources that its DWL002 passive radar had already rendered the F-35 obsolete.
Concurrently, improvements and the ubiquitous placement of sensors feeding into massive computational systems will make total battlefield awareness — with the world being the battlefield — a reality. “Sooner or later most of the world’s oceans will fall under the shadow of land-based precision weaponry,” Holmes wrote.
The next two Ford-class carriers will not be completed for another decade — assuming the problems with the first vessel are resolved — and will have a life of 50 years. Can anyone possibly believe, given the pace of technological improvements, that by 2065 supercarriers and the manned aircraft that fly off of them will be anything other than relics?
Given these arguments, the Navy cannot and should not continue to pursue a force structure of 11 carriers. In 2013, an unmanned X-47B with a range three times the current carrier strike group — and twice that projected for the F-35C — landed on the deck of a carrier. Yet the Navy is spending too little on the revolution in unmanned systems.
In a recent joint think-tank symposium, both CSBA and Center for a New American Security called for decommissioning at least two carrier strike groups and possibly diverting savings from the F-35 program to “facilitate this revolution.”
In other words, over the next four or five decades the Navy would transition from large carriers launching fifth-generation fighters to supercarriers launching unmanned systems and to smaller amphibious assault ships — and other lower cost platforms — launching a variety of unmanned systems.
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The Navy’s penchant for building ever larger and more complex carrier strike forces is analogous to an effort to build ever larger mainframe computers while the world is already moving from distributed systems to the cloud. Precise weapons can also be placed on a wide range of craft — even fishing boats — raising the specter of the USS Cole suicide attack on steroids.
“Because the most critical naval competition will be a battle of signatures, a small signature-controlled combatant with long-range precision strike will be a decisive component of any fleet,” Hendrix pointed out in Proceedings.
The economics and efficacy of substituting modular and expendable payloads for large hulking platforms is compelling. Such a naval force structure would “more distributed, networked, numerous, elusive, small, long-range and hard to find,” David Gompert and Terrence Kelly of the RAND Corporation noted.
Although the supercarrier would remain in the fleet until the Ford comes out of service, the Navy must move away from its carrier-centric architecture. Large surface ships are increasingly vulnerable, and the Navy should not be build and operate them if the costs are unacceptable.
New and very low-cost landing ships such as the USNS Montford Point and John Glenn can be built at about 1/25th to 1/30th the cost of a supercarrier and project advanced missiles, drones, helicopters, V-22 Ospreys or jump jets. Instead of an arsenal of 90 missiles on an existing Aegis craft, the new Afloat forward stage base ship Lewis B. Puller can hold 2,000 missiles at one-fourth the cost of an Arleigh Burke-class destroyer.
Another logical response to the strategic and technological realities facing the Navy would dictate a very marked emphasis on the improvement and development of a subsurface strategy — both manned and unmanned. Submarines are less vulnerable to cyber and electronic interventions than air- and surface-weapons.
“The sea acts as a massive electromagnetic barrier to interference and as a de facto armor against most forms of attack such as anti-surface cruise or ballistic missiles like the DF-21D ‘carrier killer,’” retired Commander Victor Vescovo stated in Proceedings.
The increasing vulnerability of carriers presents the U.S. in a crisis with a Hobson’s choice of acquiescence or possible exposure of the fleet to heavy losses and potential escalation.
The emerging doctrine of AirSeaBattle, besides possibly coming too late to be of use, would similarly present the U.S. with a policy option that seems to ensure escalation.
The pivot to Asia should result in a pivot in procurement to subsurface vehicles — including stealthy unmanned underwater drones and gliders — not with the objective of scrapping for a fight, but for deterrence and to preserve the peace.
Unfortunately, that’s not happening. The fleet of nuclear attack submarines — as opposed to strategic submarines armed with nuclear warheads — is now slated to drop from 54 in 2013 to cover the entire world to possibly as low as just 39 by 2030.
At present, the Navy is straining to build two attack submarines a year, while it could afford to build 10 at the cost of just one carrier and its air wing and, arguably, to much greater strategic effect. In addition, unlike most of the surface ship acquisition programs, attack submarine programs have had a generally good record for coming in on schedule and budget.
One of the most effective components of an effective submarine procurement program should be a back-to-the-future program involving very quiet diesel submarines. Diesel submarines are very hard to detect and can be procured at a rate of three or four per the cost of each nuclear submarine.
But here, as with Navy carrier policy, the leadership will encounter strong resistance from one of its “unions,” in this case the submariners who are committed to the nuclear Navy.
Sound policy will also require overcoming resistance to replacing manned subs with all manner of unmanned underwater vessels — from the very small to large-displacement unmanned vehicles.
Submarines, which were unsung game changers in both world wars, must continue to develop in terms of offensive capability as launchers of cruise missiles, non-nuclear ballistic missiles and eventually hypersonic missile.
The U.S. Navy is unquestionably the most powerful in the world today in the aggregate. Unfortunately, repeating that phrase like a standard campaign applause line isn’t helpful. While the entire U.S. Navy dominates in tonnage and sheer firepower, that may not be meaningful in a specific locale with the force on deployment.
Then again, although Navy war games often disallow this reality, the very fact that the American Navy is the most powerful to fight a specific type of naval engagement practically guarantees that a future opponent will be so rude as to play a different game.








Yet, the Navy projects into the future a force structure that really is an updated version of what fought in the Pacific in the 1940s, and which was really untested in the Cold War. The alternative force structure hinted at here would equip the Navy possibly for the next 30 to 40 years.
Projected advances in sensor technology, as Greenert noted, will “make stealth difficult to maintain above and below water.” So, too, will the increasing range and precision of hypersonic weapons and the disabling stealth of deniable cyber-attacks. At that point, going into the 2050s and 2060s yet a different force structure and battle concept will be required.
One thing is certain, however. The aircraft carrier will not be the relevant weapon in the second half of the century. Continued overinvestment in them only ensures that the nations and possibly non-state groups that understand the future will be the ones that control the waves.
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US media: US or 2,000 land-based ballistic missiles instead of aircraft carriers to counter China
US media: US or 2,000 land-based ballistic missiles instead of aircraft carriers to counter China
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[Global Times Report Special Reporter Wei Qi Reporter Liu Yang] The debate about the effectiveness of aircraft carriers in high-intensity conflicts is nothing new. The US military has argued in history that aircraft carriers or strategic bombers are required. Nowadays, there is a new debate in the United States: in order to deal with China, it is necessary to use land-based ballistic missiles or aircraft carriers. Chinese experts say that this debate is not unexpected. If the United States intends to deploy a large number of land-based medium-range missiles, it will inevitably lead to military competition without additional funds. If the US Army wants to deploy a large number of medium-range missiles in the Asia-Pacific region, it will first have a budget battle with the US Sea and Air Force.

Is the 2000 missiles still a new aircraft carrier?

According to the US "Defense News" reported on the 14th, the debate about the future of the aircraft carrier is plaguing the US Department of Defense. The focus of the debate is to choose to continue investing in the pillars of the US global power delivery since World War II - the aircraft carrier and its carrier-based aviation wing. It is also to gradually reduce investment in these systems and increase investment in new capabilities, such as long-range conventional hypersonic missiles.

The report said that Mike Griffin, deputy director of research and engineering for the US Department of Defense, raised this issue at a defense press conference last month. "Let's ask a question." Griffin said, "What do you think China will be more worried about: the US and its Western Pacific allies have 2,000 conventional missiles capable of hitting China's targets, or a new aircraft carrier? Because this The two things cost almost the same..."

US Navy multi-carriers sail in formation at sea

According to the report, there are many assumptions in Griffin's thinking that even American experts are unwilling to accept it, not to mention the US Navy and many people in Congress. Part of the reason is that these ideas raise questions about the future of aircraft carriers. Griffin’s idea also assumes that in the conventional war with China, the United States will be willing to bear the serious consequences of combating China’s homeland and the terrible potential for such an attempt. Many people either disapprove or think that the risk is too big to be seriously considered.

The article said that Griffin told the people present: "Our carrier battle group, naval fleet and space assets are decisive. If we let these assets make concessions or fail to support them, we will give these positions to the opponents. ""

"But our opponents are developing and have developed some counter-measures. Therefore, although we can't give up these equipment, we must look to the future." He said that China "actually has thousands of conventional strike assets, Being able to travel thousands of kilometers and be able to hit accurately, this requires the United States to have new means to deter opponents.

This is not a "multiple choice question"

In response to doubts, the US Naval Air Force also launched a counterattack. A recent US Navy pilot said in a recent column in Defense News that aircraft carriers still outperform any other weapon system or combination of systems in providing options and survivability. US Navy Atlantic Fleet Air Commander, Rear Admiral Roy Kelly said: "There is no combination of other weapon systems or off-the-shelf small systems that are as deadly, agile and flexible as full-size nuclear-powered aircraft carriers and their carrier-based fleets. Capability.” He said that the aircraft carrier's deployment has rapid response, long battery life, multi-dimensional combat capability, strong battlefield space perception and command and control capabilities, which is the ability that the United States must possess in the competition of big countries. "The existence of it can shape the situation that is beneficial to the country." Kelly added that the enemy has been trying to challenge the US aircraft carrier for a long time, but the carrier air wing is constantly upgrading and the tactics are constantly developing to cope with the threat.

He believes that aircraft carriers are still of great significance and potential because they are adaptable and powerful platforms that can flexibly deploy payloads. "The carrier's carrier-based aircraft fleet is constantly evolving, incorporating revolutionary aircraft such as the MQ-25 'salmon' drone. The weapons carried by these aircraft are developing faster, making the aircraft carrier attack group against real and potential threats. The aspect is dominant."

Scene in the US Navy aircraft carrier base

But Tom Caracco, an analyst at the Center for Strategic and International Studies who specializes in missiles, said that in the final analysis, the solution could not be a two-choice option.

Karako said that the US military has found time and time again that someone must be there first, which is why the United States tends to rely more on aircraft carriers. "Someone might say, 'Let's launch a bunch of missiles from Hawaii,' but this is not just a missile launch, it must also have a complete kill chain. You must know the whereabouts of the missile and have to count on you after pulling the trigger. The goal is not moving. Therefore, mixing multiple uses may be a more sensible choice."

Deterrence China as the leader of the development of land-based guidance?

According to the article, some experts and analysts are reluctant to use the so-called "quick strike weapon" as an effective deterrent. Retired submarine commander and strategy and budget assessment center analyst Brian Clarke said that using hypersonic weapons to prevent other countries from using hypersonic weapons is a symmetrical thinking, which means that the United States will actually use hypersonic weapons to attack rivals. As a response to the attack or possible attack of the aircraft carrier. "Beat the homeland of a large nuclear-weapon state to retaliate against its attacks on US naval vessels. This may be an action against Iran or North Korea, but will it be done against big countries such as China? Is the opponent really like us? There is doubt as to doing it, because the question will become: 'Do we really want to make tit-for-tat revenge against the US domestic target?' I feel that they believe this threat is not credible. Therefore, as a deterrent, its value is less ""

The report said that dealing with any potential conflict with China is a serious problem. During the Cold War, the United States tried to avoid conflicts that triggered nuclear disasters. When the Soviet Union invaded Afghanistan, the United States trained Afghan combatants and provided them with weapons. However, due to the risk of escalating operations with another nuclear power, the United States did not directly fight the Soviets. According to the report, this kind of variable is still playing a role. If there is any conflict with China, the goal should be to localize the conflict and gradually downgrade, instead of launching the Doomsday missile war in the Pacific.

The Brookings Institution researcher Michael O'Hanlon believes that it is more important to stop high-end battles or keep any small-scale conflicts at their original level and end them. To achieve this goal, the aircraft carrier may be more meaningful.

The Defense News said that despite this, if the United States seeks a conventional means of dealing with conventional missile attacks in China, deploying hypersonic weapons in the Pacific should be a priority. But this will not be as influential as Griffin thinks. Clark said, "Even if the United States has a hypersonic weapon, there is no guarantee that it will kill, and we can't deploy a lot of such remote boost gliding systems."

https://www.wired.com/2013/03/replacing-aircraft-carriers/After the Aircraft Carrier: 3 Alternatives to the Navy's Vulnerable Flattops
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The U.S. Navy's huge, nuclear-powered aircraft carriers – capital ships that have long dominated military planning and budgeting – are slowly becoming obsolete, weighed down by escalating costs, inefficiency and vulnerability to the latest enemy weapons.
But if the supercarrier is sinking, what could rise to take its place? Smaller, cheaper flattops; modified tanker ships; and missile-hauling submarines are three cheaper, more efficient and arguably more resilient options.
Navy Capt. Jerry Hendrix, a historian, analyst and futurist, caused a stir by making the case against the Navy's cherished supercarrier fleet. Hendrix's recent study "At What Cost a Carrier?" (.pdf), published by the Washington, D.C.-based Center for a New American Security, urges the Navy to begin drawing down its 10-11 Nimitz-class flattops and follow-on Ford-class vessels.
A single new carrier costs $14 billion to build plus $7 million a day to operate. "Not a good use of U.S. taxpayer money," Hendrix asserts. Moreover, he contends that huge carriers with their five-acre flight decks and scores of warplanes are ill-suited to the American way of war, in which precision and avoiding civilian casualties are more important than overwhelming firepower. Worst, Hendrix warns, the carriers – major symbols of American military might – are increasingly big targets for China's DF-21D ship-killing ballistic missiles.
The Navy is unlikely to decommission its giant flattops, to say the least. But should it start taking Hendrix's advice, one or more of the following vessels could sail in their place.
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Flattop Lite ————
Hendrix alludes to "light amphibious carriers" as possible replacements for the supercarriers, but fails to mention the specific vessel type best suited to this role. The future USS America, nearing completion at a shipyard in Mississippi, is roughly half the size of today's Nimitz class and less than a third the cost.
Though technically a transport for Marines and their helicopters, *America *also supports Harrier jump jets and the still-in-development F-35B model of the stealthy Joint Strike Fighter, which like the Harrier can land vertically on small flight decks. Hendrix also called for the development of a long-range, armed drone able to launch from ships such as America. The Pentagon has already taken steps toward that goal.
In theory, the Navy could acquire and operate dozens of America-class vessels for the price of the 10 current carriers – and therein lies the smaller ships' key advantage. According to one popular theory of naval warfare, it's better to deploy large numbers of smaller ships than small numbers of bigger ships.
The idea is that a more numerous and spread out "distributed" fleet is harder to disable with weapons such as the DF-21D. By this way of thinking, the supercarriers represent single points of failure, whereas a larger fleet of "flattop lites" means redundancy and resilience amid combat losses.
If there's a downside to the gas-powered America class, of which the Navy has ordered two, it's the type's limited speed and range compared to a nuclear-powered vessel – plus its lack of a steam catapult. It's the absence of a catapult that prevents* America* from launching F/A-18 Hornets, X-47B jet-powered drones and other high-performance aircraft and instead compels it to wait for the troubled F-35B and brand-new drone types.
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Everything's a Carrier ———————-
Taking the notion of a distributed fleet even further, the Navy could potentially replace the aviation capability of today's supercarriers with ... most other ships in the fleet. Increasingly, all new warships – from the small Littoral Combat Ships to the latest Lewis and Clark-class supply vessels – come with extra-large flight decks. More and more, every ship is partially a carrier.
The Navy's latest support vessel stretches this concept to the extreme. The Montford Point, a modified oil tanker launched late last year, is primarily meant to transport hovercraft for beach assaults. But a future version of the $500-million ship will include a roughly 500-foot-long flight deck that could support helicopters, drones and potentially even F-35Bs.
But like the America class, the Montford Points will not have catapults. And as modified tanker ships, they lack armor and defensive systems, making them potentially more vulnerable to enemy attack once located. (Although again, a distributed fleet could have greater overall resilience.) Plus, they're slow, capable of just over half the speed of a supercarrier.
Still, as part of a widely distributed fleet of aviation-capable ships, future flight-deck-equipped Montford Points could support all but the biggest planes. And since they cost just 4 percent the price of a supercarrier, the Navy could afford lots of them.
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Underwater Arsenal ——————
One thing supercarriers do better than other ships is deliver tons of high explosives onto distant pinpoint targets fast. The means of delivering this firepower is, of course, the flattop's 40-plus fighter-bombers. But as Hendrix points out, the Navy possesses another method of blasting targets at long-range: precision-guided Tomahawk cruise missiles.
No vessel packs more Tomahawks than the sailing branch's four Ohio-class guided-missile submarines. Converted from their original role carrying nuclear-tipped ballistic missiles, the so-called SSGNs each pack as many as 154 cruise missiles in vertical tubes and can fire them stealthily from underwater.
The SSGNs are getting on in years and could begin retiring in the mid-2020s. The cash-strapped Navy says it can't afford to build new submarines with an equivalent missile load, and instead is planning on slightly increasing the much more modest Tomahawk loadout on some of the smaller Virginia-class attack subs.
But if the pricey supercarriers go away, the Navy could find itself with money to spare for a new class of missile subs or more of the enhanced Virginias with extra cruise missiles. Compared to today's fleet balance, that would mean a radical shift in resources from the surface force to the subsurface force. But if the big flattops end up being replaced by smaller, cheaper aviation vessels – however numerous – more subs could be the best way to maintain the Navy's overall striking power.
In any event, the Navy has options. Sinking the supercarriers, as Hendrix advises, does not mean giving up on naval aviation or on the ability to strike targets at long range. Indeed, the hundreds of billions of dollars the sailing branch would save over a period of decades with the flattops' retirement could lead to new ships, new methods and new attitudes – and, effectively, a revolution in naval warfare.



https://mil.news.sina.com.cn/china/2019-10-15/doc-iicezuev2260232.shtml美媒:美或用2000枚陆基弹道导弹替代航母抗衡中国

美媒:美或用2000枚陆基弹道导弹替代航母抗衡中国



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[环球时报报道 特约记者 魏齐 记者 刘 扬]有关航母在高烈度冲突中效能的争论并不是什么新鲜事,美军历史上就曾争论过要航母还是要战略轰炸机。如今,美国国内又产生新的争论:为了对付中国,是要陆基弹道导弹还是要航母。中国专家表示,这种争论其实并不意外。美国如果打算大量部署陆基中程导弹,在没有额外资金的情况下,势必会产生军种竞争。美国陆军要想在亚太大量部署中程导弹,首先会和美国海、空军来一场预算大战。
2000枚导弹还是新航母?
据美国《防务新闻》14日报道,关于航空母舰的未来的辩论正在困扰着美国国防部,争论焦点是选择继续投资于二战以来美国全球力量投送的支柱——航空母舰及其舰载航空联队,还是逐步减少对这些系统的投资,并增加对新能力的投资,例如远程常规高超音速导弹。
报道称,美国国防部负责研发和工程的副部长迈克·格里芬在上月的国防新闻发布会上提出这个问题。“让我们提出一道思考题。”格里芬说,“你认为中国会更担心哪一项:美国及其西太平洋盟国拥有能够打击中国目标的2000枚常规导弹,还是一艘新航母?因为这两件事花费的钱差不多……”
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报道称,格里芬的思考题中有许多假设条件连美国专家都不愿接受,更不要说美国海军和国会的很多人了。其中部分原因是这些设想对航空母舰的未来提出疑问。格里芬的想法还假设,在与中国的常规战争中,美国将愿意承担打击中国本土带来的严重后果,以及在这种尝试中所面临的可怕的潜在可能。许多人要么不赞成,要么认为风险太大,不会认真去考虑。
文章称,格里芬告诉在场的人们:“我们的航母战斗群、海军舰队和太空资产是决定性的。如果我们让这些资产让步或未能对其继续提供支持,我们将把这些阵地让给对手。”
“但我们的对手正在发展并且已经发展成功了一些反制手段。因此,尽管我们不能放弃这些装备,但我们必须展望未来。”他说,中国“实际上拥有成千上万个常规打击资产,能够穿越数千公里,并能够精确命中”,这需要美国有新手段来威慑对手。
这不是一道“单选题”
针对质疑,美国海军航空兵也发起反击。美国海军的一位顶级飞行员在《防务新闻》最近的一篇专栏文章中称,航母在提供选择方案和生存能力方面仍超过任何其他武器系统或系统组合。美海军大西洋舰队航空兵指挥官、海军少将罗伊·凯利说:“没有其他武器系统或现成的小型系统的组合,具有像全尺寸核动力航空母舰及其舰载机联队那样致命、敏捷和灵活的能力。”他表示,航母的部署具有快速响应、长续航时间、多维作战能力、强大的战场空间感知以及指挥和控制能力,这是美国在大国竞争中必须具备的能力。“它的存在可以塑造对国家有利的态势。”凯利补充说,敌人长期以来一直在试图挑战美国航母,但舰载航空联队不断升级,战术也不断发展以应对威胁。
他认为,由于航母是可灵活部署有效载荷的适应性强大的平台,因此它们仍具有重大意义和潜力。“航母的舰载机联队不断发展,融合了MQ-25‘黄貂鱼’无人机等革命性的飞机。这些飞机所携带的武器发展更快,使航母攻击群在对付现实和潜在威胁方面占据主导地位。”
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但战略与国际研究中心专门研究导弹的分析师汤姆·卡拉科表示,归根结底,解决方案不可能是二选一的方案。
卡拉科称,美军方一次又一次发现,首先必须有人在那里,这就是为什么美国倾向于更加依赖航母。“可能有人会说,‘让我们从夏威夷发射一堆导弹就行了’,但这不只是发射导弹,还必须拥有完整的杀伤链。你必须知道导弹的去向,并且不得不指望你扣动扳机以后,目标没有移动。因此,混合使用多种手段可能才是更加明智的选择。”
把威慑中国作为发展陆基中导的幌子?
文章称,一些专家和分析人士不愿把所谓的“快速打击武器”作为有效的威慑手段。退休潜艇指挥官、战略与预算评估中心分析师布莱恩·克拉克说,用高超音速武器来阻止其他国家使用高超音速武器是一种对称思维,这意味着美国实际上将使用高超音速武器攻击对手本土,以此作为航母遭到袭击或可能遭到袭击的应对措施。“打击装备有核武器的大国本土,以报复其对美海上舰艇的攻击。这可能会成为针对伊朗或朝鲜采取的行动,但是否会针对中国等大国采取这种行动?对手对我们是否真会这样做存有疑问,因为问题会变成:‘我们真的要对美国本土目标进行针锋相对的报复吗?’我感觉他们认为这种威胁是不可信的。因此,作为威慑力量,它的价值较小。”

报道称,处理与中国的任何潜在冲突是一个严重的问题。在冷战期间,美国都尽量避免引发核灾难的冲突。当苏联入侵阿富汗时,美国训练了阿富汗战斗人员并向其提供武器,但由于有与另一核大国作战升级的风险,美国没有与苏军直接作战。报道称,如今这种变数仍在发挥作用,如果与中国发生任何冲突,目标应该是使冲突局部化,并且逐步降级,而不是展开在太平洋地区的世界末日导弹大战。
布鲁金斯学会研究员迈克尔·奥汉隆认为,更重要的是阻止高端战斗或将任何小规模冲突保持在原有水平,并使其结束。想要达到这样的目标,航母可能更有意义。
《防务新闻》称,尽管如此,如果美国寻求一种应对中国常规导弹袭击的常规手段,那么将高超音速武器部署在太平洋地区应该是一个优先选项。但这不会像格里芬所认为的那样具有影响力。克拉克说,“即使美国拥有高超音速武器,也无法保证一击必杀,而且我们也无法部署非常多的此类远程助推滑翔系统。”▲

US media: US or 2,000 land-based ballistic missiles instead of aircraft carriers to counter China
US media: US or 2,000 land-based ballistic missiles instead of aircraft carriers to counter China
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[Global Times Report Special Reporter Wei Qi Reporter Liu Yang] The debate about the effectiveness of aircraft carriers in high-intensity conflicts is nothing new. The US military has argued in history that aircraft carriers or strategic bombers are required. Nowadays, there is a new debate in the United States: in order to deal with China, it is necessary to use land-based ballistic missiles or aircraft carriers. Chinese experts say that this debate is not unexpected. If the United States intends to deploy a large number of land-based medium-range missiles, it will inevitably lead to military competition without additional funds. If the US Army wants to deploy a large number of medium-range missiles in the Asia-Pacific region, it will first have a budget battle with the US Sea and Air Force.

Is the 2000 missiles still a new aircraft carrier?

According to the US "Defense News" reported on the 14th, the debate about the future of the aircraft carrier is plaguing the US Department of Defense. The focus of the debate is to choose to continue investing in the pillars of the US global power delivery since World War II - the aircraft carrier and its carrier-based aviation wing. It is also to gradually reduce investment in these systems and increase investment in new capabilities, such as long-range conventional hypersonic missiles.

The report said that Mike Griffin, deputy director of research and engineering for the US Department of Defense, raised this issue at a defense press conference last month. "Let's ask a question." Griffin said, "What do you think China will be more worried about: the US and its Western Pacific allies have 2,000 conventional missiles capable of hitting China's targets, or a new aircraft carrier? Because this The two things cost almost the same..."

US Navy multi-carriers sail in formation at sea

According to the report, there are many assumptions in Griffin's thinking that even American experts are unwilling to accept it, not to mention the US Navy and many people in Congress. Part of the reason is that these ideas raise questions about the future of aircraft carriers. Griffin’s idea also assumes that in the conventional war with China, the United States will be willing to bear the serious consequences of combating China’s homeland and the terrible potential for such an attempt. Many people either disapprove or think that the risk is too big to be seriously considered.

The article said that Griffin told the people present: "Our carrier battle group, naval fleet and space assets are decisive. If we let these assets make concessions or fail to support them, we will give these positions to the opponents. ""

"But our opponents are developing and have developed some counter-measures. Therefore, although we can't give up these equipment, we must look to the future." He said that China "actually has thousands of conventional strike assets, Being able to travel thousands of kilometers and be able to hit accurately, this requires the United States to have new means to deter opponents.

This is not a "multiple choice question"

In response to doubts, the US Naval Air Force also launched a counterattack. A recent US Navy pilot said in a recent column in Defense News that aircraft carriers still outperform any other weapon system or combination of systems in providing options and survivability. US Navy Atlantic Fleet Air Commander, Rear Admiral Roy Kelly said: "There is no combination of other weapon systems or off-the-shelf small systems that are as deadly, agile and flexible as full-size nuclear-powered aircraft carriers and their carrier-based fleets. Capability.” He said that the aircraft carrier's deployment has rapid response, long battery life, multi-dimensional combat capability, strong battlefield space perception and command and control capabilities, which is the ability that the United States must possess in the competition of big countries. "The existence of it can shape the situation that is beneficial to the country." Kelly added that the enemy has been trying to challenge the US aircraft carrier for a long time, but the carrier air wing is constantly upgrading and the tactics are constantly developing to cope with the threat.

He believes that aircraft carriers are still of great significance and potential because they are adaptable and powerful platforms that can flexibly deploy payloads. "The carrier's carrier-based aircraft fleet is constantly evolving, incorporating revolutionary aircraft such as the MQ-25 'salmon' drone. The weapons carried by these aircraft are developing faster, making the aircraft carrier attack group against real and potential threats. The aspect is dominant."

Scene in the US Navy aircraft carrier base

But Tom Caracco, an analyst at the Center for Strategic and International Studies who specializes in missiles, said that in the final analysis, the solution could not be a two-choice option.

Karako said that the US military has found time and time again that someone must be there first, which is why the United States tends to rely more on aircraft carriers. "Someone might say, 'Let's launch a bunch of missiles from Hawaii,' but this is not just a missile launch, it must also have a complete kill chain. You must know the whereabouts of the missile and have to count on you after pulling the trigger. The goal is not moving. Therefore, mixing multiple uses may be a more sensible choice."

Deterrence China as the leader of the development of land-based guidance?

According to the article, some experts and analysts are reluctant to use the so-called "quick strike weapon" as an effective deterrent. Retired submarine commander and strategy and budget assessment center analyst Brian Clarke said that using hypersonic weapons to prevent other countries from using hypersonic weapons is a symmetrical thinking, which means that the United States will actually use hypersonic weapons to attack rivals. As a response to the attack or possible attack of the aircraft carrier. "Beat the homeland of a large nuclear-weapon state to retaliate against its attacks on US naval vessels. This may be an action against Iran or North Korea, but will it be done against big countries such as China? Is the opponent really like us? There is doubt as to doing it, because the question will become: 'Do we really want to make tit-for-tat revenge against the US domestic target?' I feel that they believe this threat is not credible. Therefore, as a deterrent, its value is less ""

The report said that dealing with any potential conflict with China is a serious problem. During the Cold War, the United States tried to avoid conflicts that triggered nuclear disasters. When the Soviet Union invaded Afghanistan, the United States trained Afghan combatants and provided them with weapons. However, due to the risk of escalating operations with another nuclear power, the United States did not directly fight the Soviets. According to the report, this kind of variable is still playing a role. If there is any conflict with China, the goal should be to localize the conflict and gradually downgrade, instead of launching the Doomsday missile war in the Pacific.

The Brookings Institution researcher Michael O'Hanlon believes that it is more important to stop high-end battles or keep any small-scale conflicts at their original level and end them. To achieve this goal, the aircraft carrier may be more meaningful.

The Defense News said that despite this, if the United States seeks a conventional means of dealing with conventional missile attacks in China, deploying hypersonic weapons in the Pacific should be a priority. But this will not be as influential as Griffin thinks. Clark said, "Even if the United States has a hypersonic weapon, there is no guarantee that it will kill, and we can't deploy a lot of such remote boost gliding systems."
 

mudhatter

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A lot of pentagon propaganda aside, the yankee navy has never fought and conquered a country ten times its population, ever, in its history.

I am not sold about american military machinery.

If they can defeat and conquer tiongs russkies norkies iran turkey and ah nehs simultaneously, then some of this hype may be warranted.

apart from that, sounds more like an ang moh version of ah neh got phoenix, got tiger stories.

little achievements, lots of rhetoric.

speaking of which, when was the last time AEGIS combat system was battle proven?

never?

yeah i guess so.

:laugh:
 

LaoTze

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Murican got jammers?
And only Muricans got fucking jammers?

China got jammer jammers . In March or so this year, China got dulan and did a test of China jammers.
Blinding and neutralising all the fucking electronics and jammers on Murican ships in South China Sea.

'Muricans all kardan karpor dunno what the fuck to do other than to make a wimpy complain China should not use Chinese jammers when 'Muricans want to kick sand into the face of China in fucking phony FONOPs done in China's waters.

And what the fuck of their 'Murican AEGIS?





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And as demonstrated so clearly in KSA a few days ago, the Aegis defending Saudi a joke as the Aegis and Patriot cannot even detect a few sub Mach cruise missiles not to talk of taking them down. Even to now, no one sure where those came from and who flown them. Despite overlapping coverage of those Patriot and Aegis systems.

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Any flights of those sub Mach missiles well within the detection zones which overlap.
And the USA and Saudi no fucking clue as to where the missiles came from and even if it flown there at all other than the BANGS AND KABOOMS they left at end of the flights.



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Even to now, no one sure where those came from and who flown them.


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Despite overlapping coverage of those Patriot and Aegis systems.
Despite overlapping coverage of those Patriot and Aegis systems.
Despite overlapping coverage of those Patriot and Aegis systems.



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