PAP killing elderly with Pfizer vaccine

[LITTLEREDDOT]

Sit back and wait for the death count, furore and lawsuits.

23 Elderly Die After Getting Pfizer Shots, Norway Says Vaccine May Be Too Risky For Old People

Gursharan Bhalla

16 JAN 2021

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After the news broke that 23 elderly patients died in Norway soon after their immunization with the Pfizer-BioNTech mRNA vaccine against Covid-19, the country has launched a detailed investigation into the reported fatalities that has shocked the world.

Doctors in Norway have been asked to conduct more thorough evaluations of very frail elderly patients in line to receive the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine, following the reported deaths, the prestigious British Medical Journal (BMJ) reported late Friday.\

Vaccine maybe too risky for old, terminally ill

Meanwhile, Norway has said that Covid-19 vaccines may be too risky for the very old and terminally ill, the most cautious statement yet from a European health authority as countries assess the real-world side effects of the first shots to gain approval.

Of those 23 deaths, 13 have been autopsied, with the results suggesting that common side effects may have contributed to severe reactions in frail, elderly people, according to the Norwegian Medicines Agency.

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Two Covid-19 vaccines, Comirnaty, from BioNTech/Pfizer and Moderna, are being used in Norway. Though both Covid-19 vaccines approved so far in Europe were tested in tens of thousands of people -- including volunteers in their late 80s and 90s -- the average trial participant was in his or her early 50s. The first people to be immunized in many places have been older than that as countries rush to inoculate nursing-home residents at high risk from the virus.

"For those with the most severe frailty, even relatively mild vaccine side effects can have serious consequences," the Norwegian Institute of Public Health said. "For those who have a very short remaining life span anyway, the benefit of the vaccine may be marginal or irrelevant."

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Norway warns its people against risks

The recommendation does not mean younger, healthier people should avoid being vaccinated. But it's an early indication of what to watch as countries begin to issue safety monitoring reports on the vaccines. Emer Cooke, the new head of the European Medicines Agency, has said tracking the safety of Covid vaccines, especially those relying on novel technologies such as messenger RNA, would be one of the biggest challenges once shots are rolled out widely.

In a statement, Pfizer said: "Pfizer and BioNTech are aware of reported deaths following administration of BNT162b2. We are working with NOMA to gather all the relevant information.

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"All reported deaths will be thoroughly evaluated by NOMA to determine if these incidents are related to the vaccine. The Norwegian government will also consider adjusting their vaccination instructions to take the patients' health into more consideration."

More than 20,000 doses of the vaccine have been administered over the past few weeks in Norway and around 400 deaths normally occur among care home residents every week, reports the BMJ. The Paul Ehrlich Institute in Germany is also investigating 10 deaths shortly after Covid-19 vaccination.

 

[Cottonmouth]

Maybe Lanjiao Loong will die first?
He's no spring onion either.

 

[laksaboy]

Is he an elderly too?

 

[blackmondy]

Kill elderly so no need pay SeePeeF.

 

[dredd]

Why is he wearing WP colour shirt?

 

[Rogue Trader]

There is a death rate for vaccination and another one fit covid19. Have to compare both to know which way to go. The drug companies have hijacked the situation

 

[laksaboy]

Maybe it's safer to follow up a Pfizer jab with a Sinovac jab.

Poison fight poison means no more poison.

 

[mojito]

Maybe it's safer to follow up a Pfizer jab with a Sinovac jab.

Poison fight poison means no more poison.

Cancel no protection how?

 

[micromachine]

Sit back and wait for the death count, furore and lawsuits.

23 Elderly Die After Getting Pfizer Shots, Norway Says Vaccine May Be Too Risky For Old People

Gursharan Bhalla

16 JAN 2021
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© Provided by Indiatimes
After the news broke that 23 elderly patients died in Norway soon after their immunization with the Pfizer-BioNTech mRNA vaccine against Covid-19, the country has launched a detailed investigation into the reported fatalities that has shocked the world.

Doctors in Norway have been asked to conduct more thorough evaluations of very frail elderly patients in line to receive the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine, following the reported deaths, the prestigious British Medical Journal (BMJ) reported late Friday.\

Vaccine maybe too risky for old, terminally ill

Meanwhile, Norway has said that Covid-19 vaccines may be too risky for the very old and terminally ill, the most cautious statement yet from a European health authority as countries assess the real-world side effects of the first shots to gain approval.

Of those 23 deaths, 13 have been autopsied, with the results suggesting that common side effects may have contributed to severe reactions in frail, elderly people, according to the Norwegian Medicines Agency.

© Provided by Indiatimes File
Two Covid-19 vaccines, Comirnaty, from BioNTech/Pfizer and Moderna, are being used in Norway. Though both Covid-19 vaccines approved so far in Europe were tested in tens of thousands of people -- including volunteers in their late 80s and 90s -- the average trial participant was in his or her early 50s. The first people to be immunized in many places have been older than that as countries rush to inoculate nursing-home residents at high risk from the virus.

"For those with the most severe frailty, even relatively mild vaccine side effects can have serious consequences," the Norwegian Institute of Public Health said. "For those who have a very short remaining life span anyway, the benefit of the vaccine may be marginal or irrelevant."

© Provided by Indiatimes File

Norway warns its people against risks

The recommendation does not mean younger, healthier people should avoid being vaccinated. But it's an early indication of what to watch as countries begin to issue safety monitoring reports on the vaccines. Emer Cooke, the new head of the European Medicines Agency, has said tracking the safety of Covid vaccines, especially those relying on novel technologies such as messenger RNA, would be one of the biggest challenges once shots are rolled out widely.

In a statement, Pfizer said: "Pfizer and BioNTech are aware of reported deaths following administration of BNT162b2. We are working with NOMA to gather all the relevant information.

@ Provided by Indiatimes AP

"All reported deaths will be thoroughly evaluated by NOMA to determine if these incidents are related to the vaccine. The Norwegian government will also consider adjusting their vaccination instructions to take the patients' health into more consideration."

More than 20,000 doses of the vaccine have been administered over the past few weeks in Norway and around 400 deaths normally occur among care home residents every week, reports the BMJ. The Paul Ehrlich Institute in Germany is also investigating 10 deaths shortly after Covid-19 vaccination.

TS your thread title can get you into serious trouble, I suggest you amend it.

 

[laksaboy]

TS your thread title can get you into serious trouble, I suggest you amend it.

Serious trouble from who? Which cunt?

 

[micromachine]

you know I know everyone knows.

 

[mojito]

TS your thread title can get you into serious trouble, I suggest you amend it.

Suggest u take a hike pappy!

 

[tanwahtiu]

Rather is a pre-empt if they go ahead w inject old people they kill them.

Felony for PAP if they dont withdraw...

TS your thread title can get you into serious trouble, I suggest you amend it.

 

[knnccb]

haiz why vikings so weak can die so easily

 

[syed putra]

For S$ 50 for two doses, a lot cheaper than caring the elderly in icu with all kinds of ailments.

 

[Hypocrite-The]

Norway says no link between vaccine and post-jab deaths - The Online Citizen Asia

Norway said Monday no link had been established between Pfizer-BioNTech’s Covid-19 vaccine and post-vaccination deaths in the country, but recommended doctors consider the overall health of the most frail before giving them the jab.

Since the start of Norway’s vaccination campaign at the end of December, the country has registered 33 deaths among elderly people who have received their first dose, according to public health authorities.

Of the 13 cases analysed in detail so far, “they are people of advanced age, are frail and have serious illnesses, all of them,” the director of the Norwegian Institute of Public Health Camilla Stoltenberg told reporters.

“When it comes to causes there hasn’t been any analysis done yet,” she added.

“It is important to remember that on average about 45 people die every day at nursing homes in Norway, so it’s not given that this represents any excess mortality or that they are related to the vaccines,” she said.

After the reports of deaths, Norway has nonetheless stressed that doctors should individually consider whether patients who are frail or terminally ill should receive the vaccine, as is also recommended in some other countries.

“It’s not impossible that some of those who have gotten the vaccine are so frail that maybe you should have reconsidered and not given them the vaccine, because they are so sick that they might have become worse from the normal side effects as the body reacts and builds up immunity,” Stoltenberg said.

The Norwegian Medicines Agency said last week that normal side effects from messenger RNA vaccines, such as fever and nausea, “may have contributed to a fatal outcome in some frail patients.”

A number of countries, including Norway’s neighbours Denmark, Finland, Iceland and Sweden, have reported post-vaccination deaths but no direct links to the vaccine have been established.

Pfizer and BioNTech told AFP on Monday they were “working with the Norwegian Medicines Agency to gather all the relevant information”.

They recalled that Norway’s vaccination campaign started with the elderly living in care homes, “most of whom are very elderly with underlying medical conditions and some of which are terminally ill.”

More than 48,000 people have been vaccinated in Norway so far.

– AFP

 

[Leongsam]

When they die after a vaccine shot there's no link.

When they die after catching Covid it's because Covid is deadly.

 

[Scrooball (clone)]

TS your thread title can get you into serious trouble, I suggest you amend it.

This kind of thread title..... only the god level keyboard warriors dare to use. haha....

 

[Hypocrite-The]

Out of the thousands of injection....wat is the percentage of those that died?

Why Norway's reports of deaths in Pfizer vaccine recipients will help the TGA assess the drug
By national medical reporter Sophie Scott and the Specialist Reporting Team's Emily Clark

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The Australian Government is reviewing information from Pfizer to determine any impact on "vaccination of the frail".(Reuters: Andreas Gebert)
Reports out of Norway that up to 30 "frail patients" have died after receiving the Pfizer COVID-19 vaccine will ultimately help Australian health authorities determine the best way to safely administer the drug, experts say.

Key points:
Australian health authorities will use information about deaths in elderly Norwegian Pfizer vaccine recipients as part of their assessment of the drug
The Therapeutic Goods Administration has not yet approved the vaccine in Australia and will recommend how it should be administered
Experts say Australia is in an advantageous position, buying itself time to analyse the results and determine the best course of action
Norwegian health authorities sparked concerns when they announced "common adverse reactions" to the vaccine "may have contributed to a fatal outcome" among the elderly nursing home residents.

The Pfizer vaccine is yet to be approved by Australia's drug regulator, the Therapeutic Goods Administration (TGA).

A TGA approval would recommend how, or if, the Pfizer vaccine should be administered to Australians over the age of 85.

Epidemiologist Hassan Vally says "every single bit of information we can gather" will be factored into the evaluation of the medicine, and into Australia's vaccine strategy.

"It could be as simple as the fact that the more frail, older people may need to get a different vaccine that's a bit gentler, or there may be some alteration in the way the vaccines are administered," Dr Vally said.

"This is the advantage we have.

According to the TGA, the Government has now received information from Pfizer and is reviewing it "to determine any impact this may have on the vaccination of the frail aged in Australia".

Infectious disease expert from ANU, Professor Sanjaya Senanayake, said moving the very vulnerable group to the AstraZeneca vaccine was one option.

"One way around it, and hopefully we don't have to do it, if people over 85 in nursing homes were vulnerable to the effects of the vaccine, then you could use another vaccine — the AstraZeneca vaccine," he said.

"I would want to hear what the Norwegian authorities said, and if they find no association whatsoever, then there would be no need for that, but if they have some concern, then yes that would be something we would have to consider."

Professor Senanayake said it was important to wait for the TGA decision on the Pfizer vaccine.

"It is still unclear what happened in Norway, but it's more likely the deaths are due to chronic medical conditions rather than the vaccine itself," he said.

"Because our vaccine regulators are very careful and the Government has been very open, we should have faith in whatever advice comes out of our regulatory authorities."

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Norway news part of 'phase four results'
With low community transmission of COVID-19, experts said Australia had bought itself time to analyse what was happening in other countries using the Pfizer drug in mass vaccination programs.

The so-called "phase four results" will allow Australian health authorities to collect data about the vaccine after it has been deployed in the community to learn more about the best way to use it.

"We've already got millions of data points from the people that have received the Pfizer vaccine in the rollouts in the US, and other countries," Dr Vally said.

He said the development in Norway was important to consider, but the vaccine had already "been safely administered to millions of people".

"On the surface, it's not something you want to hear, but we have to look at the full picture and we have to understand some of the nuance of what has occurred and also what's happened around the world," Dr Vally said.

Professor Senanayake said there had not been a "disproportionate number of unexpected deaths in older people" in vaccination programs across the Northern Hemisphere.

"In Germany, they have given 800,000 vaccines so far [with] 10 deaths in ill, frail people," he said.

"German authorities said these were very unwell people, some in palliation [or end of life care]."

The Australian Government has asked Pfizer for more information about the German deaths.

'This is a very, very particular sub-group'
Older people were "well represented" in the Pfizer vaccine trials, according to Professor Senanayake.

"If you look at the phase three Pfizer data, we know that 41 per cent of participants were aged between 56 to 85 years old," he said.

"In the data they (Pfizer) released there wasn't a disproportionate number of deaths in the older age group."

The experts said it was important to look at the reports out of Norway "very scientifically".

"These aren't just vulnerable people, these are people who are over 80 years of age," Dr Vally said.

"They were incredibly frail and my understanding is that some of them had terminal illnesses ... this is a very, very particular sub-group."

Professor Senanayake said common side effects of the vaccine may have caused an "irreversible spiral" in the Norway patients.

"An older person, [who was] very infirm, who was teetering on the edge where their heart, lung or kidneys were not working very well, if they got very bad pain or nausea or very bad fatigue, that may be enough to just tip them over in an irreversible spiral downwards," he said.

"That's one possibility that authorities would be looking into, but in terms of the vaccine directly causing a heart attack or stroke, that would be unusual."

The experts said Australians should expect more reports from different countries already rolling out the vaccine, but that this is simply part of the process.

"As sad as it is that these people have died, from a broader population health perspective, we really just need to step back and understand as much as we can from this," Dr Vally said.

"Some very loud voices have been critical of the TGA for not having approved the vaccines already, saying we should have already started rolling them out.

"We have a bit of extra time and we can take on all of the information and we know how rigorous and how thorough the TGA is in terms of its regulatory process, so you can be assured all of this will be factored in."